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#1 Robert Campbell

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Posted 02 November 2010 - 03:24 PM

Scott McConnell's long-awaited compilation, 100 Voices: An Oral History of Ayn Rand, is now out.

I received my copy this afternoon.

I expect it to be a valuable source, despite the fact that the interviews are edited (hardly unusual in volumes of this kind, but obviously a sore point where Rand is concerned); there are no interviews with anyone who broke with Rand or was expelled, either in her day on in the ARI era, are included; and the chronology (p. xvi) gives "May 1968" as the date that the Nathaniel Branden Institute closed.

As a New American Library publication by a long-time employee of the Ayn Rand Archives (though he is not currently employed there), the book essentially required Leonard Peikoff's approval (even though Peikoff is not mentioned in the preface).

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Posted 02 November 2010 - 03:48 PM

Robert,

My copy didn't arrive, so I downloaded the Kindle version. I've only skimmed it, but a few preliminary observations.

1. As you mention, no interviews with anyone with whom Rand split (Blumenthals, Kalbermans, Smiths, Holzers, etc.) and minimal mention of them in the published interviews. Even someone who was excommunicated by Peikoff (I'm thinking of Reisman) isn't interviewed and is mentioned only once.

2. No discussion (one way or the other) of Frank's drinking, not even in the interviews of Eloise, Ventura and Ilona.

3. A few unfortunate jibes at the Brandens. Otherwise little mention of them.

4. Occasional admissions that Rand was at times unpleasant.

5. Leonard Peikoff's interview (I assume he gave one) not excerpted. Ditto with Peter Schwartz.

6. I only saw one place where there is a hint that the Objectivist movement was rather cultish (someone mentioning that everyone bought the same kind of dinner tables as Rand).

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Posted 04 November 2010 - 06:53 PM

There is at least one shocking revelation so far: Ayn Rand had serious discussions with Raquel Welch about playing the role of Dagny Taggart. I knew about Farrah Fawcett, but not Raquel. Wow. That would have added a new dimension to the movie role that was definitely not in the book. (Or did I miss something...?) :wub:

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Posted 04 November 2010 - 06:59 PM

There is at least one shocking revelation so far: Ayn Rand had serious discussions with Raquel Welch about playing the role of Dagny Taggart. I knew about Farrah Fawcett, but not Raquel. Wow. That would have added a new dimension to the movie role that was definitely not in the book. (Or did I miss something...?) :wub:

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Raquel was in -Fantastic Voyage-. one of the choicest scenes in this sci fi movie was the crew of the min-sub trying to rip anti-body cells of of Raquel's luscious body. It was a hoot!

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Posted 05 November 2010 - 09:09 AM

Interesting.

My mental image of Dagny is a sensually lean and proportionate woman, not a "zaftig" type like Raquel.

Also, never liked her as an actress.

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Posted 05 November 2010 - 09:21 AM

Interesting.

My mental image of Dagny is a sensually lean and proportionate woman, not a "zaftig" type like Raquel.

Also, never liked her as an actress.

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In my earlier years I never went to see a Raquel movie so I could admire her acting skills. She is a competent actress, however, and I learned many years ago that she is a big Ayn Rand fan.

I had never encountered the word "zaftig" before. Had to look it up. Yup, it definitely fits. B)

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Posted 05 November 2010 - 09:50 AM

Robert,

My copy didn't arrive, so I downloaded the Kindle version. I've only skimmed it, but a few preliminary observations.

1. As you mention, no interviews with anyone with whom Rand split (Blumenthals, Kalbermans, Smiths, Holzers, etc.) and minimal mention of them in the published interviews. Even someone who was excommunicated by Peikoff (I'm thinking of Reisman) isn't interviewed and is mentioned only once.

