Obama's muslim ring

[blackhorse]

http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/obamas-ring-there-is-no-god-but-allah/

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/does-obamas-mystery-ring-really-have-there-is-no-god-except-allah-inscribed-in-arabic/

The Blaze is trying to play this story to the middle a bit, but WND is spot on in their assessment about Obama's muslim ring. A dangerous felow to have as leader of the free world.

[syrakusos]

BFD. Paul Ryan claims to be a devout Catholic. Mitt Romney is a Mormon. Perhaps Vice President Biden is a secular humanist (we can only hope). Generals Pershing and Eisenhower were ethnic Germans. Back in the 50s the John Birch Society suggested via "The Deputy" that President Dwight D. Eisenhower was a communist dupe, doing their bidding to enable their conquest of the world. You want to disparage the President for being a Muslim when we are at war against Islamic jihad.

Well, first "we" are not at war. I certainly am not.

More to the point, perhaps, you can only betray your friends as your enemies do not trust you. So, it was President Nixon who met Mao Zedong and established diplomatic relations with China, and also enacted a wage and price freeze. If Obama did that you would be screaming up a storm to high heaven, but nothing came from the conservatives when Nixon did that.... Just as they had nothing to say when Rudolph Giuliani prosecuted Michael Milken. Republicans are the enemies of business. ... and a Muslim US President is the perfect Davos ruling class lackey to bomb, blast, shoot, kill, and maim jihadists.

The thing is, though, that US clandestine operatives do not report to Ron Paul. So the Tea Party -- oh: Continuing New Revolution? -- do not know about it. In other words, you are marginalized, a cold fact of harsh reality.

This actually goes back to the XYZ Affair. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. George Santayana, The Life of Reason, Volume 1, 1905. Or as Karl Marx had it: "History repeats itself, first as tragedy, second as farce." As this claim of Pres. Obama's being a secret destroyer of American interests is about the fourth or fifth time around, it is on par with a pie in the face or 10 clowns getting out of a small car.

[Jerry Biggers]

Jeezus H Christ!! This story is so remarkably DUMB, not to say IRRELEVANT...If I believed in conspiracy theories, I'd be tempted to view this story as a "plant" by the Obama-ites to further embarrass the Right and make us all look like fools. But, no need of that - we are doing such a good job that the Left doesn't need to help us along.

If you really want an in-depth reporting on this pseudo-issue, please see this article from Irregular Times which goes into much more detail than the "Islamic" ring advocates would like to see. Bottom line? It's not arabic for the Shahada saying. Secondly, even if it was, SO WHAT? Obama's father was Muslim! Maybe it was given to Barack by him or other family members. But lets say it really is an Islamic saying? Still, SO WHAT? Does that prove that Obama is a "conscious and dedicated agent of the Islamic conspiracy,...serving its aims for his adult life?" (which, incidentally is a paraphrase of the line: "For the sake of honesty, however, I want to confess here my own conviction that Eisenhower's motivation is more ideological than opportunistic. Or, to put it bluntly, I personally think that he has been sympathetic to ultimate Communist aims, realistically willing to use Communist means to help them achieve their goals, knowingly accepting and abiding by Communist orders, and consciously serving the Communist conspiracy for all of his adult life."^[13]: from Robert Welch's The Politician [not "The Deputy"] that got him in so much trouble for calling Ike a communist!). Does this really need to be reiterated? The issue is not Obama's religion, it's his domestic and foreigh policies!

Anyway, here is the article on the ring pseudo-controversy

http://irregulartime...ahadah-ring/ :

[blackhorse]

@Michael, you're missing the biggest single issue that differentiates islam form the other religions you listed; ultimately islam demands conversion or death.

@Jerry, Understanding a man's ideology and associations, yes even down to the symbols that he wears IS very important, even if it is a ring, because it identifies WHAT the person is sympathetic to and what he is influenced by. BTW, I am not a conspiracy nut, so you can put your mind at ease, but I can also see the writing on th wall and do not just shrug something off because I may not want believe it could be a truth. I find it disturbing that you would so easily brush off his muslim influences. Idea's matter.

[Jerry Biggers]

@Michael, you're missing the biggest single issue that differentiates islam form the other religions you listed; ultimately islam demands conversion or death.

@Jerry, Understanding a man's ideology and associations, yes even down to the symbols that he wears IS very important, even if it is a ring, because it identifies WHAT the person is sympathetic to and what he is influenced by. BTW, I am not a conspiracy nut, so you can put your mind at ease, but I can also see the writing on th wall and do not just shrug something off because I may not want believe it could be a truth. I find it disturbing that you would so easily brush off his muslim influences. Idea's matter.

"Ideas matter?" They certainly do.

Which is more important - his ring, or his 20+ years of afiliation with his mentor (by his own admission),Marxist Liberation Theology preacher Rev. Jeremiah Wright? Or his friendship with former SDS Weathermen and terrorist advocates, Bernadine Dohrn and Bill Ayers? His extensive (see Radical-In-:Chief: Barack Obama and the Untold Story of American Socialism, by Stanley Kurtz) involvement with socialist organizaions (i.e., the New Party, ACORN, the Socialist Scholars Conference, etc.) and causes or the fact that his father was a Muslim and that he lived for a while in Muslim-dominated Indonesia?

Obama's involvement with socialist ideology has been much more extensive than any Muslim influences, such as the Arabic/African/Muslim origins of his name or his ring.

[blackhorse]

@Jerry, It's not either/or.

