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Rich, it looks like you've given my cock eyed friend Gary some competition. I like the pix you sent. Are those the new brazilian cut speedos you got on?? //;-))

Laughing so hard......where the hell are you planning to shack us up at, Montana? Remember, we go dutch, my dear !!

Mr. Tightwad, you can't be too tight if you're willing to fly anywhere for a decent booty call !!

You can't forget the whipped cream and honey for -- oh, wait, that's for our other dirty little deed. ;) But we can't forget to put shaving cream on the other hand and tickle his nose as well.

So you like my cat suit. If you like that one, I have a French maid and a very sexy and sultry pirate wench outfit that's very eye pleasing !!

Okay, we so have to stop this because this is so going to get out of hand and tummy hurts so bad from laughing so much. So shame on us but it's so much fun. :D/

Rich, check your email

So yuck to that one...just the thought of the whining and squealing and snorting sounds and food flyin' everywhere. Just the visual on that is making me want to blow chunks. Disgusting. And on top of it, I've seen pix of him so it makes the visual even more disturbing.

Can't stop laughing right now. I just looked back up and started reading the first sentence and my mindset is towards the dirty deed right now and I just can't stop laughing, you know, whining, snorting, food flyin' everywhere....oh, that's too much. I would hate to see that one...that would be pretty scary, whining and snorting and food flyin' But can't stop laughing. Wow

Yeah, I know, I have a weird sense of humor.

Damn, Rich, you just had to go and spill our little secret. Hush, Hush :-$

Screw the drive-in, mile high club is looking pretty damn tasty about now, oh, so much fun.....Woohooo !! Shit, Rich, if you're willing to fly anywhere, does that mean my booty is pretty damn decent ?? Although, you and a few others actually have seen what I look like. Yes, all, I sent pictures but not of my booty of course !! ;-) LMAO.

Come on now, Rich, no need to cancel that flight. We've been plannin' this for a while now. It's all set up, no need to spoil the fun now because our little hush hush private talks are now out in the open !!

Now, now, Boys, if that nudge, nudge, wink, wink not fond of cricket but likes hockey was in reference to me and Rich being nudge, nudge, wink, wink, let's get it on type deal, I will assure you it is not. We are turning into good friends and have been talking through email for many months now and have shared much between friends. You know, guys and gals can have a wonderful relationship without gettin' the groove on.

Although my cock eyed friend Gary is lookin' mighty fine these days....as Kat says, gals that slip on banana peels have a tendency to go for the guys with the big weenies !! Woohoo...bring it on, Baby !! Hey, my cock eyed friend, nudge, nudge wink, wink !! Just kidding.....LOL I'm so rude, pardon if I offended anyone with my vulgarities.

Although, women do have a tendency to calm men down. But I will assure you it's not me that has done this to my little friend.

Angie

My cock eyed friend, you're too much. I can't stop laughing. You are such a smart ass, unique style. I guess one of my posts was kinda fiery, you think? Yes, it rubbed me the wrong way. I don't get pissed off often. I'm pretty laid back. But when I do, I'll definitely let them know. I'm glad you like reading my long rambling posts even though you sometimes have to wear an asbestos suit to get through it....LOL Yes, I can be long winded, just have lots to say. I'm glad you weren't butt naked when reading my fiery post because I'm sure the precious jewel and 2 kids would have gotten toasted. And we don't want that to happen now do we...LOL

Your fire breathing dragon

Angie

Jody and Rich, come on now, you know I'm just playin' with you guys. You boys can rough house all you want with all the profanity you feel you need because we all know I have a trucker's mouth on me sometimes too. Have at it and let the rough housing begin. LOL

I so need to start addressing these posts to the individuals that they are for. Of course, I did it again. First time I posted I didn't address it to anyone thinking you guys would know who it was for. But came back and addressed it to the two of you and changed it around a bit.

Now, Now, kids, let's play nice....LOL Two of my favorite buds on this forum. We all have our own ways of life. What one thinks is good for him may not be good for the other.

Hi, Paul.

