Steve Gagne

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  1. Well, Dr. Bob, Lord-of-the-Shard(s) (Lord of the Shattering of the Vessels?!? :unsure: ),

    One can always hope for the best possible outcome.

    But on another thread it was asked what the islamist fanatics have that the russians & the chinese didn't have. The answer to that, of, course is: BABIES. They're having enough to clean out Europe & Russia & China & India & repopulate them. Which is exactly what they intend to do. So yeah, demographics have got us by the balls.

    Kill em all? Afores we ALL gits blowed up? :nuke: It's like trying to eradicate roaches.

    But maybe it's like the old saw about the 131-year old man who married a 20-year old girl,

    "DIDN'T WANT TO, HAD TO!"

  2. John --

    The Browns are making the point that there is no law mandating that they pay the income tax.

    There's a book called "Cracking the Code" by the former IRS man and current legal researcher named Peter Eric Hendrickon.

    The premise of this book is that the constitutional impediment to capitation taxes still holds, the 16th Amendment notwithstanding. He traces a continuous chain of laws, precedents, and court-recognized legal definitions, back to the first income tax under Abraham Lincoln in 1862, and shows that the income tax is an excise tax (a tax on an PRIVILEGED, OPTIONAL activity), that only applies to the following people:

    (1) Federal Officials,

    (2) Federal Employees,

    (3) Federal Contractors,

    (4) Compensated Officers of Federally-Chartered Corporations, and

    (5) Residents of Federal Territories (DC, Puerto Rico, Guam).

    Please note that receiving payment in exchange for labor, i.e., earning a living, is not considered a privileged or an optional activity, and is thus NON-TAXABLE.

    Anybody else paying taxes to the IRS is taking part in "VOLUNTARY COMPLIANCE".

    Now I know of several people who have filed tax returns, and for years have gotten ALL TAX WITHHOLDING refunded, even including FICA and Medicare taxes, based on these claims, no questions asked by the IRS.

    (Please note that I have followed the logic, and believe at least a few of his precedent citations prove the opposite point of what he is trying to make. And having run afoul of the IRS several times in my life, I am not willing to risk another 10 or 15 of the last 20 years I have to live, living on the run from them. So I say take it with a grain of salt.)

    Happy reading!

    Steve

  3. All fine and dandy in a free marketplace.

    But when you have oligarchic NGO's acting as conspiracies in restraint of trade, specifically health insurance companies, you have market distortions on the order of socialistic government interference.

    You want fair, free health care, that is, a health care system that is not coerced? Outlaw health insurance. Otherwise it's just another kind of class warfare, another instance of one gang or another battling for possession of the law (as well as for all the goodies).

  4. The Dr. Ron Paul Revolution 2008 presidential campaign continues to pull ahead....Dr. Paul pulled second in the Utah GOP straw poll a few days ago (behind only Mitt Romney)...Dr. Paul has pulled second in the L.A.Times Presidential Preference Poll in the last few days (behind only Fred Thompson)...the $5-million marked in fundraising is passed (with no debt incurred)...the juggernaut continues...

    Dr. Ron Paul -- Hope For America. Be part of it.

    =====================================================

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    Main website:

    http://www.ronpaul2008.com

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    National & Florida Yahoo Groups:

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    Communications:

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    Some Friends & Supporters:

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    http://www.ronpaulhq.com/index.php

    http://www.kenchapmans.info/politics

    http://www.grannywarriors.com

    http://www.conservativetimes.org

    http://libertarianchristians.org/index.html

    Florida Voter & Republican Organizations:

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    http://www.rpof.org/action/volunteer

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    http://www.gop.com

  5. Phil

    Thank you for your synopsis of the last 40 years of Objectivist history. As one who respects Objectivism without embracing it completely, I have to agree that the pure ugliness of the "I'M IN CHARGE HERE" attitudes is a great incentive for non-true believers to stay away. All the adjoining posts were also quite interesting (especially Jonathan's "socialist advocacy" post :lol: ).

    Also apropos Michael's first post, I think his comment about comparing a movement to a religion was more dead-on than anyone else here has been willing to acknowledge, at least in terms of recognizing patterns of human behaviour within organizations. First of all, moo. Mooo. MOOOOO! Herd of cows? OF COURSE I'VE HEARD OF COWS.