2. No discussion (one way or the other) of Frank's drinking, not even in the interviews of Eloise, Ventura and Ilona.

3. A few unfortunate jibes at the Brandens. Otherwise little mention of them.

4. Occasional admissions that Rand was at times unpleasant.

5. Leonard Peikoff's interview (I assume he gave one) not excerpted. Ditto with Peter Schwartz.

6. I only saw one place where there is a hint that the Objectivist movement was rather cultish (someone mentioning that everyone bought the same kind of dinner tables as Rand).

-Neil Parille


Horror or horrors!!: "No discussion (one way or another) of Frank's drinking."

How is this possible? Doesn't everybody know this issue is of Monumental Metaphysical Importance?

Neil: why does this issue seem to obsess you so?

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Posted 05 November 2010 - 09:52 AM

Interesting.

My mental image of Dagny is a sensually lean and proportionate woman, not a "zaftig" type like Raquel.

Also, never liked her as an actress.

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Here appeal was never as an actress. He image is grade one whacking material

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Posted 05 November 2010 - 10:55 AM

I was also surprised to learn of Rand's interest in Raquel Welch as Dagny Taggart.

Ms. Welch is 5 feet 2 inches tall and, as has been noted, zaftig.

Not the way Dagny is presented in Atlas Shrugged.

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Posted 05 November 2010 - 10:56 AM


Interesting.

My mental image of Dagny is a sensually lean and proportionate woman, not a "zaftig" type like Raquel.

Also, never liked her as an actress.

Adam


Here appeal was never as an actress. He image is grade one whacking material

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If you are a "tit" man, I am sure your statement is accurate, but some of us are not.

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Posted 05 November 2010 - 11:43 AM

Interview with producer Michael Jaffe, who worked with Ayn Rand to produce Atlas Shrugged as a TV miniseries in the 1970’s:

Scott McConnell: Whom did Miss Rand have in mind for the roles?

Jaffe: She thought Raquel Welch was Dagny. Period. I think she was responding to the lush, flowing hair and the full, sensuous lips and the extraordinary beauty.

100 Voices, p. 516


Yeah. The hair and the lips.

Back in the 1970s, I stood in front of the Hotel Bel Air for an hour to get her autograph after a movie premiere, desperately hoping for a glimpse of her hair and lips…

I actually think she was (and is) a good actress, but faced the same obstacles to being taken seriously as an actress as she would as the operating vice-president of a transcontinental railroad. Good luck on getting railroad engineers to follow your orders when they can’t stop staring at your cleavage.

Perhaps Ayn Rand considered all this, and decided to use the power of her fiction as an object lesson for the insidious evil of the mind-body dichotomy.

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Posted 05 November 2010 - 11:50 AM

Interview with producer Michael Jaffe, who worked with Ayn Rand to produce Atlas Shrugged as a TV miniseries in the 1970's:


Scott McConnell: Whom did Miss Rand have in mind for the roles?

Jaffe: She thought Raquel Welch was Dagny. Period. I think she was responding to the lush, flowing hair and the full, sensuous lips and the extraordinary beauty.

100 Voices, p. 516


Yeah. The hair and the lips.

Back in the 1970s, I stood in front of the Hotel Bel Air for an hour to get her autograph after a movie premiere, desperately hoping for a glimpse of her hair and lips…

I actually think she was (and is) a good actress, but faced the same obstacles to being taken seriously as an actress as she would as the operating vice-president of a transcontinental railroad. Good luck on getting railroad engineers to follow your orders when they can't stop staring at your cleavage.

Perhaps Ayn Rand considered all this, and decided to use the power of her fiction as an object lesson for the insidious evil of the mind-body dichotomy.


Dennis:

I will never get used to the American males obsession with breasts.

They are not where the action resides.

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Posted 05 November 2010 - 12:11 PM


Interview with producer Michael Jaffe, who worked with Ayn Rand to produce Atlas Shrugged as a TV miniseries in the 1970's:


Scott McConnell: Whom did Miss Rand have in mind for the roles?

