My AmazonReview of "The Reasonable Woman," allegedly by Wendy McElroy

[George H. Smith]

If I thought for a nanosecond that George would beat up a women, I would fling him to the wolves....

This is what happened to the last guy dumb enough to take a swing at Sharon.

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Ghs

[caroljane]

That "Weird All" thing has a ring to it...

Something I can't put my finger on...

Hmmmmm....

But I like it...

Michael

[/quhh}

Michael dear brother--in your heart you know it's right!

Weirdly.

Carol Jane

[George H. Smith]

...[/quhh}

[/quhh} ????

That's not even ballpark close.

Creative writing doesn't work with html tags.

Ghs

[caroljane]

...[/quhh}

[/quhh} ????

That's not even ballpark close.

Creative writing doesn't work with html tags.

Ghs

Little you know, George H.Smith, quhh is an an ancient blessing of the Sacred Igloo, there is nothing creative about it, your tags are the devils work anyway, everybody says so.

[Brant Gaede]

Well, if that's true, Brant, so much for my theory. Never trust the experts. Maybe he has a thing for Wendy? Or maybe he's just a hateful person who needs to spew against someone. One thing is for sure though. Anyone who spews like that against someone he doesn't even know reveals more about himself (or herself in the case of the W) than it does about the person to whom the hate is directed.

But, but, but I am an expert!

--Brant

gee--self-esteem issues

[slpresley]

Sharon,

I think it's a bit of both--unresolved identity issues and frustrations + anonymity and audience.

Forum behavior often reminds me of road rage.

The common points seem to be to (1) acute feeling of competition with whoever is near, (2) if the near person is not obedient or easily trounced, unconditionally blaming that person for just about everything, and (3) lashing out in hatred at the engaged near person.

Audience is one difference between forum behavior and road rage. With road rage, it is not really an important factor. But on forums, the audience both sweetens the deal (as this poor soul bears his chest, thumps on it and lets out a Tarzan yell) and intimidates him with unbearable shame. He already can't stand to be wrong. But it can get worse. He perceives being wrong in front of others as the ultimate in being a loser. It is a raging blaze hell on earth. So he has to lash out.

Now imagine if you feel lousy that way, but you can do dirty rotten stuff to others and remain totally anonymous. Voila. Instant riskless machismo that isn't confined to the inside of this poor sucker's head. You have to really know who you are to resist that sweet poison. But if you are weak in the character department, like our poor loser, it is pure balsaminaceous nirvana. A short-lived one, granted, but nirvana nevertheless.

I'm not in anybody's head, of course, but I have detected lots of signs that point to this conclusion from oodles of experience posting on forums and running this one.

Michael

Hey, Michael, you could get a job as a psychologist! I like this analysis! And haven't we all (weird all of us) seen plenty of this?

[slpresley]

If I thought for a nanosecond that George would beat up a women, I would fling him to the wolves....

This is what happened to the last guy dumb enough to take a swing at Sharon.

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Ghs

And don't any of you forget it!

[slpresley]

It seems Jim didn't know who George was until the fire died down and realized he had one of his atheism books....

Correct. Jim said later that he didn't realize I wrote ATCAG until after he made his "beater of women" remark. And, as I have noted before, I am absolutely certain that he doesn't know Wendy or Brad.

On A2, before he signed the retraction, Jim asked if I would sign his copy of ATCAG if he traveled to meet me. This was a conciliatory gesture, obviously, but I guess I was not in a conciliatory mood. I replied that I would sign his copy of ATCAG only if Jim cut his own throat so I could use his blood as ink.

Jim misread my remark, as is his wont, and then complained that I had threatened to slit his throat.

For this and other reasons, I think Jim shoots off replies very quickly, frequently without giving his posts much thought, and without reading the post to which he is responding very carefully.

Ghs

And this guy is supposed to be a lawyer? Yikes! Did he graduate at the bottom of his class? I thought lawyers were supposed to pay attention to detail. Or maybe he is humor challenged. Very angry people often are. Then he must have a really hard time on this forum, which appears to be full of jokesters and wiseacres, and I say that fondly.