    But aside from the herd mentality that you get in a religious cult, there is a book which addresses the problems of fractionation that you addressed entitled Historical Drift: Must My Church Die? by Arnold L. Cook (with the foreword by K. Neill Foster). The book is subtitled "Dimming Vision, Shifting Values, Fading Passion: How to Detect, Diagnose, and Reverse the Trends." The link is to the Amazon page with a review of the book. Though some might find the religious terminology a turn-off (if not completely obtuse) I can still recommend it as a symbolic parallel of the very problems that Objectivism has encountered -- because people are people, and patterns of human behaviour can be reproduced in disparate communities (no matter what they profess) -- because they are human.

  6. As a novelist, she wrote the finest pulp fiction i ever saw. Gawd I love her pulp fiction. As the director of the AS movie has observed, it has "moments." It really makes her stories powerful. But nowadays talent is not appreciated; her talents at stylization would most likely end up being wasted in the field of pornography.

    As a philosopher, no matter how brilliant, her concepts were flawed, immediately from her dismissal of Kant as the historical destroyer of reaon onward. Kant himself was an intellectual "fence" -- a "receiver of stolen goods" in the the sense of philosophical "stolen concepts", as are all philosophers since that era. The primary, unrecognized philosophical bandit, to whom we owe it all, was the Anglican priest John Wesley, the founder of Methodism.

    Until the time of John Wesley, even the most skeptical of philosophers honored some form of Christian principles, even if only in the breach. THE fundamental principle of "natural law theory" (the basis of the "Enlightenment") was the concept that man was a creature of an OBJECTIVE, FIXED, UNCHANGEABLE nature.

    Along comes missionary Anglican priest John Wesley, failing as an evangelist in Georgia and the Carolinas, getting his ass shot off by Indians, running back to England. He started the Methodist movement, in defiance to his superiors in the Anglican church, and started writing sermons and preaching. The substance of his preaching was that man is NOT a creature of a FIXED NATURE, but comes "closer to God" or perfection by an infinite number of small steps. This is known as the "infinite perfectibility of man".

    I related this idea during a talk about secularism and faith I called, "Is Our Faith Imaginary?", at a conference of Christian ministers a few years ago; please note how many other ideas this inspired.

    Now, what are the distinguishing characteristics of their particular secularist "tradition"?

    Firstly, there is a belief in the era that gave birth to the USA: the Enlightenment; there is a underlying belief in human reason as the tool for validating knowledge. This gave rise to modern day Scientism (the secularist belief in Science).

    Paralleling this was the spiritual development of Methodism, Trancendentalism, Christian Universalism, and Unitarianism in the late 1700's & early 1800's, undermining faith in the salvific destiny of the faith community as a whole.

    The beginnings of archaeology, and incomplete discoveries in the Near East, appeared to deny Scriptural certainty. This was followed shortly thereafter by what was called "Biblical Deconstructivism", where the authenticity of the Bible, indeed, of all things related to the Faith, were ripped to shreds, and only pieces "scientifically justified" were reintroduced as "believable". Most of this "research" was performed in Germany; as most people don't know German, the conclusions were popularized while leaving the reasons and details unknown.

    Devout evangelical communities such as the Quakers were shattered by these movements, while a countermovement began to "restore" the "lost" spirituality of evangelical Christianity: "Restoration Theology". This last has encompassed virtually every new religious community, sect, and cult, for the last 200 years, giving birth to the Shakers, Mormonism, Seventh-Day Adventists, Disciples of Christ, Church of Christ, Covenanters, Christian Scientists, Christian and Missionary Alliance, the Pentecostal movement, Church of God in Christ, Assemblies of God, UPCI, Church of God and the rise of televangelism, the Charismatic movement in the older established churches, through the latter day healing, prophetic, and apostolic movements (restoration of the five-fold ministry), to, finally, the present "third-day" (homechurch/cellchurch) movement. These "Restoration Theologies" are NOT ON THE RADAR for the clueless modern secularists, especially the Christian orientation toward "the Great Commission".