Jaffe: She thought Raquel Welch was Dagny. Period. I think she was responding to the lush, flowing hair and the full, sensuous lips and the extraordinary beauty.

100 Voices, p. 516


Yeah. The hair and the lips.

Back in the 1970s, I stood in front of the Hotel Bel Air for an hour to get her autograph after a movie premiere, desperately hoping for a glimpse of her hair and lips…

I actually think she was (and is) a good actress, but faced the same obstacles to being taken seriously as an actress as she would as the operating vice-president of a transcontinental railroad. Good luck on getting railroad engineers to follow your orders when they can't stop staring at your cleavage.

Perhaps Ayn Rand considered all this, and decided to use the power of her fiction as an object lesson for the insidious evil of the mind-body dichotomy.


Dennis:

I will never get used to the American males obsession with breasts.

They are not where the action resides.

Adam

Adam,

Perhaps as a "Preview of things to come"? :o A "coming attraction"??? ;)
Actually, I prefer to think of it (er, her) as a complete package. :D

On the other hand,...these days, I'll take what I can get! :blush:

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Posted 05 November 2010 - 12:44 PM

Dennis:

I will never get used to the American males obsession with breasts.

They are not where the action resides.

Adam


Adam,

We like to have something to do with our hands.

Personally, I have always agreed with a comment made by Burt Reynolds in a Playboy interview years ago. I will have to paraphrase:

“Large breasts? I think they’re over-rated. After you play with them for 4 or 5 hours, it gets boring.”

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Posted 05 November 2010 - 12:58 PM


Dennis:

I will never get used to the American males obsession with breasts.

They are not where the action resides.

Adam


Adam,

We like to have something to do with our hands.

Personally, I have always agreed with a comment made by Burt Reynolds in a Playboy interview years ago. I will have to paraphrase:

"Large breasts? I think they're over-rated. After you play with them for 4 or 5 hours, it gets boring."


Dennis:

Another indication of how little American men understand the power in their hands. As the ole philosopher used to say, it is not the size of the wand that gets the rabbit out of the hat, but the skill in the hands of the magician!

Adam

Edited by Selene, 05 November 2010 - 12:59 PM.

"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice..and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."

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Posted 05 November 2010 - 02:16 PM

Dennis:

Another indication of how little American men understand the power in their hands. As the ole philosopher used to say, it is not the size of the wand that gets the rabbit out of the hat, but the skill in the hands of the magician!

Adam



Adam--You could be right. I don't know about other American men, but in my own case, I'm usually too busy enjoying myself to care. This is one area where American women seem to appreciate a certain level of selfishness in their American partner. But I can only speak from my own experience. Sex may be one area where cultural differences play a legitimate role, and I don't want Michael to accuse me of tribalism.

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Posted 05 November 2010 - 03:34 PM


Dennis:

Another indication of how little American men understand the power in their hands. As the ole philosopher used to say, it is not the size of the wand that gets the rabbit out of the hat, but the skill in the hands of the magician!

Adam



Adam--You could be right. I don't know about other American men, but in my own case, I'm usually too busy enjoying myself to care. This is one area where American women seem to appreciate a certain level of selfishness in their American partner. But I can only speak from my own experience. Sex may be one area where cultural differences play a legitimate role, and I don't want Michael to accuse me of tribalism.


I know that I am right.

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Posted 05 November 2010 - 04:09 PM

I know that I am right.

Adam


But of course you are. There, there, now.

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Posted 05 November 2010 - 04:17 PM


I know that I am right.

Adam


But of course you are. There, there, now.


Vere? Vere?

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Posted 05 November 2010 - 06:41 PM

PDS,

Frank's drinking doesn't obsess me. However, we've been told that theBrandens' books are smears and that one of these days (years, centuries) the evidence will appear demonstrating that they are liars.

Why doesn't the Archives tell us what they know on this and other debated issues?

-Neil Parille

Edited by Neil Parille, 05 November 2010 - 07:25 PM.





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