For me, I do not tolerate insults, disrespect, ill will towards me in the least bit. I was not going to respond earlier and was going to just let things cool off a bit. But when I came back and was going to respond, I still saw additional attacks and insults and that is what prompted my last post. I do not tolerate this type of behavior well by others. In my dealings with Nick so far, there has been no disrespect, insults thrown, etc., on my part. When it was directed at me, it truly caught me offgaurd and I was surprised a bit. I have sent Nick private messages through this forum asking for clarification on one of his posts that "seemed" to be related to one of mine but obviously was not. I told Nick that I had been reading his posts since he came to this forum and I found them interesting. They were a little bit long in the beginning but they have shortened up quite a bit. I told Nick to keep posting. He then extended me an invitation to visit his message board which I have not done. I barely have enough time to post to this forum let alone other ones.

I do not mind having dealings with Nick just as long as there is no disrespect, insults thrown, etc., and we both respect each other's point of view, our own experiences, our backgrounds, the roads we have walked to get to where we are today. As I said, I do not tolerate name calling in the least bit. Once Nick gets to know me better, then he can pass whatever judgment he wants on me. That's his opinion of me. In the dealings I have had with Nick so far, he has been very respectful towards me and friendly. I do not mind moving past this. But as I said, I do not tolerate disrespect and name calling in the least bit. I am sure it will not happen again since this whole fiasco has finally come to a head.

Angie

Rich, maybe you can answer a question for me. We have been talking for quite a few months now privately. I am well aware of the different religions and interpretations of it. You have told me quite a bit, especially about yours which has been quite interesting to learn about. I don't have a problem with this. We all have our own way of life and what we think is best for ourselves. We have shared quite a bit with each other over these past few months. Yes, I do admit that I came to harsh conclusions about religion very early on. Even though I had a very brief stint with it, I knew enough about it from watching others, etc., to know it was not for me and that it gave me the heebie jeebies and that it was bad. Remember I was extremely young at this age. I just didn't like the idea of praying to something you couldn't see, etc. Just as you have said that people who have had bad experiences with it, typically get a knee jerk reaction when presented with it. When we first started talking about this, I had no reaction of that sort. I have not been exposed to it so I have never developed a belief in it at all. But I do know that it is not for me. I know enough of it already to make that determination. You do not have to read the bible or what have you to make that determination.

I find it very interesting when I talk with people that are into religion, not you, but others, etc., that when I tell them I have almost nill exposure to it, didn't even know who Mary was and that I have no desire to engage it they become very defensive. To me, it almost seems as a threat to them that there are people out there that truly do not know about religion but these people are still surviving and flourishing and are happy.

Since you are into religion and I know about your religion already and don't have a problem with it, why is it people get such a knee jerk reaction and seem threatened or defensive by it when I say I don't know anyhing about it?

I have my opinions but just wanting a perspective from someone that is religious and practices it.

Angie

And also, I'm not into art and never have been. I love museums, etc., but not much of an art buff. You know I love music but do not listen to Christian Rock, etc. You know, I am definitely a rock and roll fan amongst many other genres. But I'm also not a musician. I also enjoy reading when I can get the time but have never had a problem understanding it if there are some religious aspects to it or a few words brought up here and there, etc. So even if the religious influence is there as it is in society as a whole anyway, it's not a detriment to understanding your surroundings, your readings, etc.

Nick, I am not trying to be a bitch but do not assume that I am afraid of reading material that may challenge my view or my beliefs. I have read many many things that goes against my beliefs and I am around people everyday that do not see life as I see it or that do not have the same beliefs that I do and I don't have a problem with it. For one, I did not appreciate your distorting my post in the least bit and put your spin onto it, reminded me of some of the things that have happened on SOLO. There's a huge difference, Nick, between insulting someone such as you did with me and Paul by telling us we follow blindly and never thinking to walking on egg shells. This is not being open and at ease. This is downright disrespectful. When you make comments like that, you better believe you will feel the ramifications for it and we will not sit there and say, Oh, yes, Nick, I so agree with you; I don't ever think; I do not question anything and follow blindly; I'm so afraid of hearing or reading something that may conflict with my beliefs. What you said was rude and disrespectful to both me and Paul and to the others on this forum. It was obvious to me the way you responded and later admitted it bothered you when I said I had never read the bible and I was grateful for it that you took this extremely personal. It showed in the way you responded and it was a definite knee jerk reaction and you resorted to character assassination. I have already stated the reasons why I reject religion.