    Rather, in the pre-secularist philosophies, the "hopeful", "optimistic" views of John Wesley obtained, that a man reaches justification (perfection) eventually through an infinite number of small steps, a "progression" of "infinite perfectibility". This distorted concept, though similar to modern evangelical concepts regarding justification ("one's walk with the LORD"), has some serious problems with it.

    Leading up to and including the time of the Enlightenment, western philosophers had always relied upon a presumption that man was a specific creature of God with a specific, objective nature, that this nature was fixed, changeable only by an act of God, called a "Conversion". This is the principle upon which they relied in theology, in philosophy, in law, in literature, in the fine arts, and it was maintained by a knowledge and appreciation of Aristotle, of Augustine, and of Thomas Aquinas. Even the "pessimistic" philosopher Thomas Hobbes' description of man's life in the state of nature -- "nasty, brutish, short" -- was no more than a secular philosopher acknowledging the truth of man's soul living under the curse of original sin.

    But suddenly, according to this Anglican priest John Wesley, man no longer has a fixed, objective nature, rather his nature is in a state of flux or evolution. By advocating this approach, he gave permission to the secularists to abandon the concept of the singular carnal nature of man, precisely for this "flux", this "evolution" of man's existence. One of the permutations that this concept gave rise to, was that man, being "infinitely perfectible", became, in the eyes of secularists, "infinitely malleable", meaning that, like a piece of wet clay, a man could be molded into whatever the State, or the people in a position of power, wanted him to be. Note the progression that this unleashed: philosopher Rousseau abandoned the "carnal nature of man" concept, assuming man's "natural innocence", giving birth to the French Revolution, one of the bloodiest in history (and the source of our current problems with France); Hegel's "Dialectic" depersonalized the strife of war, making total war thinkable (foreordaining the two world wars, as well as our present-day "perpetual wars"); Nietzche's neo-gnostic views concerning those to be molded versus the molders (Mensch und Ubermensch -- Man and Superman [like Plato's Republic] was Adolf Hitler's textbook on government); John Stuart Mills' Pragmatism (that human sacrifice -- Moloch worship -- is appropriate in order to provide the greatest good for the greatest number); and this was all epitomized in the writings of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels, Das Kapital -- Capital (the founding document of Communism, which borrowed from the worst of all of the above). One little philosophical mistake, and WHAM! A century of deathcamp "isms", all claiming to be part of the "Enlightenment", where more people sufferred and died horrendous deaths than in all of the wars of history combined. So what we're looking at in Wesley is possibly a dry-run for the antichrist. His theology was definitely the deathknell for both the Protestant Reformation and the Enlightenment.

    So we have to debunk the myth of the Enlightenment. How? I just did. To summarize: the Enlightenment is an extinct short-lived intellectual movement, from several hundred years ago, whose basis was in devout, orthodox protestant Christianity. It simply could not survive without its foundation, and died an ignominious death 200 years ago at the hands of an evolutionary/relativistic Wesleyanism or Methodism. Its history has instructional value to us, and much timeless wisdom was expressed by those who lived in that period, but we live now, not then, and we need our own intellectual impetus, our own mark to place on history, or we will slip into the same futile obscurity....

  7. CRACK FOUND ON GOVERNOR'S DAUGHTER

    [imagine that!]

    SOMETHING WENT WRONG IN JET CRASH, EXPERTS SAY

    [No! Really?!]

    IS THERE A RING OF DEBRIS AROUND URANUS?

    [Not if I wipe thoroughly!]

    PANDA MATING FAILS; VETERINARIAN TAKES OVER

    [What a guy]!

    MINERS REFUSE TO WORK AFTER DEATH

    [Good-for-nothin' lazy so-and-sos!]

    JUVENILE COURT TO TRY SHOOTING DEFENDANT

    [see if that works any better than a fair trial!]

    WAR DIMS HOPE FOR PEACE

    [i can see where it might have that effect!]

    COLD WAVE LINKED TO TEMPERATURES

    [Who would have thought?]

    COUPLE SLAIN; POLICE SUSPECT HOMICIDE

    [They may be on to something!]

    RED TAPE HOLDS UP NEW BRIDGE

    [You mean there's something stronger than duct tape?]

