Diehard attempt to enlighten Electors re:Obama not U.S.citizen

[BaalChatzaf]

In the meanwhile, www.campaignforliberty.com continues to grow in number: 97926 97930 97946

gulch

Those numbers are positively underwhelming. Do you keep score when you are watching paint dry?

Ba'al Chatzaf

[Chris Grieb]

Galt; I finally looked at some of your material in your first post.

I wouldn't send a stray dog to the pound on that evidence.

[galtgulch]

Here is a link to an article showing that the attempt to have the Constitution adhered to is still alive and will be continued even after Obama sworn in:

http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=86325

And here is still another:

http://www.newsmax.com/index.html

Newsmax

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Barack Obama is "Senator Jekyll and President Hyde."

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Dear American Patriot,

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On the eve of Mr. Obama's inauguation we find that his Treasury Secretary nominee Geithner did not pay his IRS taxes and hired an illegal alein. Geithner is either lying about it or ignored the INF written notices and forgot he signed documents that he knew he had to pay according to the WSJ. He is surrounding himself with more thugs that ignor the law.

I intend to expose and bring to trial every illegal action the man has done and will do -- starting with his trampling of the U.S. Constitution by his refusal to confirm his natural born citizenship.

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Incidental note that the membership in the Campaign For Liberty stands at 99757 this morning and is already up to 99774 by 11AM.

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gulch

Edited January 19, 2009 by galtgulch

[Chris Grieb]

Galt; When I read the story about the Electoral College vote I did not see about any member objecting to any vote. I assume that means your hero Ron Paul accepts Obama's legitimacy. This might suggest that Ron Paul doesn't find the arguments you have posted to be convincing or Ron Paul really doesn't care about the country.

[Reidy]

If the Newsmax memo in #78 is a "confidential legal brief"

1. Why are they sending it out to such a wide distribution?

2. Shouldn't you have respected this confidentiality and kept it to yourself? (God knows you wouldn't have gotten any complaints from us.) Your profile says you're a physician, so you must understand the issue. A possible explanation is that you don't take these people any more seriously than we do.

Edited January 19, 2009 by Reidy

[Selene]

Reidy:

No the MD stands for manic depressive!

Just a joke Gulch.

Adam

[galtgulch]

Evidently state legislators and military want to make sure Obama is the real deal before they follow his orders:

http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=88646

I am just bringing these efforts to your attention.

gulch

[BaalChatzaf]

Evidently state legislators and military want to make sure Obama is the real deal before they follow his orders:

http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=88646

I am just bringing these efforts to your attention.

gulch

Barak, the Pretender. Barak, the Userper. Barka, the Ugandan Candidate.

I prefer Barak the Unready.

Ba'al Chatzaf

[Alfonso Jones]

Evidently state legislators and military want to make sure Obama is the real deal before they follow his orders:

http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=88646

I am just bringing these efforts to your attention.

gulch

Barak, the Pretender. Barak, the Userper. Barka, the Ugandan Candidate.

I prefer Barak the Unready.

Ba'al Chatzaf

Sounds like a character out of a Robert Howard novel.

"Coming soon to a movie theater near you . . . . 'Barak the Usurper!'"

Bill P

[BaalChatzaf]

Evidently state legislators and military want to make sure Obama is the real deal before they follow his orders:

http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=88646

I am just bringing these efforts to your attention.

gulch

Barak, the Pretender. Barak, the Userper. Barka, the Ugandan Candidate.

I prefer Barak the Unready.

Ba'al Chatzaf

Sounds like a character out of a Robert Howard novel.

"Coming soon to a movie theater near you . . . . 'Barak the Usurper!'"

Bill P

What is best Barak? ::: Getting elected. Hearing the lament of the Republicans.

Yes. That is Best.

Ba'al Chatzaf

[Chris Grieb]

Baal; Your last post is very funny.

Gulch's efforts are at least giving me a good laugh.

[Selene]

Can we put this to rest now Gulch?

Judge Blasts Cases Doubting Obama's Citizenship

Thursday, March 5, 2009 6:33 PM

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WASHINGTON -- A federal judge on Thursday threw out a lawsuit questioning President Barack Obama's citizenship, lambasting the case as a waste of the court's time and suggesting the plaintiff's attorney may have to compensate the president's lawyer.

In an argument popular on the Internet and taken seriously practically nowhere else, Obama's critics argue he is ineligible to be president because he is not a "natural-born citizen" as the Constitution requires.

