bmacwilliam Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 (NOTE FROM ADMINISTRATOR: This thread was started with posts gleaned from this thread.)But it's worse to give the State the power to barge into your home and tell you how to raise your children. There's a clear line between that and physical neglect/endangerment/harm.Raging lunatic nonsense. There are many many valid reasons other than physical harm where the state should damn well barge into your home and "tell' you how to raise your children while carting your ass off to jail. BobSo what are some of these "many many" reasons? And explain how it makes me a "raging lunatic" if I didn't happen to precisely categorize legitimate reasons why one should have children taken away while you go to jail. Maybe you should ask me whether you should go to jail for X before calling me a "raging lunatic".ShayneIf you think physical harm is the only legitimate reason a state can have for intervening with children, you're a loony. One reason would be if you tried to marry off a daughter of 13 years old to an older man regardless of her physical maturity. That's child abuse no matter how you slice it. You want more reasons?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjw Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 If you think physical harm is the only legitimate reason a state can have for intervening with children, you're a loony. One reason would be if you tried to marry off a daughter of 13 years old to an older man regardless of her physical maturity. That's child abuse no matter how you slice it. You want more reasons??Actually you're the loon for not calling that physical abuse (I am of course against letting children marry and regard it as a physical violation). I'm sure you don't like my views and really really want to view me as a loon, and that's what makes you distort reality and view me as a loon, which makes you even more of a loon.Shayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmacwilliam Posted April 23, 2008 Author Share Posted April 23, 2008 If you think physical harm is the only legitimate reason a state can have for intervening with children, you're a loony. One reason would be if you tried to marry off a daughter of 13 years old to an older man regardless of her physical maturity. That's child abuse no matter how you slice it. You want more reasons??Actually you're the loon for not calling that physical abuse (I am of course against letting children marry and regard it as a physical violation). I'm sure you don't like my views and really really want to view me as a loon, and that's what makes you distort reality and view me as a loon, which makes you even more of a loon.ShayneWell as long as you lump psychological abuse together with physical abuse I can't argue with your definitions if that's the way you want to play... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjw Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Well as long as you lump psychological abuse together with physical abuse I can't argue with your definitions if that's the way you want to play...Your definitions are irrational and therefore your grasp on reality is tenuous. Which was already in evidence given your quickness to call me a "loon" before figuring out what it is that I actually think. You're just projecting your own irrational looniness onto me.Shayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjw Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 I would rather be associated with standing for correct principles even if it means defending the rights of MormonsWould you consider polygamy a right? Or at least would your concept of individual rights go that far?BobThree consenting adults over yonder decide to have an orgy. You become obsessed about it and claim a right to barge in and force them to stop. And you're not a loon? What are you doing in this forum?Shayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmacwilliam Posted April 23, 2008 Author Share Posted April 23, 2008 You're just projecting your own irrational looniness onto me."Isolation? There's nothing more isolating that having the entire Earth covered in Statists. Insulation? What could be more insulating that the Statist propaganda we're fed in public schools, on TV, the media, in Objectivist circles, etc.? Intimidation? Ha! The Mormons have nothing on the intimidation tactics of even one branch of the State."That's some damn fine projection.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmacwilliam Posted April 23, 2008 Author Share Posted April 23, 2008 I would rather be associated with standing for correct principles even if it means defending the rights of MormonsWould you consider polygamy a right? Or at least would your concept of individual rights go that far?BobThree consenting adults over yonder decide to have an orgy. You become obsessed about it and claim a right to barge in and force them to stop. And you're not a loon? What are you doing in this forum?ShayneThat's polygamy? Consenting adult sex = polygamy? Gotta love your defintions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjw Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 That's polygamy? Consenting adult sex = polygamy?Clearly not.Gotta love your defintions.I didn't define them that way, again, you in your irrational looniness presumed some definitions for me. You're talking to yourself here. Which is of course a lot easier than facing the question I put to you.Shayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Gentlemen,Can we have a discussion about the ideas, or are you going to run off intelligent people with a barrage of nastiness to each other?Nobody wants to read that crap. This stuff about rights is important. Your opinion of each other isn't.Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmacwilliam Posted April 23, 2008 Author Share Posted April 23, 2008 Clearly not.Then why did you respond to my question on polygamy with that example?"Can we have a discussion about the ideas,"Love to, but Shayne won't engage rationally. I asked a simple question and he's off on a tangent, then denies it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjw Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 Clearly not.Then why did you respond to my question on polygamy with that example?If you honestly see no connection between the two cases, then I honestly I don't see the point in talking to you about it. I doubt there is a single person in this forum besides you who could possibly fail to see why I would ask that question. Which leaves me no reason to address you further."Can we have a discussion about the ideas,"Love to, but Shayne won't engage rationally. I asked a simple question and he's off on a tangent, then denies it.I like how you've taken responsibility for calling me a raging lunatic before figuring out whether you just didn't understand me. And then after engaging in that irrationality, you claim I won't engage rationally.Shayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmacwilliam Posted April 23, 2008 Author Share Posted April 23, 2008 If you honestly see no connection between the two cases, then I honestly I don't see the point in talking to you about it. I doubt there is a single person in this forum besides you who could possibly fail to see why I would ask that question. Which leaves me no reason to address you further.Fine. I must admit that's some real creative squirming after painting yourself into an impossible corner. Good job. :poke: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjw Posted April 23, 2008 Share Posted April 23, 2008 If you honestly see no connection between the two cases, then I honestly I don't see the point in talking to you about it. I doubt there is a single person in this forum besides you who could possibly fail to see why I would ask that question. Which leaves me no reason to address you further.Fine. I must admit that's some real creative squirming after painting yourself into an impossible corner.I'll answer your question if a regular here thinks it is a worthy one.Shayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 Gentlemen,You may carry on over here where this stuff belongs.Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjw Posted April 24, 2008 Share Posted April 24, 2008 You can throw this whole thread in the trash bin as far as I'm concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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