zarxo

Very nice and even though am intocicated on New Year's Day, I would like to reinforce the logic that you just persuaded!

Zarxo

I notice that people with low regard for themselves are so self conscious that they don't function well. Self centering is short sighted. You don't do well when you are looking at your feet all the time. In the sports example though, I know that they always encourage being a team player, because the opposing team may block a good player and he has to practice superior team skills to counter that tactic. If you couldn't figure a bad reason for their doing boing that might mean that there was a good reason. Makes sense. OK, it's true, I am just trying to start a fight.

Here is my sum. Sex is sex, love is love. They are both separate and can be experienced separately CONSCIOUSLY; however, if you can find both in one person, then you've found a good "thing". Also, as values change, the person who you love, may change, which results in falling out of love. Pefectly normal if the other partner is not conscious of you growing and changing. I do think true love, the kind that just smacks the universe, can happen but I think that type of love is more of a finding someone who is the objective image of your subjective soul. Hence the widely used term, "soul mates". Part of being human is sexual desires, just know your intent when sex is involved and be frank to the other person too. Not all times will the outcome be as expected; especially when another person is involved. There is a saying that I have, "unspoken expectations", just know that it exists and logic will see you through.

zarxo

I have a great deal of trouble reconciling the following passage from Objectivism: The Philosophy of Ayn Rand by Leonard Peikoff with reality. I even find it difficult to reconcile it with Rand when I think about the Playboy interview and some other instances.

The passage is from OPAR, p. 344-345:

Sexual feeling is a sum; it presupposes all of a rational man's moral values and his love for them, including his love for the partner who embodies them. The essential meaning of such a feeling is not social, but metaphysical; it pertains not to any single value or love, but to the profound concern involved in all value pursuit: the relationship between a man and reality. Sex is a unique form of answering the supreme question of a volitional being: can I live? The man of self-esteem, using cognitive, conceptual terms, concludes in his own mind that the answer is yes. When he makes love, he knows that yes without words, as a passion coursing through his body.

Sex is a physical capacity in the service of a spiritual need. It reflects not man's body alone nor his mind alone, but their integration. As in all such cases, the mind is the ruling factor.

There is a biological basis of human sexuality and a counterpart in the animal world. But all animal needs and pleasures are transfigured in the context of the rational animal. This is apparent even in regard to such simple needs as food and shelter. Human beings, precisely to the extent that they have attained human stature, gain comparatively little enjoyment from the mere sensation of satisfying these needs. Their pleasure comes mostly from the accompanying emotions. It comes from the constellation of conceptually formulated values that define the needs' human satisfaction. Thus the joys of haute cuisine with special friends amid crystal and tapestries in a fine restaurant, or of beef stew and a glass of wine with a loving wife in one's own dining room, as against the act, equally nutritious and shielded from the elements though it may be, of chewing a piece of meat in a vacant cave somewhere. The principle is that a pleasure which was once purely biological becomes, in the life of a conceptual being, largely spiritual. The principle applies preeminently to sex. No human pleasure as intense as that of sex can be dominantly a matter of physical sensation. Dominantly, sex is an emotion; and the cause of emotion is intellectual.

Before I get into my own considerations, I would love to hear some of yours. (I am still shuddering...)

Michael

You are being not only conscious at that moment but you are also thinking of how others are thinking. They are being mechanical and you just "care". They are not necessarily wrong but that are just not "there" as you are. Just observe and integrate what you are seeing into your consciousness, don't let it beat you down. Enjoying the game aren't you? :frantics: You should relay this thought to the player that you are talking about, that is, if you both are friends. I am sure it will open new doors for you. Remember, pick your battles, part of being an efficacious man is to use "your energy" wisley. Sometimes its hard to do when you get all caught up in the moment but as time goes on, you will control that part of you better. Just remember most of those people are not even aware of why they are hating this guy, so its useless to throw pearls before swine. Keep thinking, but don't let it steal your fun!

zarxo

I was at my High School basketball game earlier tonight, it was the Les Schwab Invitational, a tournament sponsored by the local tire company amongst others. The game was a rematch between last year's state championship teams, both teams have players that are top ten in the nation. The thing is I noticed the particular hatred directed towards our best player Kevin Love. Kevin Love is 6'10 or so, 260 lbs, and can do it all. Kevin is ranked (last I checked) third in the nation for his age, the other guys is ranked (don't quote me on this) 8th or 9th. The troubling thing was the amount of pure hatred directed towards Kevin. There quickly came a point where the sheer hatred became ridiculous. Kevin Love would shoot a foul shot, people would boo and hope he missed. It's natural for fans from a certain school to want the other team to lose, but this wasn't only kids from the other school and they weren't only the other team's fans. Especially troubling was the anger exerted by a kid from a city that was nowhere near either of the team's whenever something good happened for Kevin Love. Because he had no clue what was actually going on, it meant that he was told to hate a person because they are good.

This is not the only thing that bugs me about jealousy. It seems like I'm the only one that is dissapointed when my team doesn't win so much as the other team losing. I am not sure why it bugs me so much when it doesn't bother my teammates or anyone else for that matter.

Has anyone else experienced stuff like this that is just ridiculous?