In response last summer, Obama's campaign posted his Hawaiian birth certificate on its Web site. But the lawsuit argues it is a fake and that Obama was actually born in his father's homeland of Kenya, even though Hawaiian officials have said the document is authentic.

"This case, if it were allowed to proceed, would deserve mention in one of those books that seek to prove that the law is foolish or that America has too many lawyers with not enough to do," U.S. District Judge James Robertson said in his written opinion.

The lawsuit didn't even use Obama's legal name but called him "Barry Soetoro," the name he went by while attending elementary school in Indonesia. It's one of many that has been filed claiming Obama is ineligible to serve as president.

Robertson ordered plaintiff's attorney John Hemenway of Colorado Springs, Colo., to show why he hasn't violated court rules barring frivolous and harassing cases and shouldn't have to pay Obama's attorney, Bob Bauer, for his time arguing that the case should be thrown out.

© 2009 Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

[galtgulch]

Can we put this to rest now Gulch?

Judge Blasts Cases Doubting Obama's Citizenship

Thursday, March 5, 2009 6:33 PM

Article Font Size

WASHINGTON -- A federal judge on Thursday threw out a lawsuit questioning President Barack Obama's citizenship, lambasting the case as a waste of the court's time and suggesting the plaintiff's attorney may have to compensate the president's lawyer.

In an argument popular on the Internet and taken seriously practically nowhere else, Obama's critics argue he is ineligible to be president because he is not a "natural-born citizen" as the Constitution requires.

In response last summer, Obama's campaign posted his Hawaiian birth certificate on its Web site. But the lawsuit argues it is a fake and that Obama was actually born in his father's homeland of Kenya, even though Hawaiian officials have said the document is authentic.

"This case, if it were allowed to proceed, would deserve mention in one of those books that seek to prove that the law is foolish or that America has too many lawyers with not enough to do," U.S. District Judge James Robertson said in his written opinion.

The lawsuit didn't even use Obama's legal name but called him "Barry Soetoro," the name he went by while attending elementary school in Indonesia. It's one of many that has been filed claiming Obama is ineligible to serve as president.

Robertson ordered plaintiff's attorney John Hemenway of Colorado Springs, Colo., to show why he hasn't violated court rules barring frivolous and harassing cases and shouldn't have to pay Obama's attorney, Bob Bauer, for his time arguing that the case should be thrown out.

© 2009 Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

Ba'al,

If only a judge would take seriously the issue brought up by the question of just what was meant when the Founders chose to use the concept "natural born."

The judge you quote uses a kind of sophistry to dismiss the lawsuit. His comment falls in the category of ad hominem rather than seeking the intended meaning of the natural born criterion. For if the Founders meant that both parents of a future president should both be American citizens so that the child destined to be president would not have to deal with the influence of a parent or two who would be loyal to a foreign country.

I am reminded of the article by Henry Mark Holzer, Ayn Rand's lawyer, on The Constitution and the Draft. Ten men had challenged the Selective Service Act of 1917 all the way to the Supreme Court. I read that article at an age when the war was raging in Viet Nam and I was subject to the draft, having registered with the Draft Board at White Hall Street in Brooklyn made infamous by Arlo, or was it Woody, Guthrie's anti war song, Alice's Restaurant. Needless to say I expected that the Justices, who had to reason the way I do, would have found that the Selective Service draft was a clear kind of "involuntary servitude," hence un constitutional! I eagerly obtained the article and read it filled with anticipation to see how the justices of the Supreme Court reasoned.

My respect for the Supreme Court justices sank and I felt crushed with despair. There was a reference to the fact that Article 1 Section 8 empowered the Congress to raise an army therefor that it was justified and constitutional to use coercion to do so. How else would power be interpreted than to use force!

Your judge who heard the question raised chose to conclude that the lawsuit is frivolous. It is not but that doesn't matter to him.

These men have become skilled in the artful use of sophistry to interpret anything in such a way as to empower the state.

This will not end until there are enough men and women who see the world as rational Objectivists do. Notice I imply that there is such an animal as an irrational Objectivist!

www.campaignforliberty.com 6Mar 11PM 105909, 3PM 105954; 8Mar 6AM 106010

gulch

Edited March 8, 2009 by galtgulch

[Selene]

Gulch:

I am not arguing with you just bringing you up to date.

Also, it is Adam, lol. It was Arlo with Alice's Restaurant and I too had the Whitehall wave looming also. I was going to claim conscientious objection using a unique claim because I had read the Schenk case.

