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That's my basic point. There is absolutely NO moral comparison between Christianity today and islam today... ... and yet secular leftists constantly bring it up because they're LIARS.. The reason Europe (with the possible exception of brexiting UK) is crumbling in the face of the Islamic invasion is because it was founded on degenerate secular liberal socialist values. So the majority of Europeans are morally weak and have nothing in their secular libertine government dependent culture with which to resist the immigrant hoards... just as the immigrant hoards are offered nothing better with which to assimilate. In America today... the secular liberal democrats are the Islamic fascists ALLIES. Because the secular religion of leftist socialism is as morally degenerate as Islam. This makes them both antithetical to Judeo Christian values. So there is a reason the Constitution is mocked by secular leftists. It does not belong to their government worshipping political religion. The US Constitution was made only for decent people who govern themselves in accord with Judeo Christian values. It doesn't work for indecent people. So as people degenerate into immoral unproductive government parasites, it has to be violated in order to govern those who fail to govern themselves and who have rendered themselves undeserving of a decent government. Progressivism is a secular leftist political religion with government as its god. It is one of the fastest growing and most dynamic religions on Earth. Both secular leftism and Islam are ENEMIES of American values and American culture. Greg

You're right, Tony. The secular libertine radical left refuses to identify evil for what it is. Case in point: Radical Islam Overt evil is clearly identified in the Bible... ...but it goes much further than that by identifying covert evil which poses as good as being worse than overt evil. "The unholy which stands in the place of the Holy." This is what makes the secular radical libertine left, as well as the secular libertine extreme right, so corrosive to Western civilization. One corrodes from without by public behavior... while the other corrodes from within by personal behavior. Greg

You'd love him, Wolf. He's a secular statist like you. His screed, "A People's History of the United States" is the most widely read textbook in government medrasas. According to him America is purely secular statist nation which had nothing to do with Judeo Christian moral values. Right up your alley. Talking with you reminds me of how the secular libertine radical left and the secular libertine extreme right are alike in so many ways. You both share so many of the same values. Greg

No. There can be decent secular people and immoral religious people. It's about values. Religious doctrine is not what determines what's objectively right and wrong it's only a response to it. There can be moral doctrine as well as immoral doctrine, just as there are moral churches and immoral feminized leftist churches. I have no idea. I know nothing about them. Homosexual "marriage" is the joining of the secular political religion of feminized leftism and the State. No one complains about the separation of church and state when it's the promotion of feminized leftist immorality! Your question doesn't make any sense. There's no hell to "go to" as it's here. Each of us chooses to live in hell or paradise right here and now. America has already forfeit it's physical protection (2001) as well as it's financial providence (2008) and now its moral authority to lead the world. (2015) No one has yet noticed this latest loss. America is no longer leading the world. It's going to take a long time for this one to sink in because people are so dense and dulled. Greg

That's a perfectly valid question, Michael. And I'm happy to answer it. Not the children... but rather their parents. It's the IDIOT feminized liberal parents who exposed their own children to the potential of becoming collateral damage from mass murderers because of the feminized liberal politically correct government policy of gun free school zones. At the latest mass slaughter, the gun free zone school had only one unarmed "guard" because that is feminized liberal governmental public policy. As far as I'm concerned the blood of the massacred students is totally on their parents' hands because parents are personally responsible for the lives of their children. There is only secondary responsibility on the feminized liberal government, because the IDIOT feminized liberal parents CREATED the government in their own IDIOTIC image. Feminized liberals worship victimhood so much... they'll even sacrifice their own children on its altar. They're fucking lunatics. Have I made myself perfectly clear? Greg

This is a statement only an amoral secular leftist statist could ever make. In Judeo Christian America: "Fighting evil." In leftist secularist America: "Fighting IS evil." In secular leftist America legalism replaces morality. There is no morality... only moral equivalence... where there is no distinction made between good and evil. The secular leftist statist America in which Bob lives does not know why murder is wrong, because it does not know the difference between murder and destroying evil in defense of the good. Bob is in total agreement with Obama's weak amoral leftist pacifist foreign policy of "fighting is evil". Greg

That is the natural progression of leftist homosexual activists for whom perversion is a holy sacrament of their secular political religion. 1. Recognize 2. Acknowledge 3. Accept 4. Celebrate First you were a bigot for not recognizing homosexual perversion. Then you were a bigot for not acknowledging homosexual perversion. Then you were a bigot for not accepting homosexual perversion. And now you are a bigot for not celebrating homosexual perversion. So just get used to it because the leftist activists are as relentless as nazis and will never back down. It's their holy jihad. Greg