    NEW STUDY OF OBESITY LOOKS FOR LARGER TEST GROUP

    [Weren't they fat enough?]

    ASTRONAUT TAKES BLAME FOR GAS IN SPACECRAFT

    [That's what he gets for eating those beans!]

    KIDS MAKE NUTRITIOUS SNACK

    [Taste like chicken?]

    LOCAL HIGH SCHOOL DROPOUTS CUT IN HALF

    [Chainsaw Massacre all over again!]

    HOSPITAL SUED BY 7 FOOT DOCTORS

    [boy, are they tall!]

  8. The universe will eventually grow cold and dark. -All- life will cease.

    Ba'al Chatzaf

    Yes, Dr. Bob. but not in the lifetime of of our species. Who knows if the the next evolutionary step will even be sentient in a sense that we could understand?

    Ah well, untill then, all honor to the shards! And obeisance to their Lord!

  9. A blonde calls Delta Airlines and asks, "Can you tell me how long it'll take to fly from San Francisco to New York City?"

    The agent replies, "Just a minute..."

    "Thank you!" the blonde says, and hangs up.

  10. The banker saw his old friend Tom, an eighty year-old rancher, in town. Tom had lost his wife a year or so before and rumor had it that he was marrying a "mail order" bride. Being a good friend, the banker asked Tom if the rumor was true. Tom assured him that it was. The banker then asked Tom the age of his new bride to be. Tom proudly said, "She'll be twenty-one in November."

    Now the banker, being the wise man that he was, could see that the sexual appetite of a young woman could not be satisfied by an eighty-year-old man. Wanting his old friend's remaining years to be happy the banker tactfully suggested that Tom should consider getting a hired hand to help him out on the ranch, knowing nature would take its own course. Tom thought this was a good idea and said he would look for one that afternoon.

    About four months later, the banker ran into Tom in town again. "How's the new wife?" asked the banker.

    Tom proudly said, "Oh, she's pregnant!"

    The banker, happy that his sage advice had worked out, continued, "And how's the hired hand?"

    Without hesitating, Tom said, "Oh, she's pregnant too."

  11. Two old guys, one 80 and one 87, were sitting on their usual park bench one morning. The 87 year old had just finished his morning jog and wasn't even short of breath.

    The 80 year old was amazed at his friend's stamina and asked him what he did to have so much energy.

    The 87 year old said; "Well, I eat Italian bread every day. It keeps your energy level high and you'll have great stamina with the ladies."

    So, on the way home, the 80 year old stops at the bakery. As he was looking around, the lady asked if he needed any help.

    He said, "Do you have any Italian bread?"

    She said, "Yes, there's a whole shelf of it. Would you like some?"

    He said, "I want 5 loaves."

    "My goodness, 5 loaves...," she said. "Don't you think by the time you get to the 5th loaf it'll be hard?"

    He replied, "Holy crap! Does everybody in the world knows about this Italian bread thing but ME?!"

  12. ...Speaking of space travel, I recently heard that unless our species finds a way to find another planet to move to that it will not survive. A planet has been found "just" twenty light years away which is at the right distance from its sun to enable human life to manage but is five times larger than Earth.

    I gather that travel at the speed of light or anything close to it is not practical so I wonder how long it would take to get there? I suppose it would require several generations living aboard such a space transport vehicle to make the trip....

    ...your mention of space travel conjures up issues I am curious about. I try to imagine what life on a large space transport would be llke for the generations which will never know the Earth except from info brought along for the ride. It might be sad that they would not be able to ever know and experience life on Earth as we know it. The fact that Earth might be doomed at that point would be small consolation.

    galt

    Actually, interstellar travel has been part of the conception of the US space program from the beginning. Ion engines have been around since the 50's. But it took scifi to flesh out some of the ideas:

    "For the World Is Hollow, and I Have Touched the Sky"

    From the official website

    My old man had his own semi-humorous take on it. That we originated at planet Hephaestus, then we "hephaformed' Mars; our forbears blew up Hephaestus (now know as the asteroid belt); while a remnant settled Mars. Then we "ariformed" earth, and when our forbears settled here, they created an ecologic disaster of previously unknown proportions on Mars, requiring abandonment of that planet. Now we're discussing climate shifts and getting ready to "terraform' Venus, and looking at only a remnant surviving to do it. After Venus, where would we go?