"We admit that in many places and in ordinary times the defendants in saying all that was said in the circular would have been within their constitutional rights. But the character of every act depends upon the circumstances in which it is done."

And one of the most misquoted lines from Justice Holmes' decision:

"The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic. It does not even protect a man from an injunction against uttering words that may have all the effect of force. Gompers v. Buck's Stove & Range Co., 221 U. S. 418, 439, 31 Sup. Ct. 492, 55 L. ed. 797, 34 L. R. A. (N. S.) 874." << Bucks Stove is one of my favorite cases on contempt

249 U.S. 47 < link to Schenck

Adam

[Chris Grieb]

Adam; I believe in the Selective Draft Cases the decision was actually written by Justice McReynolds. Justice McReynolds said that comparing the draft to slavery ignored that fact that man had "supreme and noble to duty to defend his country." Justice McReynolds also later in his career on the High Court gave the country Miller case which the Hiller decision by the Supreme Court overturned and the Court said that there was an individual right to keep and bear arms.

It interesting that Justice McReynolds is always described as a conservative Justice. He was of the reasons FDR tried to pack the Court after the 1936 election.

[galtgulch]

Adam; I believe in the Selective Draft Cases the decision was actually written by Justice McReynolds. Justice McReynolds said that comparing the draft to slavery ignored that fact that man had "supreme and noble to duty to defend his country." Justice McReynolds also later in his career on the High Court gave the country Miller case which the Hiller decision by the Supreme Court overturned and the Court said that there was an individual right to keep and bear arms.

It interesting that Justice McReynolds is always described as a conservative Justice. He was of the reasons FDR tried to pack the Court after the 1936 election.

It is easier to understand the meaning of the concept that ideas move the world when one encounters the thinking and rationale of a Supreme Court Judge who considers that one's "duty to defend his country" is "supreme and noble" and takes precedence over one's right to be free of "involuntary servitude."

Hence the urgency to enlighten the populace with the ideas which we know to be true and better than the ones which prevail, e.g. Objectivist premises in the realms of metaphysics, epistemology and ethics. Economic theories which we know are true will not be accepted if they are in conflict with the prevailing ethics.

In the Wikipedia entry on the Thirteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution it is interpreted as:

In Butler v. Perry, 240 U.S. 328 (1916), the Supreme Court ruled that the military draft was not "involuntary servitude".

Fortunately for so many who would have been drafted and their lives risked without their consent Nixon of all people had the military draft abolished in 1971.

www.campaignforliberty.com membership 8Mar 10PM 106085, 11PM 106108

gulch

Edited March 9, 2009 by galtgulch

[Chris Grieb]

Gulch; The draft is not being used but it not been abolished. Males at age eighteen are required to register for it. The Selective System is still in place.

Nixon to this credit moved to an all volunteer force. I believe Congress in the 70ths allowed registration to stop but Carter reinstated after the Soviets invaded Afghanistan. Proposals to end it completely during the Clinton years failed.

[Alfonso Jones]

Gulch; The draft is not being used but it not been abolished. Males at age eighteen are required to register for it. The Selective System is still in place.

Nixon to this credit moved to an all volunteer force. I believe Congress in the 70ths allowed registration to stop but Carter reinstated after the Soviets invaded Afghanistan. Proposals to end it completely during the Clinton years failed.

Chris -

The rationale will come (and I think it has come before): If we can draft someone to be in the military and fight, then we can draft them to serve in other ways - - - to teach, . . . . The draft is involuntary servitude, and the logical connection between being able to REQUIRE someone to serve in the military and being able to require them to work in other jobs is too easy to make. Even those otherwise "reason-challenged" will find the connection.

Bill P

[galtgulch]

Gulch; The draft is not being used but it not been abolished. Males at age eighteen are required to register for it. The Selective System is still in place.

Nixon to this credit moved to an all volunteer force. I believe Congress in the 70ths allowed registration to stop but Carter reinstated after the Soviets invaded Afghanistan. Proposals to end it completely during the Clinton years failed.

Chris -

The rationale will come (and I think it has come before): If we can draft someone to be in the military and fight, then we can draft them to serve in other ways - - - to teach, . . . . The draft is involuntary servitude, and the logical connection between being able to REQUIRE someone to serve in the military and being able to require them to work in other jobs is too easy to make. Even those otherwise "reason-challenged" will find the connection.

Bill P

Bill P.

