Jon Letendre

1 hour ago, bradschrag said:

 The energy balance of any object has to do with how much it receives (in this case Earth receives energy from the sun)

The dynamic sun.

14 minutes ago, Brant Gaede said:

How do you know so much while scientists know so little?

--Brant

Know so much?

Brad just said that greenhouse gasses impede the movement of energy from the sun to space. But they are literally in no place to do that. He meant another thing.

Solar output variance has a direct positive correlation with atmospheric  temperatures.

4 minutes ago, bradschrag said:

Energy balance of the planet has to do with how well heat moves from source (the sun in this case) to the sink (space). Greenhouse gases impede that movement.

Do you want to rewrite that?

Going too fast.

We could have hockey games on Equatorial Atlantic if there was no sun. I used to look at the sun when I was a preteen through a telescope and darkening lenses. There were lots of spots then, large ones. Other times there are no spots on the surface. The sun is quite dynamic. It is the source of all the warming here in the first place.

Plants grow really well in a higher CO2 environment. Higher yields. But we have to get CO2 concentrations much higher. China builds a lot of coal burning stations and that is an important positive contribution.

We get cow farts in Denver. Seriously. It is from Greeley, a town about 60 mikes away which hosts a million head of cattle in its feed lots. The prevailing winds are almost always the other way, but once or twice a month your back yard smells like a cow is there, and it is farting. We call it Eau de Greeley.

I do think we should leave the poor things alone, though, and not teach them to ignite their farts.

I hope that Jonathan’s anger and misplaced.obstinance hasn’t derailed the conversation.

Brad, I need to know if we can build a discussion on common grounds of agreement: would the extinction of all tropical birds and fish be a good thing? Do you have a penguin fetish?

1 hour ago, Ellen Stuttle said:

As I thought about the "Ergo" you're trying for.

Your trap has no teeth - but I think you don't know that.

Ellen

Brad is avoiding you.

On 2/8/2020 at 6:39 PM, Ellen Stuttle said:

The "Ergo" I think you're after doesn't follow.

Ellen

Brad didn’t have any reaction to that.

In fact, Brad, if you won’t answer whether you enjoy sleeping in wool I don’t see how this conversation can proceed.

I love filling up my Expedition. 30 gallons. Gas is cheaper in town, but up in the mountains I can spend over $100. It makes me feel good. Doing my part.

Last week I noticed two of my bikes had older—smelling fuel in them. Can’t have that. So I drained about five gallons of gasoline from them and left it out to evaporate. I wish I had more time to ride that out of them instead, but it’s ok, gasoline is cheap and hopefully a very good greenhouse vapor until it breaks down. People talk a lot. I’m doing real things to save us all from the coming ice age. Raise your hand if you enjoy sleeping in wool.

4 hours ago, merjet said:

No, idiot. The difference between a junkyard dog and a human being is stark.

An OL member, TurkeyBrain, was hoping you would give this a shot ... 

https://www.objectivistliving.com/forums/topic/16588-747-on-conveyer/?tab=comments#comment-291455

Billyboy is, cognitively,  a cripple.

Many tasks that seem simple are actually way beyond his capacities.

For example, he cannot reliably judge who does and who does not have a brain.

If he ever sounds intelligent, just notice the links attending the post in which you think he sounds intelligent. He has spent  the last few hours reading people who can think. Then he composes his post. Notice that he can never address follow-ups, never answers questions in his own voice. Instead, more links. He hides it well.

Did I say equal parts dumb and insincere? Three here now! Holy shit this is the best.

Equal parts dumb and insincere. The first sabotages any lapses of the second. It is cruel, really, to engage them. So please continue! Best entertainment here in years.

Inept, incompetent, ignorant losers like Brad and Billyboy are so cute in their felt superiority.

Not bad entertainment.

Thanks, boys.

Tony gets deeply confused but it usually feels to me like standard confusion. He doesn’t  look you in the eye and say up is down.

I want more CO2, taller forests, longer growing seasons, more people, less ice more bikinis, "Lost Venice" traveling collections at my local art museums, bikinis.

3 hours ago, Jonathan said:

I didn't "buck" at all. I asked you to define your terms.

 

No, that's not what you're doing. You're asking questions about what I think. Game playing. You were asked to define your terms, and instead turned it into a question of what I think.

Slither, slither, slither. I'm not going to play. Answer the questions, or fuck off.

Heh. You've already invested much more time slithering than it would have taken to answer the questions.

J

They like slithering. It’s what they are. It’s why they got behind a movement that rewards those who nourish a refined skill at it. Most punish it, call it out for what it is, push it away. But not their pet movement. Everyone else hates them. Everyone in their pet movement accepts them, even admires them.

9 hours ago, Brant Gaede said:

The article is a bunch of opinions with a whopper that if humans just stop putting CO2 into the atmosphere everything will be hunky dory. Billions dying of starvation while the ruling elites "protect" the planet is not mentioned.

The only significant alternative to fossil fuels for life sustaining energy production is nuclear.

--Brant

It’s great that we have centuries of proven coal. All sources should be explored and exploited. We could do uranium based nuke technology for many thousands of years. Thorium appears safer and even more abundant. There is actually no impending energy crisis at all.

When you are incapable of discussing science and incapable of even discussing your favorite nature.com article, just tell your interlocutor he is confused.

Billy, I really can see now what you see in Brad.

1 hour ago, Brant Gaede said:

Fight the next ice age! Burn fossil fuels!

--Brant

I don't think that will work, BTW

It will work if we are steadfast, (I have eight motor vehicles on the road right now) and if we silence the ice age deniers, that’s essential. For their own good.

How many times was the nation of Maldives supposed to have been gone by now, covered in rising seas? I heard that one many times. That prediction had to have its signs taken down like at Glacier National Park “These glaciers will be gone by 2020.” Look, I found a link! 

Nature.com

It is becoming evident that Brad is no more capable of speaking about science than Billy is.

Billy, why did you think this meathead, who can only hunt down links like you, is knowledgeable or able to speak about any science at all? It is evident all he knows is climate propaganda and nothing about any science.