I find it very interesting that I get such a knee jerk reaction from people that believe in religion when I tell them I have never been exposed to it. That there truly are humans walking this earth that know nothing about it but are surviving and flourishing without it. Your post did not prompt me to not read the bible. That was a decision I made a very long time ago. I have already stated the reasons why I reject religion and you do not have to read the bible in order to reject it. I have learned enough about it to know it is not for me.

I find it interesting that I get that response from people when I tell them I have no knowledge of it. I believe that the reason I get such a bad reaction from people is that most people out there have been exposed to it to some degree or another. They have formed some type of belief in it at one point or another. I have never formed the belief in a god and I think that threatens them to some degree. That religion truly is not a necessary part of a human being's life in order to survive and flourish and be happy.

You do not know the road I have walked to get to where I am at today. You have not seen what I have seen. You have not gone through the things I have gone through. I will tell you this it is some very heavy shit and not for the faint of heart. I cannot deny my mind. I cannot deny what I have seen with my own 2 eyes. I cannot put faith into a being I cannot see and that will not help me, will not bring me the things I want in life, that will not make my life what I want it to be. The romance to me seems a little one sided.

As I said, I do not have a problem hearing other people's points of view or beliefs that conflict with mine. I live around it everyday. BUT I do not push my way of life onto them as they shouldn't push their way of life onto me. I do not have a fragile ego. That is another insult to me. You do not know me in the least bit and do not jump to conclusions and make your assumptions about my ego or how I am as a person or that I am afraid to read something that does not coincide with my beliefs. You again are jumping the gun and passing your judgment without knowing me personally. This is very childish. Do you see me posting about how I think you are and that you follow blindly, you don't think, that you have a fragile ego, and that you are culturally an idiot, and so on? No. I have not been doing this but you have resorted to this and it speaks volumes to me on how you are. All I have been doing is defending myself from your attacks. And quite frankly, your posts are evidence enough of how you are. They speak for themselves.

I do not appreciate the continued attacks and I think it is very childish to say the least. I am sure I will be bashed over the head by you for this at some point or another. I truly do not appreciate the things you have said about me without even knowing who I am, my past, my mind, etc. This will be my last post to you. I will not waste my time and energy defending myself against a person that results to name calling and insults those around them that do not agree with you. This was evidence enough when me and Paul stated we were not familiar with religion and one had already rejected it (myself) and you took it extremely personal. When I told you I had no desire to engage in religion and Paul also had very little knowledge of it, you resorted to disrespecting us and throwing insults. Our views are quite different than yours and you became upset. Who is the one that has the problem hearing another person's point of view that conflicts with yours? It is only obvious what the answer is. YOU.

Angie

Paul, we both defended ourselves. Although I was caught offguard a bit and could have worded it a lot better and a lot harsher but I think I got my point across I hope. I'm a bit surprised myself. Yes, it is futile and not our responsibility to change someone else's point of view.

But thank you for considering my defense.

Angie

Thank you, Jody, My nose is finely tuned for SHIT, big heeping steaming piles of it and always turn my nose up and away when I smell SHIT....LOL

That just really rubbed me the wrong way. Independent conclusions, that's where it is at and always will be, not in what you find in a book or what AR tells you. Use the power of your own mind to draw your own conclusions. Surprised that I was told that I accept AR blindly and what she writes about without question. WOW, how wrong he is on that one and you know it as well as I do.

Thank you, Jody

Paul, I so agree with you...should I respond, should I respond, should I respond....DEFINITELY NOT

That majorily rubbed me the wrong way

Wow, for one, Nick, do not ever say that I came to these conclusions based on reading the works of Ayn Rand or any other book looking for answers. I will have you know these conclusions I have come to were based on my own observations, my own conclusions. For the most part, they all line up exactly with Ayn Rand's. I do not look for answers based on what other people tell me or what I may find in a book. I look for answers that come from my own background, my own life, and my own mind. I do not search in books looking for someone else to give me answers. That is one of the biggest problems I have with people that bury themselves in books trying to find answers they will never find as to why they do what they do. The only person that can tell them why they do what they do is themselves.

