Brant Gaede Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 41 minutes ago, BaalChatzaf said: The wrong man was hanged. It should have been Benedict Arnold and Peggy Shippen too, for good measure. The Brits didn't like Arnold much and tended to shun him in London. --Brant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George H. Smith Posted January 20, 2017 Author Share Posted January 20, 2017 Abolitionism: Wendell Phillips on Voting and Political Action Smith discusses the controversy over whether the U.S. Constitution is pro-slavery, as illustrated in the opposing views of two leading abolitionists: Wendell Phillips and Lysander Spooner. My Libertarianism.org Essay #230 has been posted. Ghs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George H. Smith Posted January 29, 2017 Author Share Posted January 29, 2017 Abolitionism: The Schism Over Voting Smith discusses the split in the American Anti-Slavery Society over voting, equal rights for women, and other causes. My Libertarianism.org Essay #231 has been posted. Ghs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George H. Smith Posted February 27, 2017 Author Share Posted February 27, 2017 My latest Excursions Essays, #233 and #234. https://www.libertarianism.org/columns/can-abolitionists-vote-or-take-office-under-united-states-constitution Can Abolitionists Vote or Take Office Under the United States Constitution? Smith discusses the arguments of Wendell Phillips that abolitionists should not vote or hold political office. https://www.libertarianism.org/columns/more-wendell-phillips-anti-political-abolitionism More on Wendell Phillips and Anti-Political Abolitionism Smith discusses the arguments of Wendell Phillips that abolitionists should not vote or hold political office. Ghs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George H. Smith Posted February 27, 2017 Author Share Posted February 27, 2017 I missed this one, #232. https://www.libertarianism.org/columns/abolitionism-violence-how-william-lloyd-garrison-was-almost-killed-mob-0 Abolitionism, Violence, and How William Lloyd Garrison was Almost Killed by a Mob Smith discusses the prevalence of violence against abolitionists during the 1830s, and how Wendell Phillips became an abolitionist. Ghs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Boy--what I didn't know! --Brant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George H. Smith Posted March 24, 2017 Author Share Posted March 24, 2017 Abolitionism and Modern Voluntaryism Smith discusses some similarities between the anti-political abolitionists and contemporary voluntaryists. My Libertarianism.org Essay 235 has been posted. Ghs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George H. Smith Posted April 5, 2017 Author Share Posted April 5, 2017 Anarchism Versus Limited Government Abolitionism Smith discusses how William Lloyd Garrison and Wendell Phillips differed in their approaches to non-voting. My Libertarianism.org Essay #236 has been posted. Ghs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George H. Smith Posted April 8, 2017 Author Share Posted April 8, 2017 Final Comments on Wendell Phillips and Non-Voting Smith concludes his discussion of the no-voting theory of Wendell Phillips by explaining Phillips’s attitude toward taxes and the limits of democracy. My Libertarianism.org Essay #237 has been posted. Ghs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 17 minutes ago, George H. Smith said: Final Comments on Wendell Phillips and Non-Voting Ghs From the article: ************************** But his theory of voting has broader implications. Consider what Phillips said in response to some other objections to his no-voting doctrine. Governments cannot claim any special moral rights or duties over those possessed by individuals. “Government is only an association of individuals,” he declared. Vices cannot be transformed into virtues by “the magic wand of government.” The “same rules of morality” that govern the conduct of individuals should also govern the conduct of governments. A government is merely a combination of men, and “a combination of men cannot change the moral character of an act, which is in itself sinful.” The “law of morals is binding the same on communities, corporations, &c. as on individuals ************************************************ If enough of the individuals that constitute the government decree that an act X is punishable then doing X will bring punishment. The morality or non-morality of X has nothing (in this case) to do with the actual real world results that follow from performing X. The morality of X is doxa, opinion. The judgement "X is moral" does not following logically from any physical law describing the universe nor is it logically necessary. The proposition X is legal (or not legal) can be empirically, objectively determined. Just look at the statues. The proposition that X is moral cannot be empirically or objectively determine nor can be it be objectively or empirically falsified. Morality is opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 4 hours ago, BaalChatzaf said: From the article: ************************** But his theory of voting has broader implications. Consider what Phillips said in response to some other objections to his no-voting doctrine. Governments cannot claim any special moral rights or duties over those possessed by individuals. “Government is only an association of individuals,” he declared. Vices cannot be transformed into virtues by “the magic wand of government.” The “same rules of morality” that govern the conduct of individuals should also govern the conduct of governments. A government is merely a combination of men, and “a combination of men cannot change the moral character of an act, which is in itself sinful.” The “law of morals is binding the same on communities, corporations, &c. as on individuals ************************************************ If enough of the individuals that constitute the government decree that an act X is punishable then doing X will bring punishment. The morality or non-morality of X has nothing (in this case) to do with the actual real world results that follow from performing