[Brant Gaede]

It seems Jim didn't know who George was until the fire died down and realized he had one of his atheism books....

Correct. Jim said later that he didn't realize I wrote ATCAG until after he made his "beater of women" remark. And, as I have noted before, I am absolutely certain that he doesn't know Wendy or Brad.

On A2, before he signed the retraction, Jim asked if I would sign his copy of ATCAG if he traveled to meet me. This was a conciliatory gesture, obviously, but I guess I was not in a conciliatory mood. I replied that I would sign his copy of ATCAG only if Jim cut his own throat so I could use his blood as ink.

Jim misread my remark, as is his wont, and then complained that I had threatened to slit his throat.

For this and other reasons, I think Jim shoots off replies very quickly, frequently without giving his posts much thought, and without reading the post to which he is responding very carefully.

Ghs

And this guy is supposed to be a lawyer? Yikes! Did he graduate at the bottom of his class? I thought lawyers were supposed to pay attention to detail. Or maybe he is humor challenged. Very angry people often are. Then he must have a really hard time on this forum, which appears to be full of jokesters and wiseacres, and I say that fondly.

"On the forum" is correct. I could respect him if he had the balls to post in this forum (and not run away like 3 or 4 before him).

--Brant

[Brant Gaede]

And this guy is supposed to be a lawyer? Yikes! Did he graduate at the bottom of his class? I thought lawyers were supposed to pay attention to detail. Or maybe he is humor challenged. Very angry people often are. Then he must have a really hard time on this forum, which appears to be full of jokesters and wiseacres, and I say that fondly.

It's a matter of which bar he passed. I understand California is the toughest (you need not go to law school to pass the bar). New York is tough too. JFK jr had to take it, what?, three times. He should have spent the same effort mastering instrument flight. He flew to his death out of the airport at Caldwell, NJ, where I once flew my flying club aircrafts out of--and Teterboro too. He wasn't so smart. His Dad was a little smarter but seemed smarter than he was because he talked well and Daddy's money. Ever so often I pass the place in Tucson where I watched the Senator drive pass in an open convertible in 1960, scarfing up delegates for his nomination to his incompetent Presidency. Eight years later I watched his brother, Robert, give an impromptu speech on the back of a truck on his way to his assassination in LA two months later. He looked good, he spoke good. Very dangerous man. Then all that was left was Teddy--and de facto homicide by cowardice and power-lust.

--Brant

I preferred the old man, who destroyed his clan with his money, hubris and elan

[Brant Gaede]

And this guy is supposed to be a lawyer? Yikes! Did he graduate at the bottom of his class? I thought lawyers were supposed to pay attention to detail. Or maybe he is humor challenged. Very angry people often are. Then he must have a really hard time on this forum, which appears to be full of jokesters and wiseacres, and I say that fondly.

It's a matter of which bar he passed. I understand California is the toughest (you need not go to law school to take and pass pass that bar). New York is tough too. JFK jr had to take it, what?, three times (my step-Mother, once). He should have spent the same effort really mastering instrument flight. He flew to his death out of the airport at Caldwell, NJ, where I once flew my flying club aircrafts out of--and Teterboro too. He wasn't so smart. His Dad was a little smarter but seemed smarter than he was because he talked well and Daddy's money. Every so often I pass the place in Tucson on Stone Ave. where I watched the Senator drive pass in an open convertible in 1960, scarfing up delegates for his nomination to his incompetent Presidency. Eight years later I watched his brother, Robert, give an impromptu speech on the back of a truck at the University of Arizona on his way to his assassination in LA two months later. He looked good, he spoke good. Very dangerous man. Then all that was left was Teddy--and de facto homicide by cowardice and power-lust. I only feel sorry for Rose, perhaps out of ignorance, who lived long enough to experience most of it

--Brant

I preferred the old man, who destroyed his clan with his money, hubris and elan: fuck his sons, and they all got fucked, natch

Edited July 3, 2011 by Brant Gaede

[caroljane]

And this guy is supposed to be a lawyer? Yikes! Did he graduate at the bottom of his class? I thought lawyers were supposed to pay attention to detail. Or maybe he is humor challenged. Very angry people often are. Then he must have a really hard time on this forum, which appears to be full of jokesters and wiseacres, and I say that fondly.