That's your subjective opinion as a secular libertine, Wolf. The objective reality is that at 69 I'm quite healthy and happy. I'm vegetarian and do physical work outside as well as gardening hiking and bicycling. I don't drink alcohol, use drugs, or smoke cigarettes or pot. I haven't taken so much as one aspirin in over 50 years. I'm happily married to a good woman and together we cleared land and built our own Galt's Gulch like modern day pioneers. Long ago a very wise man said: "Don't you know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is within you, whom you have received as a gift from God, and that you are not your own property? You were bought with a price and were actually purchased with the precious blood of Jesus and made His own. So then, honor and glorify God with your body." ...so I take good care of mine because I need it to do good by making the world a better place. And like any other high quality well maintained appliance, it's rewarding me with a long and useful service life. Doing what God advises me to do isn't the least bit irrational . It's perfectly logical because it's what's best for me and my life... and I have the results as my proof. What results do you have as proof that your life as a secular libertine is working out for you? (...crickets...) In my subjective opinion as a religious moralist, you're the sick puppy, Wolf. You're the sucker who got swindled by your own collectivist liberal fantasy that someone else would build your utopia for you and take care of you, instead of taking the individual personal initiative to build your own. Jeez, in your picture you look like a decomposing mushroom. Go outside and get some Sun. Greg

I'm speaking to you, not plenty of people. What's right isn't dependent upon how many people ascribe to it. Your view that it's "fallacious" is identical to Zinn's... even though you're on the right while he's on the left. This is just another example of how the secular libertine radical left and the secular libertine extreme right share so many of the same personal moral values. This is because the political spectrum is actually a circle... ... and if you go far enough to the right you'll meet up with the left on the dark side of the circle. Greg

A contentless baseless empty response, Wolf. Zinn pisses on Judeo Christian values just like you do... ...and it is this very fact which unites the secular libertine radical left with the secular libertine extreme right. They both share the same personal (im)morality. Greg

This is another in the fascinating series of cutting-edge Prager University videos. The University motto is: "We teach what isn't taught." You would never find ideas like this in the secular leftist government funded anti-American medrasas. The video only been up two days and is already viral with 160,000 views. Greg

Yes it is... but being a secular libertine, you haven't the foggiest notion of what that means. Well, I had just said that you're clueless, and your comment confirms it yet again. That actually means that an individual is constantly held morally accountable for their actions. Both you and I are getting exactly what we each deserve as the consequences of our own actions. That is what it means to be morally accountable. Our two views on this will always differ. I'm just stating my view to clearly contrast it to yours. That's the liberal view of subjective feelings of comfort determining your morality. You're firmly in their camp on that topic. The behavior of an extreme right wing secular libertine is indistinguishable from that of a radical leftist libertine. Greg

I don't consider freedom of religion "mere" either. England had a state religion. America does not... and the Founding Fathers wanted to make certain none would ever be established. ...but what they never thought would happen is that the secular political religion of liberal socialism would infiltrate the US government.There is no "separation of church and state" there, for secular liberal socialism has become the state religion. It is taught in public schools and government universities and propogandized in the media. And right now half the government and half the population subscribes to its secular political religious beliefs and lives by its secular libertine values. So when secularists go on and on and on about "separation of church and state"... ...they're NEVER talking about THEIR religion! Greg

All this ad hominem you indulge in sometimes makes you sound like a feminized conservative male. That's fine with me, Brant. You're just as free to believe that a feminized liberal male is a match for an American woman, as I'm free to believe they aren't. Greg We have yet to deal with the feminized liberal female--or are they off the charts? --Brant Females who failed to become women are naturally feminized liberals like Pelosi. And when that feminized liberal nature nature resides within males who failed to become men, you get Obama, Kerry, and Reid. Women, on the other hand, are Conservative Americans... like Sarah. Greg

You share so many views values and behavior with amoral libertine secular leftists, Wolf. These affinities which unite the secular radical left to the secular extreme right, explain why justice to you only means lawyers and judges and legalisms... ...but not morality. Greg

Today, the fastest growing, most powerful religion in America is secular leftism. With a benefits dispensing government bureaucracy as its god, secular leftists are hard at work with the goal of expunging all religious references from American culture. They're actually quite good at it. First there is a legal damage complaint of someone being emotionally offended, or of some minority group feeling excluded or discriminated against. Then the claim works its way through the bowels of the leftist legal system until it becomes law. Secular leftists don't realize that when they abandon God to worship the government they created in their own narcissistic image... by default, they also forfeit God's moral protection and providence. America's greatness was in its moral goodness. Today, secular leftist America is no longer great because it is no longer good as it sinks into the cesspool of becoming just another dime a dozen secular European liberal socialist welfare state. This is because America has given up it's moral protection as well as its economic providence. So what will happen soon is just one foregone conclusion of many more, to what has already happened. Greg