    That's where the interstellar thing comes in. Not only does NASA have files on hollow earthlike artificial environments, but also for ISS-style docking capabilbies, as well as ship "clusters" -- a mothership (with an artificial earthlike environment) with a ring of isolated orbiting satellite ships for specialized functions (power, observation, science/medicine, etc.) All in all, a fun topic to think about.

  13. the law itself holds a didactic ("normative") role in society; teaching the rules of a particular society's "social contract

    Steve, I can't guess where you're going with this. We have very different understanding of constitutional law. Are you saying that you wish it to be so, that law = social contract? or rather in the current state, law = social contract?

    Maybe you're thinking of some political society other than the United States?

    W.

    Okay, what I am doing is chucking all the social-contract "theorists" out the window. I am not arguing for or against it, but saying that the description of a"social contract" is just that -- "descriptive", not "proscriptive", -- i.e., it is a description of how people behave in society. And I can not conceive of ANYONE asserting the opposite, "Awww gee whiz, Steve, people DON'T have any behaviour in society." Like, what could that possibly mean? Of course they do!

    We need a common basis for communication here. And what I meant was that the social contract is precisely that -- the common basis for communication. The sum of one's understandings of language and behaviour. The total of one's expectations, actions, and responses, in one's social interactions. Like language, these tend to change over time (even the meanings of written documents are subject to "entropy"). In most societies, the written law is part of this. And there are no rules in reality that say it has to be a suicide pact or that it can't be renegotiated.

    So, I guess i am agreeing with SaulOhio, that just because the public discussion may be about "the social contract", it doesn't mean that those who believe in freedom have to sit this one out. In fact, engagement may be critical to helping build the type of rational society you or I would want to live in.

    Steve

    p.s. I do not readily approve of the UCC quasi-contract, it sends the wrong message. But it's there, poisoning people's minds into thinking it's okay to force people to do things involuntarily. It's one of those things I think we should "renegotiate." Of course, considering Directive 10-289, also known as "National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive NSPD-51/HSPD-20", it may all be a moot point anyway. As I've noted elsewhere, when life imitates art, it can get scary.

  14. UCC quasi-contract and implied exchange does not apply to religion or citizenship.

    Strictly speaking, no, of course not. But the law itself holds a didactic ("normative") role in society; teaching the rules of a particular society's "social contract", and revealing its intents, so that people can learn to comply with it rather than running afoul at every turn. And rules of human intercourse, no matter how specialized, tend to diffuse over time and be applied into areas they weren't intended for.

  15. Bob,

    The orientation of this site as regards Muslims and this whole problem is education first. If all you are going to do is preach hatred and destruction, this will become problematic since it will create a huge noise factor for those who want to learn.

    Your position is duly noted and it is OK to express it periodically. But please note that I emphatically don't agree with it and I am trying to build something (as are many intelligent people in other places like Pipes). You will not convince me with rhetoric and opinions and I will not tolerate someone destroying what I am trying to build with heckling as I build it.

    So let's leave it at that.

    Michael

    Michael

    Man that was harsh. You two got a history?

    I just downloaded the pdf file and read the premises for the report, concerning this "vast" group of nominal muslims. I will be looking for evidence (numbers) to validate these premises as I read it. But the topic I brought up about demographics impinges on the same territory, and is working from a different premise:

    This is about the seven-eighths below the surface -- the larger forces at play in the developed world that have left Europe too enfeebled to resist its remorseless transformation into Eurabia and that call into question the future of much of the rest of the world. The key factors are: demographic decline; the unsustainability of the social democratic state; and civilizational exhaustion.

    Let's start with demography, because everything does:

    If your school has 200 guys and you're playing a school with 2,000 pupils, it doesn't mean your baseball team is definitely going to lose but it certainly gives the other fellows a big starting advantage. Likewise, if you want to launch a revolution, it's not very likely if you've only got seven revolutionaries. And they're all over 80. But, if you've got two million and seven revolutionaries and they're all under 30 you're in business.