It's a matter of which bar he passed. I understand California is the toughest (you need not go to law school to take and pass pass that bar). New York is tough too. JFK jr had to take it, what?, three times (my step-Mother, once). He should have spent the same effort really mastering instrument flight. He flew to his death out of the airport at Caldwell, NJ, where I once flew my flying club aircrafts out of--and Teterboro too. He wasn't so smart. His Dad was a little smarter but seemed smarter than he was because he talked well and Daddy's money. Every so often I pass the place in Tucson on Stone Ave. where I watched the Senator drive pass in an open convertible in 1960, scarfing up delegates for his nomination to his incompetent Presidency. Eight years later I watched his brother, Robert, give an impromptu speech on the back of a truck at the University of Arizona on his way to his assassination in LA two months later. He looked good, he spoke good. Very dangerous man. Then all that was left was Teddy--and de facto homicide by cowardice and power-lust. I only feel sorry for Rose, perhaps out of ignorance, who lived long enough to experience most of it

--Brant

I preferred the old man, who destroyed his clan with his money, hubris and elan: fuck his sons, and they all got fucked, natch

I don't feel so sorry for old Rose. She had her inconveniently retarded daughter lobotomized and sent away from the family, as she was extra weight on the campaign train.

There was an Edwin O'Connor novel about Joe Kennedy- I forget the name, and what he called the clan, but I remember one scene. Joe's having a big outdoor reception for some occasion, and an old down-on-his-luck Irish enemy is standing on the sidewalk outside roaring:

"I hope it rains and rains and rains like the hammers of hell [Joe Kennedy], all over you and your goddamned garden party!"

You have to admit that eventually, it sure did rain.

[George H. Smith]

And this guy is supposed to be a lawyer? Yikes! Did he graduate at the bottom of his class? I thought lawyers were supposed to pay attention to detail. Or maybe he is humor challenged. Very angry people often are. Then he must have a really hard time on this forum, which appears to be full of jokesters and wiseacres, and I say that fondly.

It's a matter of which bar he passed. I understand California is the toughest (you need not go to law school to take and pass pass that bar). New York is tough too. JFK jr had to take it, what?, three times (my step-Mother, once). He should have spent the same effort really mastering instrument flight. He flew to his death out of the airport at Caldwell, NJ, where I once flew my flying club aircrafts out of--and Teterboro too. He wasn't so smart. His Dad was a little smarter but seemed smarter than he was because he talked well and Daddy's money. Every so often I pass the place in Tucson on Stone Ave. where I watched the Senator drive pass in an open convertible in 1960, scarfing up delegates for his nomination to his incompetent Presidency. Eight years later I watched his brother, Robert, give an impromptu speech on the back of a truck at the University of Arizona on his way to his assassination in LA two months later. He looked good, he spoke good. Very dangerous man. Then all that was left was Teddy--and de facto homicide by cowardice and power-lust. I only feel sorry for Rose, perhaps out of ignorance, who lived long enough to experience most of it

--Brant

I preferred the old man, who destroyed his clan with his money, hubris and elan: fuck his sons, and they all got fucked, natch

During the 1980s, during my tenure as Executive Editor for Knowledge Products, I flew to Nashville every couple months to act as technical adviser during recording sessions. On one of my trips our business manager showed me a letter from JFK Jr. He wanted to know if he could get a "student discount" for subscribing to our "Great Political Thinkers Thinkers" series. (I wrote most of the tapes for that series.) I don't believe we gave him a student discount, but he subscribed anyway.

I wanted to keep that letter, but our business manager claimed dibs on it before I could.