The last war the US Military won was Korea. A free democratic and prosperous South Korea is the result. When the US left Vietnam in defeat, there was a bloodbath. Iraq was actually a modest success. It was with a relatively peaceful stable... ... until Obama declared defeat and removed the US military presence. When the US left Vietnam in defeat from political pressure of the feminized left, there was a bloodbath. The US leaves Iraq in defeat declared by a feminized leftist Obama, and now there's a bloodbath. Politically correct feminized leftists simply CANNOT win wars. Greg

The three Holy Sacraments of your secular religion: dope, perversion, and abortion... aren't liberty. They're libertine... and libertine is not liberty. It is liberty's antithesis. The American form of government was designed to work only for decent people. It will not work for the indecent. So the only reason it is no longer working is that there are no longer enough decent people in America. Now, an UNconstitutional government is fit to govern indecent people. That is exactly what they deserve so that is exactly what they're getting right now. Greg

I eat vegetables grains nuts fruit eggs and a little diary so there's really no need to get anything in my diet. There's also no reason to take aspirins either, although I believe it's just fine for others to compensate for the consequences of their lifestyle in any way they see fit to do so. We have our own blood pressure monitor and test anytime we want at home. It makes secular libertine intellectuals (not necessarily you) feel good about themselves to piss on God... ... but what they don't realize is that they're also pissing on the objective reality of totally rational Divinely designed time tested moral standards of behavior which exist for our own health and happiness so we can live a good quality life and become better people. Satan made an offer to Job: "Curse God and die." ...and he is still making the very same offer today... and the dumb secular libertines are flocking to him to take him up on his offer to feel good about themselves instead of actually being good. Doing what's morally right is for our own good... not God's. Greg

That would all depend on whether the god is Good or evil. With just that one short sentence you wrote, you have just explained why your weak amoral libertine secular government worshipping nation is such tempting low hanging fruit which is so easily being assimilated by Islam. Secular government dependent lambs with no moral standards deserve to be led to the slaughter by evil people with no moral standards. It's rather poetic justice. Greg

Those impotent Muslim voices of reason are pitifully too few and just too damned weak. A parallel just struck me... Just as radical Islamic fascists have hijacked Islam... radical secular leftists have hijacked liberalism. The only thing between Western civilization and the Islamic fascists is Judeo Christian values. Abandon those for libertine secularism and there is only European surrender... ...and the Islamic fascists KNOW this. It's their ace in the hole. They KNOW they're stronger than secular libertines because with those useful idiots as their allies they enable the Islamists to be stronger. Greg

It's common for secular feminized leftist libertines to pervert religious principles because they lack the personal ethics by which to understand them. Your reaction is understandable because provides you with a false religious "graven image" to hate. What you don't understand is that "pray for your enemies" refers to your own personal enemies... people with whom you have personally interacted... people who have personally wronged you. And this is why you could never be expected to understand moral values you don't live by. The pope, being a feminized leftist, strikes their well worn pose of fake mercy... while he embraces the left's equally well worn weak immoral lack of justice. Greg Are you saying that you do believe that Jesus was a brawling he-man neo-con? (snip ugliness) I'm saying that you're only creating an ugly false image in order to hate it, because there is no way you would ever understand what you don't live by. Your ugly attitude will be a constant obstacle in your life, which is what you deserve. Greg

It's common for secular feminized leftist libertines to pervert religious principles because they lack the personal ethics by which to understand them. Your reaction is understandable because provides you with a false religious "graven image" to hate. What you don't understand is that "pray for your enemies" refers to your own personal enemies... people with whom you have personally interacted... people who have personally wronged you. And this is why you could never be expected to understand moral values you don't live by. The pope, being a feminized leftist, strikes their well worn pose of fake mercy... while he embraces the left's equally well worn weak immoral lack of justice. Greg

If religion is belief in God Atheism is the religion of belief in no god. The faith referenced for both is exactly the same. Only the object or lack thereof is different. Atheism goes hand in hand with the secular political religion of liberalism... belief in the State. Again exactly the same faith. "When a man stops believing in God he doesnt then believe in nothing, he believes anything." --Chesterton Leftist secularism and faith in the leftist State both result from the same feminized insanity. Greg