[Jerry Biggers]

@Jerry, It's not either/or.

Correct.

But his ring, whether Muslim-inscribed or not, pales into insignificance when compared to his socialist actions and associations. The ring does not prove that he is a servant of radical Islam. But his actions sure as hell indicate his political ideology.

Not all Muslims are anti-American. Not anywhere near a majority.

Marxists, on the other hand,...

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

If the ring actually says what some people says it says, I heard a talk (on The Blaze) where they mentioned that in the Islamic world, men are not supposed to wear gold to represent the five pillars or other serious religious things. When they do something like that, it's more like a good-luck charm than a religious commitment.

Something like what we do here with horoscopes and crystal pyramids and so forth. Or you could say it's like a necklace or bracelet with a St. Christopher trinket on it or a cross or something like that.

My speculation is that it represents something personal to Obama. A promise he made to himself or someone else in exchange for something (like winning the Presidency). And he keeps it on to not break the pretend spell. I wouldn't be surprised to find a magic lantern in his house that he rubs when he comes in.

We all do silly stuff like that at times.

I'm no Obama fan, but we have some serious work to do to get rid of this guy. This one won't convince anyone of anything.

Michael

[william.scherk]

If the ring actually says what some people says it says [...]

That is what is at issue, it seems, if the gold whorls are parts of the profession of faith (the shahada), if they have whorls that say a variant of the old 'thou shalt have no god but me' or 'Thou shalt have no other gods before me." In classical Koranic Arabic, `la means god, so a better translation of There Is No God But Allah is There is but one god and the only god is named god. In other words, in classic Randian fashion:

A(llah) == (A(llah).

My speculation is that it represents something personal to Obama.

Yeah, that seems obvious. Either that or he has never tried to get it off, or it is stuck on there since the 1980s. If it is (as assumed by many) a wedding band, the question that occurs to me is who bought it, and where it came from. And of course, how embarrassed the nutters will be when a high-resolution image turns up.

But to the ring's sculpted inscription, or the discovery thereof. Could this be an example of the paranoiac-critical method of mental work (which I discovered while looking up a reference to pareidolia at Wikipedia)? Are those loops of golden Satanic Verse just loops of gold that someone has, um, overinterpreted?

I did go looking for Shahada ring (for a man) and found more than a few, most of which contained the entire Shahada. They were in metals other than gold. This here is the best image of the Ring of Faith on the big O's finger that I have .found.

What do I see in the close-up? Frankly, some gold whorls in a wrapped-gold ring. A nice shiny ring on the 'marriage finger.' That's about all I see ... except for the sinister darker-style skin.

Is this the kind of stuff an Objectivist person can sit in a chair and figure out effectively?

The younger Orson Welles asks: "Which is more important - his ring, or his 20+ years of afiliation with his mentor [...] Jeremiah Wright?

• on the basis of longevity (30+ vs 20), the ring
  
• on the basis of attachment, obviously the ring -- he threw Wright under the bus, but the ring is stil there
  
• on the basis of contemporary politics, judging by Black Horse the Honey Badger's entries of late, the ring
  

Edited October 12, 2012 by william.scherk

[Jerry Biggers]

Well, I am, trying to recover from watching the Vice Presidential debate, with Joe Biden acting like he's high on speed or ecstasy, and overly polite Paul Ryan acting like a deferential Catholic altar boy - and then seeing some of the responses in this thread on Obama's ring (no, really. That's what thinking people are concerned about in this election).

So, I'm thinking, "Didn't anybody click on the link to the Irregular Times article"? Then, I try the link and find out that it is broke. O.K, so I trudge back to the article and highlight its URL again, to copy here. Again.

http://irregulartime...-shahadah-ring/

Or, you can believe Jerome Corsi of Joseph Farah's World Net Daily, which uses methodology reminiscent of The DaVinci Code. Or, you can still get a copy of Robert Welch's The Politician - which PROVES that Ike was a commie.

Maybe the ring has SECRET MYSTIC POWERS, turning its user to THE DARK FORCE. And if that is the case, the ring is certainly more convincing than Obama's record and past affiliations as documented in Stanley Kurtz's book, Radical-In-Chief (see my reference above).

People don't like facts. They don't want to use reason. What a bore. (Did you see the Pres on "The View," the other day? Wasn't he cute?) So, don't give them FACTS about Obama's record. SHOW THEM THE RING. That will clinch the argument!

By the way, has anybody checked to see what rings Mitt Romney is wearing? Or, maybe it's not rings, Is he wearing those Mormon undergarments?. Who knows what SECRET MYSTICAL POWERS that they confer upon their user! And how about Ryan? He might be wearing a Knights of Columbus ring!. You know, some people still believe that the Catholics want to control the world. Maybe he's wearing a ring blessed by the Pope? What secret oath did Romney and Ryan pledge to their respective Mormon and Catholic masters???!!!

LATE BULLETIN!!

I have apparently been proven wrong. Click the link below for NEW information on WHAT-THE-INSCRIPTION-ON-OBAMA's- RING-REALLY-SAYS!. It's even more DIABOLICAL than even Jerome Corsi could have imagined!!

http://irregulartimes.com/index.php/archives/2012/10/10/new-photo-evidence-of-ring-proves-barack-obamas-non-christian-religion/

[blackhorse]

@William, If you took time yourself to be Objective you would realize I never put the "ring" above Obama's associations.-they are part and parcel of his entire anti-liberty mantra. I do appreciate your rude 8th grade smugness though.