My point being is that so many people say that religion is so heavy in a human being's life. They believe that we are all born into religion. I so emphatically disagree with this. I am walking proof that human beings do not need a form of religion to guide their lives. I do not believe in putting hope into a being that I cannot even see with my own two eyes. I do not put hope in a being that supposedly will take care of me, that will give me the answers. The only being that can give me answers as to why I do what I do and can take care of me and give me hope is MYSELF and not some god that someone wrote about or what Ayn Rand has written about. We are all individuals and we all have our own reasons as to why we do what we do. And I question everything that I do and always have. I do not accept something blindly and just go along with it.

The question that should be asked is How many Independent conclusions have you drawn on your own? Independent meaning, your own conclusions, your own knowledge, your own observations.

How can you truly own your mind when you are constantly looking for answers in a book or what Ayn Rand has said or the institution you believe in? You can't. That book owns a piece of your mind, Ayn Rand owns a piece of your mind, the institution owns a piece of your mind. I do not know you. You do not know my past. I have been an O'ist for the past 17 or so years. I came to the same conclusions that Ayn Rand has and to an extent NB has very early on on my own. There are a few at this forum that know the details of my past and what had happened and why and how I came to those conclusions and integrated them into my life.

After telling a good friend about 5 years ago about my past, my own conclusions, my own beliefs that I had formed, he then told me about Ayn Rand and asked me to read Atlas and then was asked to share my opinions with him which I did.

That just so rubs me the wrong way. Do not jump the gun on who I am and how I am as a person and be disprectful towards me by telling me that I read O'ist literature and accept it without question. I have read very little of Ayn Rand's works but I have come to the same conclusions she has ON MY OWN. I am heavily dependent on my own mind to give me answers. I do not depend on reading her books to give me answers as to why I do what I do and then accept it without question. Yes, I emphatically reject religion and have since I was very very young. My biggest problem with religion is that they believe in something they cannot see.

Do not jump the gun and start attacking people and their character without knowing them first. You do not pass judgment on a person unless you get to know them as an individual first and then you pass your judgment. Each person on this forum has their own beliefs, their own way of life, their own conclusions, what they will accept and won't accept. Some are heavy readers and others are not. I enjoy reading but I do not look to books to give me answers as to why I do what I do and I do not accept things blindly because Ayn Rand said so or some so-called god said so or whoever else. We all have our own reasons for doing what we do and why we do it. I cannot deny what I SAW with my own 2 eyes when I was very young. I cannot deny what I went through when I was so young and I definitely cannot deny the power of using my own mind to draw my own conclusions based on my own observations. Do not ever tell me that I accept blindly whatever I read.

Exactly what Paul said, if you want to discuss anything with me, show some respect for me as well as some respect for the others on this forum. But even then, I definitely do not like the way you handled that and so quickly jumped the gun and passed your judgment on the type of person I am and the type of person Paul is. You do not know either one of us. I most definitely did not appreciate that one bit.

Angie

Hi, Paul

I am so grateful I wasn't exposed to this stuff as a kid. I think sometimes, Did I ever form a belief in a God? Honestly, the more I think about it I can honestly say, No, I never formed that belief. In fact, I rejected it heavily when I was very young and never took a step in that direction. At that time, I sensed something was bad about it. Even the very few times I walked into a church, it majorily gave me the heebie jeebies and I pretty much stayed clear of it. I look back on my life and what I've been through and look at how much I've been exposed to it, which is practically nill, I can honestly say I never formed the belief. My exposure and knowledge of religion is very close to being zero. And I am so grateful for that. As I read more and more about religion on O'ist sites, I become even more grateful that I am pure in that sense.

Since I know very little about it, my biggest problem with the whole religious thing, then and now, was people that formed the "belief" of a being you could not see and that this being could help make your life better or that you could pray to him to get what you wanted, etc. For me and my realization is that it was up to ME, to put hope into MYSELF and no one else. The way I look at Hope and that whole issue is that Hope comes from within and nowhere else. After what I read in Nick's post, I am very very grateful I never formed a belief in it. I am so very grateful I was never exposed to it other than my 2 to 3 week stint which I didn't take it seriously and thought it was a joke and then what I've seen on O'ist sites and the little I've been learning. I've been told that different religions are not all about a mean angry guy in the sky type deal. But there are many different variations of it and so on. I don't know. Obviously there are many different variations and interpretations of it. What a way to be pulled in so many different directions. Even more grateful now I never formed a belief and never took a step in that direction.

