Are we Living like Ostriches Here at this Site?

[Etisoppa]

There are so many things happening in our societies today. Things that should not be happening , things with a high possibility for happening.

Example:

http://www.inteldaily.com/?c=117&a=1431

Bush Paves the Way for Martial Law: 2007 National Defense Authorization Act overturns Posse Comitatus Act

And there are these uses of individual rights assaulting technologies being engaged in the said government set in place ‘to secure those rights” ( Declaration of Independence Thomas Jefferson ) , not envisioned to be violating those rights.

Example:

http://www.freedomfchs.com/

FREEDOM FROM COVERT HARASSMENT AND SURVEILLANCE (FFCHS)

Seeking Freedom and Justice worldwide

for those targeted with organized stalking

and electromagnetic torture.

Yet here at this site there id virtually no mention or discussion of these things. Events and activities so diametrically opposed to Objectivism and its principles yet these thing and other world events remain unchallenged and not discussed, much less organized against at this site.

There are few comments on articles of blogs, much less a forum where topics like these can be discussed, as at a bar or club, and organized activities prepared.

With their Cuffy Meigs tendons tenaciously secured on unconstitutional mind-sets and on their unconstitutional ( and immoral) usage of technologies, it would by very erroneous of us to think that these people will easily relinquish their grip on these things. No, things are more likely to get worse, and they will come with objects to stick into the sand into which our heads are buried.

We should not allow our principles to become subordinated to other agendas. They may work together but not subordinated. For when differing principles are in conflict we cannot pretend them away.

FFCHS continues….

Former Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis wrote in 1928, the framers of the Constitution sought "to protect Americans in their beliefs, their thoughts, their emotions, and their sensations." It is for this reason that they established, as against the government, the right to be let alone as "the most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized men.

Millions of people across this country and the globe are being targeted for harassment in various forms by a growing number of harassment groups. Citizens are being watched, followed, monitored and tortured; their private lives invaded, ruined, and many kept in virtual isolation from friends and family.

You may be a victim of electromagnetic harassment if:

• You experience burning sensations on your skin or internal organs.

• You feel pin pricks on various parts of your body.

• You feel some type of energy moving inside your body.

• You experience extreme head pains.

• You feel drop-in-your-tracks fatigue on a regular basis.

• You continually have difficulty sleeping.

• You experience uncontrolled-by-you movements of limbs or other body parts.

• You experience forced speech.

You hear the voices of other people inside your mind with no other signs of mental illness.

If a significant number of items on these lists are happening to you, then you may be a victim of organized stalking or electromagnetic harassment.

And among 10’s of other sites, there is:

http://www.mindcontrol-victims.eu/

Symptoms of Electromagnetic Torture:

Severe pins and needles Prickly burning sensations

Heightened body temperature Increased heart rate

Back strain Chronic headaches.

Involuntary hand, finger and toe movements Stomach cramps

Spot blanking of memory. Harassment of the auditory hearing with ringing, clicking and buzzing.

Repeated spasms and contracting of muscles and tendons within the body Bleeding and discharge from the nasal cavity

mindcontrol agent UK

________________________________________

Here is a comparison to U.S. victims. Cahra has heard from victims all

over the world. Here is a description of the cluster of symptoms common to most victims. 24 hours 7 days a week, for years on end,

victims are subjected to all kinds of harassment and torture. Most

agree that the technology can remotely target and control every nerve f the body. Heart rate can speed up and slow down, bowel movements an be regulated, illnesses can turn on and off in an instant.

Victims report microwave hearing or voices in the head and sleep deprivation.

Thoughts can be read, and played back to the victim, instantaneously.

People around the victim can repeat verbatim, the victim's immediate thoughts.

Dreams are manipulated, behaviors controlled, emotions

literally played with and all types of pain can be started and stopped

in all parts of the body. Remote sexual manipulation and abuse with

pedophilia, homosexual and degrading themes are reported regularly.

Microwave burns are frequently reported, along with all types of

bizarre and harassing manipulation of electrical equipment, phone,

car, TV and computers. Black bag intelligence tactics of tire

slashings, break ins and mail tampering are reported. Hologram are

projected. According to victims, it is vicious, amoral, sadistic and

cruel. Most victims describe the experience as very debilitating and

liken it to mental rape, prison or total destruction of the quality of

one's life. Most are labeled mentally ill and live with financial

ruin. loss of health, social life and career. All say the technology

is very sophisticated and effective as a weapon.

Some victims say they would use it on their torturers and feel vindication. It is like a slow death.

> 1984 BBC Video, "Opening Pandora's Box"

[Etisoppa]

So, does any one agree? Disagree? (Let me kick off the comment section)

[Brant Gaede]

So, does any one agree? Disagree? (Let me kick off the comment section)

We haven't commented yet for no comment seems to be necessary.

--Brant

Edited April 10, 2008 by Brant Gaede

[jordanz]

The link you provided seems to have a conspiracy-bent to it that rubs me the wrong way. This seems like a bunch of nonsense.

