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On 6/16/2016 at 11:25 AM, Guyau said:

He made it to The Tonight Show,

(...fantastic!)

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On 6/3/2016 at 3:55 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:
On 6/3/2016 at 9:24 AM, william.scherk said:

 

Funnyman Scott Adams said:

Clinton’s “thin-skinned” insult for Trump is a solid Linguistic Kill Shot. And it’s the first weapons-grade language I have seen from their camp.

Source: Now It's a Fair Fight

There's something about this that has been bothering me for a long time re Scott Adams. I finally put my finger on it.

Granted, persuasion tactics work and Trump is doing most of what Adams is identifying. However, there is one element they teach in Internet Marketing that Adams does not cover (at least in the stuff I have read so far): Expertise. [...]

This is why all the anti-Trump word games about racism, bigotry, con man, bankruptcy, etc. etc. etc. don't take.

This line of thought is represented in Scott Adams' column from yesterday (emphasis added):

Persuasion Update: Clinton Vs. Trump

For months I have been saying mostly good things in this blog about Trump’s powers of persuasion, and mostly bad things about how the Clinton campaign does persuasion. And yet Clinton has a solid lead in the polls, assuming the polls are accurate. How can that be?The quick answer is that Clinton’s side is totally winning the persuasion battle.

Confused?

Clinton’s side includes more than her campaign team. It also includes pundits, supporters on social media, and the liberal-leaning parts of the mainstream media. While the Clinton campaign itself has been notably weak with its persuasion game, the folks on her side have been viciously effective at branding Trump a crazy racist.

Nothing else in this election matters. 

[...]

Viewed through the Master Persuader filter, the facts of this election don’t matter because facts are not persuasive. The lies don’t matter. The flip-flopping doesn’t matter. Trump’s command of the issues don’t matter. Trump’s insults don’t matter. Policies don’t matter. Trump University doesn’t matter. Even charges of sexism are not enough to derail him. 

[...]

The facts don’t matter. Facts never matter. What matters is that the “crazy racist” label picked up enough confirmation bias to stick like tar. The Clinton team won the month of June. And unless something changes, Clinton will saunter to an easy victory in November.

But remember also that Trump always makes aggressive first offers before negotiating to the middle. I predicted a softening of Trump’s immigration proposals and you see that happening now, right on schedule. Those changes in his proposals won’t be enough to change the election results because facts and policies are meaningless for persuasion. Trump would have to do far more to shake off the crazy racist label.

I now update my prediction of a Trump landslide to say that if he doesn’t give a speech on the topic of racism – to neutralize the crazy racist label – he loses. There is nothing he can do with policy tweaks, debate performances, advertising, interviews, or anything else that would remove the tarring he received from the Clinton side. But a persuasive speech could do it.

[...]

Bonus thought: If you were Trump, and you didn’t want a stronger candidate to replace Clinton at the last minute, you would hold back your best attacks until she secures the nomination. My guess is that Trump’s strongest attacks will start in late summer.

 

On 6/3/2016 at 3:55 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

And this is a reason I don't believe Adams's claim that “thin-skinned” is an effective Linguistic Kill Shot for him. It doesn't get under the huge doer expert veneer. If Trump did not have that expert image in the minds of people, I do agree it would be a good one.

"Thin skinned" -- what does it mean, plainly, in conversational discussion of another person's character?  It indicates that the person in question is remarkably sensitive to criticism, over-reactive to perceived slights, slings and arrows. As proof of concept, recall that Mr Trump reacted to the 'thin skin' slag with  a silly reply ... "“I don’t have thin skin. I have very strong, very thick skin.

On 6/3/2016 at 3:55 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

At this point, I don't know what kind of Linguistic Kill Shot would be effective for him. In the beginning, when he was rambling a lot and people were calling him dishonest, I would have gone with something like "Dirty Donald" or something like that. The important thing would have been to NOT step on his competence since that is what people think about him on their own.

I am not sure what I think of the whole concept of a 'kill shot' made of words. It really depends on whose mouth the words come out of.  "Short-fingered vulgarian" had a long life.  Nobody died.  Nobody's political career ended. Same with Mrs Clinton. Small hands. Mexico.