I have a friend that is an O'ist himself but grew up in a very strict religious family. But at the age of 23 or so in med school, he finally rejected it with a vengence. He is not on forums, etc., but is involved in ARI, O'ism, etc. and this is what he wrote to me the other night about O'ists, etc, "balking with physics and the origins of the universe in ways that remind me of the christian literalists....and supporting Israel too much, a theocracy."

He has noticed the same thing as you have and Christianity or such type religion. We were talking about O'ists that follow so blindly amongst various other aspects of it, etc. And the above is part of what he has sent me in addition to other emails over the last few days or so. But he told me the same, parallels between O'ism and Christianity and this is coming from a man who has been involved with ARI for many years.

I can't talk about religion since I have no understanding of it, beliefs formed, knowledge, etc., and prefer to keep it that way. But I just wanted to post this to let you know that you're definitely not the only one that sees the parallel of O'ism and Christianity.

Angie

As always, edited for clarification, never fails with me and how I am. keeping it as real and as clear as possible.....LOL

Hi, Dennis.

My parents were definitely not O'ists but put a toe or two into religion. I had very very little exposure to it growing up. I had a big 2 or 3 week whopping stint into it and even then didn't take it seriously and thought it was a joke and was something other people chose to do. My parents were mormons. Well, I should say baptized as mormons and grew up in their own families practicing it but later rejected it and didn't push it onto me or my sister. I was never baptized so I guess I can say I am pure that way....LOL Since God was very rarely brought up in my home, my parents gave us a choice that if we wanted to pursue it when we got older, it would be our choice.

My sister pursued it when she was 16 I think and finally baptized and was hardcore into it for a period of time and then stopped. For me, at such a young age when asked if I was going to pursue it as my sister did and finally be baptized, etc., I said of all things, no, it's evil. LOL. The short period of 2 to 3 weeks where I actually did open up a bible, I never even read it. I was there to play so I actually found myself defacing it and drawing my artwork in the bible.

So I would say that I am fortunate and can truly say, I'm as pure as they come and I am one human who truly hasn't been touched by it. Even though religion is everywhere, there are people such as myself out there that have never been exposed to it, who never even knew who Mary was, etc. I know of someone named Jesus and a guy named -- see, shows how much I know of religion and the people involved. I can't even remember his name. The ten commandments guy, Moses. See, I knew I'd remember it. So religion has never been a part of my life and obviously is not something that is necessary for me to know about in order to sustain my life. I'm one of the very few and fortunate humans walking this earth who truly have never been touched by it. Believe it or not, I've learned more about religion on the O'ist sites than I have in my entire life. And quite frankly, since I was never exposed to it other than my 2 to 3 week stint as a child and what I've been exposed to on O'ist sites, I truly have no desire/want to pursue any knowledge into it. I've managed to stay clear of it this long and plan on keeping it that way.

Obviously for me, religion was never a part of my life and is not a necessary aspect for ME as a human to survive. Proud to be Pure in that way !! But if someone feels the need to get into it or practice it, that's their choice. I don't have a problem with it just as long as they don't push it onto me and I won't push my way of life onto them.

Very Pure

Angie

Clarification: The very very few times I did walk into a church when I was very young, I didn't like being in there one bit. At that time and being so young, I couldn't identify why I got such bad feelings being in there. All I knew and the only words I could put to it at that time was that there was something bad about it and eventually put the word "evil" to it. Although I knew people who went to church, friends, etc., and my knowing this, I did find myself, when my life was getting brutal by others around me and unbearable, I did find myself, the very few times, praying for him or just someone to help make my situation better. But I quickly realized that no one could help my situation other than myself and it was up to me to make the best of my situation until I could get out and eventually I did and made the choice to finally leave and it was one of the best choices I have ever made !!

My cock eyed friend , I like your style and I actually got to see a serious side to you. I like it. Sorry it has taken me so long to respond but have been very busy and plus taking some time off from O'ist sites right now and it's been a nice little respite for me and very much enjoying it !! but still stopping by to see what's been going on.