Here is the "summary" of the bill (it's frickin huge): http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?t...;bill=h109-5122

The item in question:

Revises federal provisions allowing the President to utilize the Armed Forces in connection with interference with federal and state law to allow the President to employ the Armed Forces and National Guard in federal service to restore public order in cases of natural disaster, epidemic or other public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or domestic violence. Requires the President to notify Congress within 14 days of the exercise of such authority. Authorizes the President, when exercising such authority, to direct the Secretary to provide supplies, services, and equipment to persons affected by the situation.

Sounds reasonable to me.

[Laure]

Here's my comment:

TheOnion Video on Paranoia

[jordanz]

Here's my comment:

TheOnion Video on Paranoia

Perfection.

[Martin Radwin]

The link you provided seems to have a conspiracy-bent to it that rubs me the wrong way. This seems like a bunch of nonsense.

Here is the "summary" of the bill (it's frickin huge): http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?t...;bill=h109-5122

The item in question:

Revises federal provisions allowing the President to utilize the Armed Forces in connection with interference with federal and state law to allow the President to employ the Armed Forces and National Guard in federal service to restore public order in cases of natural disaster, epidemic or other public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or domestic violence. Requires the President to notify Congress within 14 days of the exercise of such authority. Authorizes the President, when exercising such authority, to direct the Secretary to provide supplies, services, and equipment to persons affected by the situation.

Sounds reasonable to me.

There are many things that "sound reasonable" if one doesn't give them more than a few minutes of thought, but that can be easily determined to be paving a path to hell if properly analyzed. It's only paranoia if they're not really out to get you. If they are really out to get you, to refuse to recognize this reality is a lethal form of denial.

Here is a link to an article by James Bovard, entitled "The Martial Law Act of 2006".

http://jimbovard.com/blog/

From the article,

"The new law vastly increases the danger from the actions of government provocateurs. If there is an incident now like the first bombing of the World Trade Center in February 1993, it would be far easier for the president to declare martial law — even if, as then, it was an FBI informant who taught the culprits how to make the bomb. Even if the FBI masterminds a protest that turns violent, the president could invoke the “incident” to suspend the Constitution.

“Martial law” is a euphemism for military dictatorship. When foreign democracies are overthrown and a junta establishes martial law, Americans usually recognize that a fundamental change has occurred. Perhaps some conservatives believe that the only change when martial law is declared is that people are no longer read their Miranda rights before they are locked away. “Martial law” means: Obey soldiers’ commands or be shot. The abuses of military rule in Southern states during Reconstruction were legendary, but they have been swept under the historical rug.

Section 1076 is an Enabling Act-type legislation — something which purports to preserve law and order while formally empowering the president to rule by decree.

Bush can commandeer a state’s National Guard any time he declares a “state has refused to enforce applicable laws.” Does this refer to the laws as they are commonly understood — or to the “laws” after Bush “fixes” them with a signing statement? Unfortunately, it is not possible for Americans to commandeer the federal government even when Bush admits that he is breaking a law (such as the Anti-Torture Act).

Section 1076 is the type of “law” that would probably be denounced by the U.S. State Department’s Annual Report on Human Rights if enacted by a foreign government. But when the U.S. government does the same thing, it is merely another proof of benevolent foresight. The “comfort blanket” on Section 1076 is that the powers will not be abused because the president will show more concern with the Bill of Rights than Congress did when it rubberstamped this provision. This is the same “pass the buck on the Constitution” that worked so well with the PATRIOT Act, the McCain Feingold Campaign Reform Act, and the Military Commissions Act. As long as there is hypothetically some branch of the government that will object to oppression, no one has the right to fear losing his liberties."

Martin

[Etisoppa]

The link you provided seems to have a conspiracy-bent to it that rubs me the wrong way. This seems like a bunch of nonsense.

Some relevant questions;

1. Do you think the 9/11 Truth Movement is " a bunch of nonsense"?

Are you familiar with the hundred and odd points of inconsistency?

For if you do believe the Movement is not nonsense then you would be able to see

the possibility of "false-flag" operations as a pretext for 'Martial Law"

False -flags arranged with or without the top echelon's knowledge and consent.

2. Do you also think that the advanced mind assault technology is also "nonsense" ?

Read my blog at OL " The Present State of Electronic Mind Assault Today

Jan. 1 2008" for technical details

[william.scherk]

Paul Gol aka Etisoppa asks if we are living like ostriches here at OL, with regard to Electronic Torture.

Events and activities so diametrically opposed to Objectivism and its principles yet these thing and other world events remain unchallenged and not discussed, much less organized against at this site.

There are few comments on articles of blogs, much less a forum where topics like these can be discussed, as at a bar or club, and organized activities prepared.

[ . . . ]

Most are labeled mentally ill and live with financial ruin. loss of health, social life and career.

I think it is a mistake to quickly label as mentally ill those who claim to be Targeted Individuals -- whether by waving a vague 'schizophrenic' flag at the tortured individuals or hard-heartedly circling a finger at the temple. Case in point, there are a host of delusional disorders which bear no relation to schizophrenia. But let's face it, these are delusions.

The link you provided seems to have a conspiracy-bent to it that rubs me the wrong way. This seems like a bunch of nonsense.