A number of celebrities subscribed to the KP "Great Political Thinkers" series, including Nick Nolte (who had two subscriptions -- a separate one for his wife) and James Woods.

Ghs

[9thdoctor]

Nine Doctors [who must be a Dr. Who fan???]

JFK jr had to take it, what?, three times.

Hillary Clinton flunked it too, but was able to pass in Arkansas.

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

Passing the bar is one thing. Any old lawyer has to do that.

Setting the bar ever higher throughout life is quite another. I don't know any lawyer who does that.

Michael

[Brant Gaede]

I don't feel so sorry for old Rose. She had her inconveniently retarded daughter lobotomized and sent away from the family, as she was extra weight on the campaign train.

Boy, that makes her worst of all in my book, though Joe did the most damage. He should have stuck to bootlicking and stock manipulation.

--Brant

[Brant Gaede]

Passing the bar is one thing. Any old lawyer has to do that.

Setting the bar ever higher throughout life is quite another. I don't know any lawyer who does that.

Michael

Wha's the name of that dance where the bar is set lower and lower? The Lumbego, or something.

--Brant

[Selene]

Passing the bar is one thing. Any old lawyer has to do that.

Setting the bar ever higher throughout life is quite another. I don't know any lawyer who does that.

Michael

Wha's the name of that dance where the bar is set lower and lower? The Lumbego, or something.

--Brant

The limbo

Limbo Wiki here

The history of "limbo"

The word 'limbo' is used to denote a form of dance that dates back to the 1950s. Limbo is a West Indian English derivative of 'limber'. Limber is a sixteenth century word used in the dialectical sense to refer to a cart shaft, alluding to its to and for motion. "Consistent with certain African beliefs, the dance reflects the whole cycle of life".^[1] "The dancers move under a pole that is gradually lowered from chest level, and they emerge on the other side, as their heads clear the pole, as in the triumph of life over death".^[1] This dance is also used as a funeral dance and may be related to the African legba or legua dance.^[2]

Edited July 3, 2011 by Selene

[Brant Gaede]

And this guy is supposed to be a lawyer? Yikes! Did he graduate at the bottom of his class? I thought lawyers were supposed to pay attention to detail. Or maybe he is humor challenged. Very angry people often are. Then he must have a really hard time on this forum, which appears to be full of jokesters and wiseacres, and I say that fondly.

It's a matter of which bar he passed. I understand California is the toughest (you need not go to law school to take and pass pass that bar). New York is tough too. JFK jr had to take it, what?, three times (my step-Mother, once). He should have spent the same effort really mastering instrument flight. He flew to his death out of the airport at Caldwell, NJ, where I once flew my flying club aircrafts out of--and Teterboro too. He wasn't so smart. His Dad was a little smarter but seemed smarter than he was because he talked well and Daddy's money. Every so often I pass the place in Tucson on Stone Ave. where I watched the Senator drive pass in an open convertible in 1960, scarfing up delegates for his nomination to his incompetent Presidency. Eight years later I watched his brother, Robert, give an impromptu speech on the back of a truck at the University of Arizona on his way to his assassination in LA two months later. He looked good, he spoke good. Very dangerous man. Then all that was left was Teddy--and de facto homicide by cowardice and power-lust. I only feel sorry for Rose, perhaps out of ignorance, who lived long enough to experience most of it

--Brant

I preferred the old man, who destroyed his clan with his money, hubris and elan: fuck his sons, and they all got fucked, natch

During the 1980s, during my tenure as Executive Editor for Knowledge Products, I flew to Nashville every couple months to act as technical adviser during recording sessions. On one of my trips our business manager showed me a letter from JFK Jr. He wanted to know if he could get a "student discount" for subscribing to our "Great Political Thinkers Thinkers" series. (I wrote most of the tapes for that series.) I don't believe we gave him a student discount, but he subscribed anyway.

I wanted to keep that letter, but our business manager claimed dibs on it before I could.