X. The morality of X is doxa, opinion. The judgement "X is moral" does not following logically from any physical law describing the universe nor is it logically necessary. The proposition X is legal (or not legal) can be empirically, objectively determined. Just look at the statues. The proposition that X is moral cannot be empirically or objectively determine nor can be it be objectively or empirically falsified. Morality is opinion. And what is your moral opinion about ____________________? And why do these individuals "decree"? You're looking up and seeing sky from a position of legality. You fail to look down. You are really claiming there is no down down there. --Brant or a human beings moral sentiments can't be objectified; if so individual rights cannot be either; you lecture about human nature when half of yours doesn't exist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 10 minutes ago, Brant Gaede said: And what is your moral opinion about ____________________? And why do these individuals "decree"? You're looking up and seeing sky from a position of legality. You fail to look down. You are really claiming there is no down down there. --Brant Those with the guns decree especially if their victims do not resist. I pay attention to facts and logic far more than to beliefs and opinions. What is "down there" is the ground. What do you think is "down there"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 16 minutes ago, BaalChatzaf said: Those with the guns decree especially if their victims do not resist. I pay attention to facts and logic far more than to beliefs and opinions. What is "down there" is the ground. What do you think is "down there"? Government based on individual rights displaces governments based on their violation. We say "by and large" for there cannot be a government that won't in some way violate rights and even totalitarian ones leave some freedom of action, however small (assuming they don't kill the subjects). You don't have access to these facts leaving your facts and logic a canoe without a paddle or, I'd guess, a paddle without a canoe for you do paddle, incessantly. It's moral--pro-human life--not to violate rights or have your rights violated so you can live a happy and productive existence through your best judgments and efforts. --Brant in a world of rights and wrongs Bob cannot even sing one song Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Brant Gaede said: in a world of rights and wrongs Bob cannot even sing one song I don't do right / wrong. I do correct / incorrect and logical / illogical and true/ false. Right / Wrong in the ethical sense is doxa and cannot be determined by empirical means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 2 hours ago, BaalChatzaf said: I don't do right / wrong. I do correct / incorrect and logical / illogical and true/ false. Right / Wrong in the ethical sense is doxa and cannot be determined by empirical means. Yep, Hume went overboard too. Pure empiricism is doxa. --Brant on stilts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 9 hours ago, Brant Gaede said: Yep, Hume went overboard too. Pure empiricism is doxa. --Brant on stilts But impure empiricism created the modern world as we know it. Empiricism cannot be pure. A mental or intellectual process is required to integrate the facts that are supplied empirically. The pure empiricism you flog simply does not exist. Theories and hypotheses are derived from facts. They require thinking. If there were no sentient beings with a highly developed ability to abstract, there would be facts but no theories. Theories do not leap from piles of fact like frogs leap off lily pads. They do not emerge into the world like Athena from the Head of Zeus fully clothed. They have to be created by thought. It is a creative processes. Einstein said "Theories are creations of the human mind". I am not so sure about the mind part, but I agree that theories don't happen until people think them up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Ba’al maintains, “Right / Wrong in the ethical sense is doxa and cannot be determined by empirical means.” A philosophy based on trial, error, learning by the errors (sometimes called *history,*) reason and science, can result in the formulation of a strategy of survival that is logically, ethical and evolutionarily, correct. If you do the right thing you survive. Do the right things and your family survives and in a larger sense your community survives. So, if survival, the carrying on of your genes, fun, entertainment, and companionship are goals then Objectivism makes perfect sense. It cannot predict with certainty in a chaotic world but it is a good tool. The process begins when you don't roll off the couch a second time, as a baby. If you were not entertained or educated, even the supposedly emotionally muted individual would be incommunicado, and not participating on this forum. Ba’al wrote: Einstein said "Theories are creations of the human mind". I am not so sure about the mind part, but I agree that theories don't happen until people think them up. end quote Sorry, Charley. Nothing cannot create something . . . so if it was not a mind and a person who thought the quote up, was it a squid? Tell us what a person is. Did I change anyone’s mind or are they moving to a more sparsely occupied area of earth? Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Peter said: Ba’al maintains, “Right / Wrong in the ethical sense is doxa and cannot be determined by empirical means.” A philosophy based on trial, error, learning by the errors (sometimes called *history,*) reason and science, can result in the formulation of a strategy of survival that is logically, ethical and evolutionarily, correct. If you do the right thing you survive. Do the right things and your family survives and in a larger sense your community survives. So, if survival, the carrying on of your genes, fun, entertainment, and companionship are goals then Objectivism makes perfect sense. It cannot predict with certainty in a chaotic world but it is a good tool. The process begins when you don't roll off the couch a second time, as a baby. If you were not entertained or educated, even the supposedly emotionally muted individual would be incommunicado, and not participating on this forum. Ba’al wrote: Einstein said "Theories are creations of the human mind". I am not so sure about the mind part, but I agree that theories don't happen until people think them up. end quote Sorry, Charley. Nothing cannot create something . . . so if it was not a mind and a person who thought the quote up, was it a squid? Tell us what a person is. Did I change anyone’s mind or are they moving to a more sparsely occupied area of earth? Peter Brains create theories. Brains are not Nothing. Brains are Everything in the thinking department. No thought has ever come into existence except as some action of someone' s brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George H. Smith Posted April 21, 2017 Author Share Posted April 21, 2017 Gerrit Smith, Lysander Spooner, and Dio Lewis on Prohibition Smith discusses Gerrit Smith’s arguments for prohibition and the reply by Lysander Spooner, as published in a book by Dio Lewis, Prohibition: A Failure. My Libertarianism.org Essay #140 has been posted. Ghs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George H. Smith Posted May 1, 2017 Author Share Posted May 1, 2017 Dio Lewis on Lysander Spooner and Prohibition Smith discusses Lewis’s rare insights on Spooner’s personal life, and his libertarian case against prohibition. My Libertarianism.org Essay #241 was posted on Friday. Ghs Excerpt In his obituary of Lysander Spooner (Liberty, May 28, 1887) the anarchist Benjamin R. Tucker wrote: He died at one o’clock in the afternoon of Saturday, May 14, in his little room at 109 Myrtle Street [Boston], surrounded by trunks and chests bursting with the books, manuscripts, and pamphlets which he had gathered about him in his active pamphleteer’s warfare over half a century long. The trunks and chests mentioned here ended up in Tucker’s warehouse, which also housed his printing press and stock. Tragically, the warehouse burned down in 1908 and destroyed everything inside. Tucker was unable to recover financially, so the fire ended the publication of Liberty, which was the cornerstone of the radical individualist-libertarian movement in America. Equally as tragic was the loss of Spooner’s collection of unpublished manuscripts, correspondence, and other personal material. Without this material it has been impossible to write a detailed biography of Spooner. We know little about his personal life and preferences, but some information was provided by Dio Lewis (1823-1886), Spooner’s friend and personal physician in later life. Dio Lewis was a homeopathic physician who stressed the importance of exercise, sunlight, proper diet and other natural factors in the prevention and cure of diseases. In his many books—including New Gymnastics, Our Digestion, Weak Lungs, Chastity—we find a fair amount of sound advice sprinkled with only a minimal amount of quackery, at least by nineteenth-century standards. The relevant book for our purpose is Talks About People's Stomachs, published in 1870. Here we find two discussions of Lysander Spooner. Although these passages have nothing to do with Spooner’s political views, I have never seen them quoted or cited in any published discussion of Spooner, so I hereby quote them for their historical interest alone.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted September 12, 2017 Share Posted September 12, 2017 On 4/30/2017 at 6:38 PM, George H. Smith said: Dio Lewis on Lysander Spooner and Prohibition Smith discusses Lewis’s rare insights on Spooner’s personal life, and his libertarian case against prohibition. My Libertarianism.org Essay #241 was posted on Friday. Ghs Excerpt In his obituary of Lysander Spooner (Liberty, May 28, 1887) the anarchist Benjamin R. Tucker wrote: He died at one o’clock in the afternoon of Saturday, May 14, in his little room at 109 Myrtle Street [Boston], surrounded by trunks and chests bursting with the books, manuscripts, and pamphlets which he had gathered about him in his active pamphleteer’s warfare over half a century long. The trunks and chests mentioned here ended up in Tucker’s warehouse, which also housed his printing press and stock. Tragically, the warehouse burned down in 1908 and destroyed everything inside. Tucker was unable to recover financially, so the fire ended the publication of Liberty, which was the cornerstone of the radical individualist-libertarian movement in America. Equally as tragic was the loss of Spooner’s collection of unpublished manuscripts, correspondence, and other personal material. Without this material it has been impossible to write a detailed biography of Spooner. We know little about his personal life and preferences, but some information was provided by Dio Lewis (1823-1886), Spooner’s friend and personal physician in later life. Dio Lewis was a homeopathic physician who stressed the importance of exercise, sunlight, proper diet and other natural factors in the prevention and cure of diseases. In his many books—including New Gymnastics, Our Digestion, Weak Lungs, Chastity—we find a fair amount of sound advice sprinkled with only a minimal amount of quackery, at least by nineteenth-century standards. The relevant book for our purpose is Talks About People's Stomachs, published in 1870. Here we find two discussions of Lysander Spooner. Although these passages have nothing to do with Spooner’s political views, I have never seen them quoted or cited in any published discussion of Spooner, so I hereby quote them for their historical interest alone.... Unfortunately, for whatever reason, George stopped putting up his essays here, but he's still writing them. It's very hard to find a listing of them. I thought OL was a very good place to go to find them. I suspect it's due to a glitch. --Brant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algernonsidney Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 Did George every write or say anything about all this corona silliness anywhere? I honestly can't see George believing in any of this nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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