I've given "the way out is the way in" some thought but haven't devoted much time to it lately. My life has been pretty busy so haven't had much time to play with this idea but sure I will eventually as I am always thinking about something or other or playing with some idea and always ripping it apart.

I liked your post, loved the forest deal. Although have been lost in the forest as well as the desert as well as an abandoned mine and various others before, don't ask please, VERY adventurous as a child and still am to this day. And after a while, everything starts to look the freakin' same and it really sucks the big one.....LOL Although was with many friends in the abandoned mine and was definitely an adventure I won't ever forget, oh, and plus coming out of the mine, not the same way we came in, let us out on the other side, onto fine gravel with 2 friends behind me. We all slipped, very loose gravel, and started sliding down the side of the mountain. But after all of us digging feet and hands into the gravel, we came to a stop about 3 feet short of going over the cliff. The girl in the very back got up first and very carefully and slowly made her way to the side and then the girl behind me did the same and then I finally got up and made it to the side. Walked over to the drop off and grateful we stopped in time because if not we would have plummeted an easy 300 or more feet to the bottom. The crazy and stupid stuff I used to do as a kid....amazing. Still fun having adventures though and always looking forward to a new one but just no more mines, young when that one happened.

But I enjoyed your post, brought back some of my own funky memories....LOL Although hair raising, they were adventures I will never forget and some were quite fun !!

Angie

Happy B-Day, Mike !! and hope you enjoyed every moment of it !!

You are on the right track. It leads to finding something, the way out is the way in. But you always return no matter what. You can leave it but only temporarily, you always return to yourself and finding it again !! That part I got down. It's just putting all the others together in a more detailed way. But Rich, you are on the right track. But for me, there is still much more to go and having fun with it !!

Angie

Hi, LW. You're funny. No, you weren't rambling at all. This one is interesting for me in the way it does point to one specific thing and I know what it is but it is just building that bridge so to speak to get to it. And what it seems on the surface isn't what it truly means. There is a lot with this one and I'm still working on it as usual. Rush is a group that is heavy into O'ism, at least the song writer is. In each of their songs, the lyrics don't concentrate on one aspect of O'ism. It touches on many different aspects of O'ism and it's just a matter of tearing it apart, taking certain words and building on it to get to the true meaning of it which is interesting for me to pick apart and is fun for me. Each word ties into the first somehow. It's just building on it from there. And it will span the entire philosophy. Neil is a phenomenal writer and a phenomenal drummer. Here are the lyrics to the song but doesn't help me much in tearing apart the Way out is the way in. But it is all tied in somehow.

The experience slips away, even though I wasn't aware of AR's view when picking it apart, considering I haven't read many of the books regarding the philosophy, etc., I'm just over here wingin' it as usual but found out recently what AR meant by experience. And it is very true with this philosophy, experience slips away, as in the example I gave up above. There are many pitfalls to using your experiences as a form of knowledge especially when there are no ideas involved, ethics, etc. It very much can work against you as in the case of Tom Lykus.

But here are the rest of the lyrics to the song. I'm picking it apart, slowly but surely but stuck right now. I am sure eventually something will happen, evidence will present itself eventually, reading a post or something in my own life, etc., that will make it more clear and I will take off running with it happily !! But I'm getting there. It's just each line has to be picked apart and each touches on some aspect of the philosophy. But right now the way out is the way in and this points directly to it and in a sense is the main path, the rest just has to be tied into it.

The way out

Is the way in

The way out

Is the way in...

Out of touch

With the weather and the wind direction

With the sunrise

And the phases of the moon

Out of touch

With life in the land of the loving

With the living night

And the darkness at high noon

You can never break the chain

There is never love without pain

A gentle hand, a secret touch on the heart

Out of sync

With the rhythm of my own reactions

With the things that last

And the things that come apart

Out of sync

With love in the land of the living

A gentle hand, a secret touch on the heart

A healing hand, a secret touch on the heart

There is never love without pain

Life is a power that remains

Any other suggestions are definitely appreciated

Angie

P.S. Thinking more about it now, I know without a doubt what it points to and that realization just re-confirmed my first thought of what it truly touches on.