This has become a super interesting thread. I find it amazing to learn where objectivism stands on certain issues such as porn which wasn't as prevalent in Ayn Rands day as it is now; and dldelancey don't feel bad at all, you made some very interesting points. If I understand correctly there is no mind body split in sex which makes sense, this also includes watching porn and masturbation, a problem only arises when there is force involved. dldelancey I find your point about faking a orgasm or lying and saying you don't look fat to be quite interesting. I would say that yes it is immoral because as it says in atlas shrugged "What I’ve learned is that a lie is an act of self-abdication, because one surrenders one’s reality to the person to whom one lies, making that person one’s master, condemning oneself from then on to faking the sort of reality that person’s view requires to be faked…The man who lies to the world, is the world’s slave from then on…There are no white lies, there is only the blackest of destruction, and a white lie is the blackest of all.” My question is does that mean Ayn Rand would say to tell the truth to a murderer if he asked for the location of a family member?