As for Mr Trump's overall undeniable competence -- I don't buy it. It isn't a given, to my eyes.  Many critiques of Mr Trump's business acumen circle around his bankrupt casinos, and his bait-and-switch bogus University.  Another critique is that Trump is now mostly a brand, a label applied to licensing deals and  profit-shares rather than a builder. What building has Trump built in the last ten years? 

Another angle on this presumed competence are other failed gambits:  Steaks, Vodka, Magazine ...  the plain facts suggest he is not competent in some areas of his branding. 

On 6/3/2016 at 3:55 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

They know he is competent, so calling him Drumph, buffoon, and things like that don't make any impact on them. But people know he has had shady dealings and nobody knows how many. So a Linguistic Kill Shot could exaggerate that aspect in their minds and take.

"Them"/"They" seems to be a stand-in for "I" ... or a vague blob of Trump People. As you suggest, perhaps, Trump partisans are aware of shady dealings -- but as you also suggest, Trump People don't pay attention or/and have no idea just how many deals were shady.

On 6/3/2016 at 3:55 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

As it stands, I think it's too late for words alone to work much anymore. 

I think you are probably speaking for yourself -- as a Trump People person, as a partisan. In which case we circle back to your words. It could very well be that non-Trump partisans like you are also wielding words that make not a spot of difference to doubters, worriers -- or haters.

On 6/3/2016 at 3:55 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

They don't mind thin-skinned and they don't mind Trump U or any of that other stuff. Hell, they don't even mind Trump powwowing with the establishment so long as he looks like he is in control. In people's minds, Trump took his lumps, made some mistakes, but always got back up and did magnificent stuff.

That's exactly what they want.

This paragraph I have to read with  pronouns inserted.   You don't mind 'thin-skinned.'  You don't mind if he has gotten into bed with the financiers he decried in the primary  campaign. 

Magnificence as an adjective is just that: word.  Trump University was not magnificent.  Stiffing contractors and investors is not magnificent. Wobbling over the Muslim Ban is not magnificent.   Trump Steaks are not magnificent.  Licensing deals that provide China-made Trump products are not magnificent. 

But ... as I have said a few times, you cannot be objective in re Trump.  You are on the stump. It isn't your present job to weigh evidence of magnificence in the normal sense. You are a campaigner for the man. 

Back to one of Scott Adams' points from his article:  "I predicted a softening of Trump’s immigration proposals [...] Those changes in his proposals won’t be enough to change the election results because facts and policies are meaningless for persuasion."

I recall, perhaps poorly, that Trump People would not be happy if he flip-flopped and floundered on his proposals regarding entry of Muslims.  Michael, you are for all intents and purposes a stand-in for Trump People. You feel their feelings, know their hearts, so it would be illuminating to know what you think (What They Think) of the rampant confusion on the subject from his campaign this week.

Adams, reduced to Words, says that Mr Trump must do thing X and Y to win in November.  'To become president, Trump has to embrace the melting pot. And he has to embrace the value of American diversity, loudly.' 

-- none of that was funny in the ha-ha sense, so here is a cartoon.

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-- context being today's economy/trade speech, in which Mr Trump declares that he will demand that Canada and Mexico renegotiate the provisions of NAFTA. If the two sovereign nations demur, then he says he will withdraw the USA from the pact.  

Good times.

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Trumps rhapsodic mockeries were poetic enough to garner him the presumptive nominee moniker. He stirred things up but now that he has to settle down to the real business at hand, I notice hes just not into it. 

Im inclined to think he is as content as he needs to be with the turn out that mirrored those self admiring glances. The former builder/developer has submitted his best, if others cant or dont notice, he wont accept blame, but its his fault. Hes done everything he thinks is needed to mount a case for Americans, short of calling Hillary, something nasty to her face. Presidential expectations arent going to be met using expletive deleted phrases, or letting substantive discussion wallow in personal peccadilloes like stale Benghazi, Email gate, or the Foundation during debate. I dont see him stepping up. Where the hell is his game? Its going to be bad, very bad for big bad Trump in the 9th. This is his biggest stage yet, to go away a loser, unthinkable right?

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Apropos of above, he has also sent fundraising letters to the more conservative of Canadian politicians, of which some are sitting Members of Parliament. (This kind of solicitation from foreigners is illegal here). Now, that is humorous -- or maybe not. Aaargh, it's enough to make you start wondering if there is something to a New World Order and Bird's Nest Head is its prophet.