I was subject to the draft, got a deferment for school and medical school, then applied for the Berry Plan deferment during my internship, pushed my number up and served in the military 13 months in Korea reading x rays, then 11months in the States at an Army Hospital in Carlisle PA. The only good that came from it all was that I met my wife and have lived happily ever after. Who knows what would have happened if that diversion was not imposed.

www.campaignforliberty.com 9Mar 10AM 106169, 1PM 106184,

gulch

Edited March 9, 2009 by galtgulch

[Chris Grieb]

Gulch; The answer is obvious. Your life would have been different. Sometimes bad things can lead to good results.

Gulch; Congratulations on your marriage. Also Good Job of finding one woman and not running after other women which too many Objectivists do.

[galtgulch]

Gulch; The answer is obvious. Your life would have been different. Sometimes bad things can lead to good results.

Gulch; Congratulations on your marriage. Also Good Job of finding one woman and not running after other women which too many Objectivists do.

Chris,

Dagny became a one man woman but then she was not an explicit Objectivist rather a woman who was devoted to keeping her railroad running and making a profit.

Her commitment to Hank R. should have been her lifelong commitment. Although John G. invented the motor and started the strike against the tyranny which oppressed businessmen and the productive I didn't see where she could develop an intense romantic feeling for him. Aside from the romantic love at first sight exclamation she uttered when she opened her eyes in the valley upon seeing Galt for the first time, he was also the man she called the Destroyer. After all the time she and Hank spent in love despite his inner contradictions which made him accept an undeserved guilt they did have a relationship which was built on real qualities of character and integrity.

Galt held her against her will and his contention that he was justified because she had stumbled into the valley uninvited is not a valid reason to hold her and the fact he did so makes him guilty of kidnapping. I have seen men charged with kidnapping because they refused to let their wife leave the house fearing she was going to use drugs.

Well I have read Atlas more than a handful of times and consider myself an Objectivist but I am still troubled by the way things play out in it. If I am going to be late I call my wife to let her know if she were expecting me. Dagny should have demanded to be allowed to contact Hank or to be allowed to leave the valley. It has been a few years since I read it last. Maybe she did but was not allowed.

This is all moot, given what we are confronted with in reality, a calculated massive takeover by the Left under their puppet, Obama the fibber-power luster.

WHen I point out the lie Obama told, that the govt was not responsible for the crises but is the only institution able to correct it, whereas he surely knows about the CRA of 1977 which put the bankers under intimidation to lower their standards, those who have faith in Obama do a kind of blank out and refuse to acknowledge that he is a tyrant wannabe.

www.campaignforliberty.com 9Mar 5PM 106212; 10Mar 6PM 106468; 11Mar 5AM 106578

I detect that the rate of accumulation of members is picking up and there is reason to believe it will continue to accelerate. This should serve as an impetus to spur members to redouble their efforts to find new members and torch bearers. Only about one third of those who lived at the time took up arms to fight against the British. It has not come to that now. We just need to encourage people to read a few books and let others know. Atlas is one of the books. It would serve our purpose well if we could narrow down the number of books necessary to provide the perspective needed to the smallest number.

gulch

Edited March 11, 2009 by galtgulch

[galtgulch]

Evidently state legislators and military want to make sure Obama is the real deal before they follow his orders:

http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=88646

I am just bringing these efforts to your attention.

gulch

Here is a link to the very latest by an attorney who represents active military personnel who want to know if they must obey Obama orders, meaning is he legit:

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=...mp;pageId=91345

And you folks think that I am a thorn in the side of our country.

The question now is what happens if the Supreme Court decides that Obama was and is not eligible? Who presides until a new election? If Obama was not eligible than his choice for VP does not count and all the laws he has signed do not stand! Give the money back!

www.campaignforliberty 11 Mar 5AM 106578

Notice how the numbers are growing even during the wee hours of the morning.

gulch

[Chris Grieb]

Gulch; Like Ron Paul's winning the GOP nomination this isn't going to happen either.

Even if it were to happen we would have Joe Biden as President. Move on.

[BaalChatzaf]

www.campaignforliberty 11 Mar 5AM 106578

Notice how the numbers are growing even during the wee hours of the morning.

gulch

Wake me up when you reach a million, at which point, you guys might even be able to elect a dog catcher.

Ba'al Chatzaf

[Brant Gaede]

www.campaignforliberty 11 Mar 5AM 106578

Notice how the numbers are growing even during the wee hours of the morning.

gulch

Wake me up when you reach a million, at which point, you guys might even be able to elect a dog catcher.

There will be scoffers and mockers ...

--Brant