    For example, I wonder how many pontificators on the "Middle East peace process" ever run this number:

    The median age in the Gaza Strip is 15.8 years.

    Once you know that, all the rest is details. If you were a "moderate Palestinian" leader, would you want to try to persuade a nation -- or pseudo-nation -- of unemployed poorly educated teenage boys raised in a UN-supervised European-funded death cult to see sense? Any analysis of the "Palestinian problem" that doesn't take into account the most important determinant on the ground is a waste of time.

    Marc Steyn, "America Alone"

    Granted, there are muslims of good will. More so amongst the Sufi and Sunni, than the Shi'ite and Wahhabi. And perhaps the comparison to cold-war methodologies are helpful. But are we talking about trying to negotiate with children here? Is that who will have their fingers on the button?

    [Note: edited due to lost attribution. By-line originally inserted in "quote' directive but not functioning; added at end of passage.]

  16. In common law there is your basic contract -- offer, acceptance, agreement, exchange of valid consideration -- but there is something else under the UCC called a "quasi-contract".

    A quasi-contract does not need to involve all the elements of contract in order to be enforceable. Rather, it need only be shown that a party has received some benefit in order to place the full burden of specific compliance (read: involuntary servitude) on that party, whether or not he has agreed to any "implied exchange" or "implied duty."

    This is touched on by Howard Freeman.

  17. Amnesty by any other name...but we can get to that later. Has anyone noticed some of the other things contained in the bill?

    Here's a few to get things started:

    SEC. 113. REPORTS ON IMPROVING THE EXCHANGE OF INFORMATION ON NORTH AMERICAN SECURITY.

    Why is the Senate worried about NORTH AMERICAN security? I would be tickled to death if they would just provide for United States security. This is straight out of the SPP guidelines!

      (b)(3)(E) [secretaries shall make an annual report on the progress made] in developing and implementing an immigration security strategy for North America that works toward the development of a common security perimeter [emphasis added].
      Same thing again! The Senate wants to develop a NORTH AMERICAN security perimeter. SPP all the way!
      There are several other items straight from SPP such as sharing common inteligence information.

    SEC. 114. IMPROVING THE SECURITY OF MEXICO'S SOUTHERN BORDER.

    No, you didn't misread that! It says SOUTHERN border!

      (a)(2)to use the assessment made under paragraph (1) [the specific needs of Guatemala and Belize in maintaining the security of the international borders of such countries;] to determine the financial and technical support needed by Guatemala and Belize from Canada, Mexico, and the United States to meet such needs; [emphasis added]
      Now we're going to pay to defend Central America's borders?
      (b)(2)[The Secretary of State shall]...establish a program to provide needed equipment, technical assistance, and vehicles to manage, regulate, and patrol the international borders between Mexico and Guatemala and between Mexico and Belize.
      We're doing such a great job on our southern border that we're going to help Mexico with hers! I guess that means that the Guatelmalans and Belizeians[?] will then be pouring into Mexico--on their way to the United States, of course!

    SEC. 117. COOPERATION WITH THE GOVERNMENT OF MEXICO.

      ©[The Secretary of State shall assist] in the development of economic opportunities and providing job training for citizens and nationals in Mexico.
      Now we're going to train the Mexicans to do the jobs that Americans won't do!
      (d) Consultation Requirement- Federal, State, and local representatives in the United States shall consult with their counterparts in Mexico concerning the construction of additional fencing and related border security structures along the international border between the United States and Mexico, as authorized by this title, before the commencement of any such construction in order to--
      (1) solicit the views of affected communities;
      (2) lessen tensions; and
      (3) foster greater understanding and stronger cooperation on this and other important security issues of mutual concern. [emphasis added]
      Where's Bill Clinton when you need him? What in the world does "consult" mean? Obviously it must mean more than "notify". Does it mean "obtain permission"? If so, how much fencing do you think will get built, regardless of how much has been authorized by this (or any other) bill?

    ---------------------

    I'll stop there for now. Does any of this bother any objectivists out there? For those that have researched the SPP proposals, do you agree that this bill is in lock-step with them, or do I need to put my tinfoil hat back on?