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17 minutes ago, caroljane said:

Aaargh, it's enough to make you start wondering if there is something to a New World Order and Bird's Nest Head is its prophet.

Carol,

Great to see you again. :) 

Apropos your comment, maybe Trump wants to eventually buy Canada and he's laying the preliminaries... And maybe rename it to Alaska II or Trumplaska something...

:)

Michael

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Carole wrote: Apropos of above, he has also sent fundraising letters to the more conservative of Canadian politicians, of which some are sitting Members of Parliament. (This kind of solicitation from foreigners is illegal here). Now, that is humorous -- or maybe not. end quote

I beseech you. Blame Canadia, Princess Khaleesi, not The Donald. Hum not a “Song of Ice and Fire.” Do not unleash your dragons or the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. He is innocent of wrongdoing.  Spare his life.

Welcome back.

Peter

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20 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

[M]aybe Trump wants to eventually buy Canada

Yah.  He'll set the stage by re-doing or exiting NAFTA -- one of the worst deals, by his reckoning. Presumably, this will pay Canada back for stealing jobs. Lots of fun to come. This kind of picture will likely have only one smile:

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I  suggest that Mr Trump is  about enlarging revenue, not real-estate holdings as such. For example, Trump Tower here pays for the Brand Trump. Trump the man invested zero dollars in the enterprise itself. All is gravy.  Same with the Trump-branded Mexican resort plan ... Trump Ocean Resort Baja Mexico.** 

Almost all the memes storming about the Trump vice president mystery are hilarious. This caught my eye.

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** from the Wiki link:

"Investors were led to believe that Trump CEO Donald J. Trump was supervising the project, however he was just licensing his name for the development (and subsequently also sued the company)."

Edited by william.scherk
Added three amigos, and a note on TrumpCanada
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On 7/2/2016 at 2:42 PM, caroljane said:

Apropos of above, he has also sent fundraising letters to the more conservative of Canadian politicians, of which some are sitting Members of Parliament. (This kind of solicitation from foreigners is illegal here). Now, that is humorous -- or maybe not. Aaargh, it's enough to make you start wondering if there is something to a New World Order and Bird's Nest Head is its prophet.

Carol:

No more hit and runs.  Please stick around!

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Yes, I intend to, but will not be as frequent at first.

 

This is hardly the thread for it but I just want to say I am heartsick over the murdered Dallas cops and the two police-killed citizens and what is happening to your country.  No speculation over the whys or the proximate or ultimate causes that twist back to eternity.  Just huge sadness.

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Tried to come up with something editorial to say about the once-was Trump-Pence logo, but seems CNN does a good job with it:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/15/politics/donald-trump-mike-pence-campaign-logo/index.html

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Washington (CNN) - Donald Trump's campaign unveiled Saturday a modified version of its Trump-Pence logo after the original graphic drew a lot of unintended attention.

During Trump's official introduction of Indiana Gov. Mike Pence as his running mate, the campaign adorned a fundraising email with a simple "TRUMP" atop a "PENCE," ditching an American flag-inspired interlocking T and P logo that attracted the attention of Trump critics and supporters alike.
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    The campaign shared the original graphic in an email soon after making public Trump's choice Friday in a series of social media posts, emails and text messages. In the original insignia, the "T" in Trump passes through the "P" in Pence as part of a flag illustration. Their names were stacked below on top of Trump's slogan, "Make America Great Again."
    Asked about the modified logo, Trump campaign spokesman Jason Miller told CNN, "We have a number of logos. The final one won't be unveiled until the convention."
    Former Michigan Rep. John Dingell, a Democrat with a famously wry Twitter account, offered one of the first of many puzzled reviews of the earlier design.
    "What is the T doing to that P?" he asked.
     
    Florida congressman and Senate candidate Alan Grayson, a Democrat, volunteered an off-color suggestion.
    "This logo accurately represents what Trump Pence will do to America," he tweeted.
     
    And Bloomberg's Matt Negrin did his best to make the logo "safe for TV."
     
    For the many NSFW takes on Trump and Pence's branding, simply search Twitter.
     

    After the Friday night fling the logo had with the general public, the Trump-Pence campaign unveiled a new, more sensible logo on Saturday morn:

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