On 6/12/2016 at 9:48 AM, BaalChatzaf said:

carpet bombing the Middle East

No.

On 6/12/2016 at 1:08 PM, BaalChatzaf said:

Did he pledge allegiance to DAESH?

Yes.

21 hours ago, BaalChatzaf said:

On 6/13/2016 at 8:46 AM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

As I asked in the Trump thread, the terrorist was an Islamist and he was targeting gays.

How does a Trump presidency look now? Or do people want to keep thinking Trump is clueless or a bully?

Michael

Trump is far from clueless.  

Trump is working from a self-limited palette. 

1 hour ago, anthony said:

We are hearing many similar rationalizations like these in SA too, making a moral comparison, along with much psychologizing -why did he do it - who/what "is to blame"...? Etc.

I guess you people hear lots of different things.  "Why did he do it?" is psychologizing?  It sounds like your people are incurious.   If there are others just like this killer,  laying in wait ... 

1 hour ago, anthony said:

The Christians, it's said by our holier than thou liberal secularists here, are or have been, just as violent.

This is weird.  Your 'holier-than-thou liberal secularists here' -- do they have names?  Is it possible to lift up their awful comments and show them relevant? No?

1 hour ago, anthony said:

Hardly, and not recently.

Hardly relevant, IMO.  And not recently. Sentence fragment.

1 hour ago, anthony said:

Whatever the surface 'causes' and pathology of this lowlife, it mustn't be escaped that evident here, the background of Islamic scriptures, teaching, preaching and societal influences - its philosophy/culture- played a big part.

Unpack this mock-English.  Discard the first clause and and put an "I" in your claims.  "It mustn't be escaped"  [It is] "evident here" .  Of course, in my estimation, the murders were committed with pure terrorist intent, with a perfect correlation to the spurious theology of the Al-Qaeda/ISIS religious leaders and their enablers and sycophants.  The killer wanted glory [sic]  attached to his name and his bloody achievement.  He wanted the approval of the savage and murderous  god of his imagination.  He wanted to die. He wanted to be famous and to credit the monsters of ISIS.

If that is good enough, if that is all the blame that needs to be attached, Tony, you can step down.  Forestalling pointless points of view and short-selling discussion by sorting out nameless numpties into 'liberal secularists' .... is that what you meant to do? End discussion?  I mean, is disrupting the plans of the next mass-shooter something you want to have happen, to put it passively?  

In other words, on your Must Do list for America's response, are you on board with the Trump plan? Does it seem wise to you?

1 hour ago, anthony said:

The religion of Christians, world-wide, has advanced tremendously and is mostly civilised with little to no hatred taught or violence practised.

It may be, that some prejudiced, homophobic US Christians will be forced to do some soul-searching as a result of this assault on their fellow Americans, which could be one good. Muslims everywhere definitely should do as well, of their religion as a whole. .

One thing that stands out in discussion of mass shooting/terror attacks -- it is hard for people to give up their certainties, once held.  We stand on our knowledge as if on a locked chest: nothing need be learned outside of what we already know.  Everyone "knows" what it all means and what must be done.  I should know, because I am an expert.

The saddest thing I have seen -- beyond the grief and horror of the mass murder -- are the few sick voices who engender hate and exclusion and stupidity.   For example:

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In Sacramento, Pastor Roger Jimenez of Verity Baptist Church said the killer succeeded in making Orlando safer.

“Are you sad that 50 pedophiles were killed today?” Jimenez said in a sermon originally posted on YouTube. “Um no, I think that’s great! I think that helps society. I think Orlando, Florida is a little safer tonight.”

In the sermon, delivered just hours after the rampage on Sunday morning, Jimenez also said, “I wish the government would round them all up, put them up against a wall, put a firing squad in front of them and blow their brains out.”

Tempe, Arizona preacher Steven Anderson also rushed to praise the “good news” that “there are 50 less pedophiles in this world.”

In a video posted online, Anderson, a pastor at Faithful Word Baptist Church, said while he wouldn’t advocate for violence, he said LGBT people should be “executed by a righteous government.”

"The bad news is that a lot of the homos in the bar are still alive, so they're going to continue to molest children and recruit children into their filthy homosexual lifestyle," he said, adding the attack would be used to attack Christians and push gun control.

 

Luckily, there is a candidate for President that has a  plan to make America safe again. It is time to 'turn in'  dangerous people who show signs of incipient murder.   It is time to begin screening all visitors to America using rock-solid religious tests.   It is time to know the enemy, and the enemy is (a tumour within) the Islamic faith.  It is time to raise vigilance  and perhaps deploy demagoguery, to simplify the challenge  of preventing mass shootings (by Muslims).  Nobody can deny that one candidate has answers.  Nobody can deny that they are the best answers and the only answers and the Total Package American needs.

On an alternative soapbox, somebody might call for big I Intelligence. "Until we figure out what's going on."

-- on another topic, I am missing the presence of bigly poster Adam Selene. Has anyone heard from him or checked in on him?  He has been silent for  a while now.

For another example of why OL might be circling the drain -- our tedious hate-filled Moralist takes time to denigrate the dead--  as perverts being taken out by another pervert.  It takes some personal skill and fine heart to leave that impression of gross and persistent unreason.   Tony, I look forward to your critical comments.