A number of celebrities subscribed to the KP "Great Political Thinkers" series, including Nick Nolte (who had two subscriptions -- a separate one for his wife) and James Woods.

Ghs

I only have one bitch against junior: He loaded up his airplane with passengers and went night flying into instrument conditions. I remember my instructor who illegally flew us into clouds and gave me the controls. My body wouldn't let me believe the instruments and just before I completely lost it he took back the airplane otherwise I would have planted it in the ground just as assuredly the President's son planted his plane into the ocean.

--Brant

[George H. Smith]

Passing the bar is one thing. Any old lawyer has to do that.

Setting the bar ever higher throughout life is quite another. I don't know any lawyer who does that.

Michael

Wha's the name of that dance where the bar is set lower and lower? The Lumbego, or something.

--Brant

The limbo

Limbo Wiki here

The history of "limbo"

The word 'limbo' is used to denote a form of dance that dates back to the 1950s. Limbo is a West Indian English derivative of 'limber'. Limber is a sixteenth century word used in the dialectical sense to refer to a cart shaft, alluding to its to and for motion. "Consistent with certain African beliefs, the dance reflects the whole cycle of life".^[1] "The dancers move under a pole that is gradually lowered from chest level, and they emerge on the other side, as their heads clear the pole, as in the triumph of life over death".^[1] This dance is also used as a funeral dance and may be related to the African legba or legua dance.^[2]

Ghs

[Brant Gaede]

Yeah. The limbo causes lumbago.

--Brant

in there pitching

[Xray]

People are not hateful like that for no reason at all.

True. Behind every action taken, there is a motive, or a cluster of motives.

Jim [the lawyer? Have I got it right this time????] --I think he is just envious of George. Some losers really hate those who are well-thought-of. For that matter, he may envy George's sexual past---let me not get too Freudian here--though there are times when Freud gets it right. Whatever may be the reason, he was NOT disinterested, not with that rant.

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Messed up, weak ego plus a dash of sexual frustration plus envied target = venomous spewing with a dash of reaction formation.

Imo these explanations regarding Jim's possible motive(s) underlying his behavior make a lot of sense.

...., I think Jim shoots off replies very quickly, frequently without giving his posts much thought, and without reading the post to which he is responding very carefully.

And this guy is supposed to be a lawyer? Yikes! Did he graduate at the bottom of his class? I thought lawyers were supposed to pay attention to detail.

When I first read Jim's totally chaotic attacks, I thought "If that is a lawyer, I'll eat my true crime paperbacks!".

But then he might indeed be the very opposite of a top-notch lawyer. Comments like the following seem to indicate this:

"I do think he is a beater of women, but I don't have proof. Nor am I seeking it." [Jim on LL2]

Neither having proof nor seeking it. Priceless!

Then he goes on:

"If you or anyone wants to make wild accusations of me in retribution, go right ahead." [Jim on LL2]

Now he invites his opponents to a repartee, as if that would magically 'erase' his own previous nonsense.

Looks like an act of "undoing" to me.

Edited July 3, 2011 by Xray

[Selene]

True. Behind every action taken, there is a motive, or a cluster of motives.

Ahh, hence the derivation of the cluster fuck. A group of attorneys negotiating!

[caroljane]

True. Behind every action taken, there is a motive, or a cluster of motives.

Ahh, hence the derivation of the cluster fuck. A group of attorneys negotiating!

First, let's not kill allthe lawyers. Our OL friend and valued lodge Brother PDS is one of them.

I myself got a good LSAT score and was encouraged to go to law school, by a professor who told me "You think like a lawyer", though I am not sure that was a compliment even from him. I didn't go, because I knew I would never be willing to work that hard, but I have a lingering respect for those who were.

Also, my favourite part of unionizing was the meetings with the local's lawyer and hearing his wonderful, hilarious war stories which illustrated just how breathtakingly wrongheaded and dumb our glorious workers can be, outdone in boneheadedness only by their management opponents.

[Selene]

O'biwan is a lawyer...

Biden is a lawyer...

The prosecution rests.