    The media debates whether this is an amnesty bill or not. I haven't heard anyone talk about any of these other issues though.

    I've already sent letters to the U.S. senators from my state (Florida -- Martinez & Nelson), as well as President Bush, asking them to shelve this monstrosity. since it's not time yet time to use bullets against public officials, I wrote the letters in the other language they would understand: Spanish.

  18. Jerks for Jesus

    Here's another little vid that is a response to the Phelps family...this guy rocks...hehehehehe:

    Re: The Phelps Family

    Ah yes. The lovable Phelps family. For a bunch of so-called "Bible-Believing" Baptists, they really should read their Scripture better. For ***EACH*** passage in Scripture condemning "fags" (homosexuality, not FAQ'S), there are ***FOUR*** condemning this ABOMINATION, this HORRENDOUS crime. But I see no mention of it on their web sites. <more>

  19. Looks like this new "comprehensive" bill has a lot more "gotchas" than even we expected. It's so comprehensive that it even requires the IRS to be involved, not just with the illegals. You won't even be able to hire a kid to mow your lawn without giving the kid your SSN & getting a verified work history from him for the last five years -- verified, of course , against a grand IRS employment database. Then you'll have to wait 10 days for a response from the IRS to hire him. You'll have to keep the records like they were your personal income tax records, for 3 years. This is getting worse and worse and worse....

    http://www.raleighchronicle.com/2007051707.html

  20. Ron Paul hasn't flipflopped on anything.

    How come he trounces everyone in the online polls, but the msm/print polls don't mention him? Granted, there's probably some "ballot stuffing" going on in the Dr. Paul camp, but who are the msm pollsters asking? Each other?

    "Gee, Mr. Fellow Traveller, what republican would YOU like to see lose against Hillary?"

    "Well, of course, Rosalito, I'd choose Giuliani. Why, I suppose you would like to see us tromp 'Sleeper Cell' McCain?"

    "Gee, I guess that puts the poll at 50-50 between Giuliani and McCain."

    "I guess you're right."

    RUDY'S LAST CHANCE:

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  21. Normally I don't like to speak ill of the dead, but ... what comes around goes around.
    I was glad to see at least one prominent intellectual refuse to bow down at the Falwell coffin.

    I was very impressed with Hitchen's criticism of Falwell's support of the worst elements in Israel. I also liked Hitchens pointing out some of those offensive statements Falwell had made about American Jews.

    I hope no person forgets Falwell and Pat Robertson's offensive comments at the time of 9-11.

    Verminous religious nutjob Jerry Falwell saw what his fellow verminous religious nutjobs did on 9/11...and blamed it on the feminists and gays. Guess he didn't own a mirror.
    May he rest in peace and not see his imaged Heaven nor his imagined Hell. He does not deserve either.

    Jerry Falwell was a tragic-comic figure in recent American history. Tragic, because with his great TV outreach he led so many of his mindless flock toward irrational ideas and theocratic politics. Comic, because he was so transparently ridiculous. He tended to make one ashamed of being an American; kind of like being sullied by association.

    Good old Barry Goldwater once said about Falwell: “Somebody ought to kick his ass.” Well, death just did.

    Hey. There's no groupthink happening here, is there.

    The primary difference between tragedy and black comedy can be characterized by the difference between the movie 'Fail Safe" and the movie "Dr. Strangelove". That is, the former sees a disastrous series of events, as the accidental if inevitable result of things out of man's control; whereas the latter sees the same disastrous series of events as the result of man's deliberate, insane stupidity.

    Seems to me with you all talking shit about the dead man, if you believed what you were saying you would put it under the Humour topic (as in black comedy) rather than under Rants.

    I mean, you're asserting crap about a "theocracy"; there are over 30,000 different xian denominations, which one gets to take up the mantle of state religion? I mean, really. They can't even get it together long enough to agree on ANYTHING, even their own assertions about "who is GOD?" These are the people you're demonizing as a bunch of statist pigs who are going to ruin our lives?.... LP is more likely to start an o-ist "state religion" a-la L. Ron Hubbard's admonition, than a bunch of air-headed xian preachers.

    Can you give me 98 cents change back from my buck?