Some relevant questions;

1. Do you think the 9/11 Truth Movement is " a bunch of nonsense"?

Are you familiar with the hundred and odd points of inconsistency?

For if you do believe the Movement is not nonsense then you would be able to see

the possibility of "false-flag" operations as a pretext for 'Martial Law"

False -flags arranged with or without the top echelon's knowledge and consent.

The so-called truth movement is a mixture of kooks and nutcases spouting general nonsense, yes. Does this nonsense bear some relation to electronic torture conspiracy claims? Perhaps yes, but in the sense that nutcases of the truth movement ilk are not quite as kooky as to believe in the reptilian hypothesis, but yet would give a fair hearing to any black copter tales that paint a dark picture of an insane government brooding over its citizens.

The average nutcase claim of electronic torture is a very personal delusional set of beliefs but can be effortlessly combined with other occult conspiracy claims depending on the level of kookiness of the claimant.

2. Do you also think that the advanced mind assault technology is also "nonsense" ?

Read my blog at OL " The Present State of Electronic Mind Assault Today

Jan. 1 2008" for technical details

You have no blog at OL, thank gawd. And yes, the claims of the average targetted individual are nonsense. What are your own claims, dude? Are persons known or unknown torturing you through electromagnetism, to your knowledge? If yes, I would ask how you have ruled out more parsimonious explanations of your distress.

If you are a kook like Harlan Girard, you shrink at the suggestion of delusion, but don't actually test the situation. I was struck by the senseless videos of the online TI community, the bland bone-chilling kookiness. This one in particular is insidiously creepy. Watch this woman's little dental pointer, with which she shows you her burns and marks and pages from her book of 'evidence.' Careeeepy.

All I wanted to do with this poor thing was keep her safe in a lead box for a few weeks and tell her that we had removed the part of her brain that made her wacko, and that she was cured. As it is, there is no easy way out for a deluded individual. The delusion is often fixed and immovable, it seems. One bright note in the Washington Post story was the faint inkling that for some sufferers, the delusions can be oftern stilled by pharmaceuticals. The sad refrain in all of these claims is, "we tell you and you think we are mentally ill." Well, yes, delusions are not exactly a sign of optimum mental health. When you claim,

, that your neighbours are hurling electromagnetic barrages of torment your way, what other rational alternatives obtain?

Paul, dude, do you yourself believe this torture is visited on you? If so, what possesses you to hang out your shingle at a place like this? Please at least entertain the idea that some of these beliefs are delusions, and then ask yourself how you can tell the difference between a real electromagnetic attack and a false alarm due to delusion.

In the meantime, save yourself a headache. No on here is liable to give you a ride on this one. There are more congenial places to find support for your campaign.

[galtgulch]

While you folks quibble and split hairs our country plummets headlong towards possible election of either an avowed socialist or a militarist throwback either of whom consider the Constitution a relic with no relevance at all except as a token idol to be worshiped by taking a meaningless, empty oath to uphold it as they assume more powers than are granted in it.

In the meantime fellow countrymen who also value our individual freedom and do take the Constitution seriously are taking action to save our country.

A few short weeks ago I received a phone call from a gentleman who identified himself as the state coordinator of the Ron Paul grassroots campaign. He was searching for someone to become the district coordinator in each Congressional district in the state. Imagine this happening in every state in the country! He had a list of donors to Ron Paul who were called to arms to attend the district caucuses where many were elected to be McCain or Romney delegates. They are only bound to vote for them on the first ballot but McCain does not have enough so called bound delegates to get the nomination on the first ballot!

Then they will be free to vote for whomever they want. The Republican nominating convention will be filled with Ron Paul supporters who will be playing by the rules. McCain will not be the nominee. Ron Paul will be!

In case you hadn't noticed Ron Paul, in his twenty years in the U.S. Congress has never voted for a program which is not explicitly authorized in the Constitution! Virtually all the others pay lip service to it, swear an empty oath to uphold it, then proceed to pass laws or engage in acts which are in violation of the Constitution.

As a consequence our country is in its present state of collapse as a free country. Men and woman are being killed in an undeclared war of invasion and occupation overseas which is also draining our treasury and putting us deeper in debt to our avowed enemies.

The currency which should have been only gold and silver coin has been replaced by paper imitation as a result of legal tender laws which violate the Constitution.

The Federal Reserve Banks are private and not a government agency which is not authorized by the Constitution and which prints money thus reducing the purchasing power of all of us including elderly people on fixed incomes.

You self styled Objectivists appear to be above the fray unwilling to participate and lend a hand in regaining your own freedom. I am reminded of the famous line by Hank Rearden in Atlas Shrugged, "I only regret that in the process of saving my own life I am obliged to save your lives as well!"

Forgive me if I am in error and you are willing to join those of us who have participated in the Ron Paul R3VOLution.

It is not too late for you to assume a role. There is a new project in which DVDs of edited Ron Paul speeches and interviews will be sent to each and every Republican delegate in the country, monthly up to the Convention, to help them understand just what it is about him that his supporters find so appealing.

I became a precinct leader and have called hundreds of people in my district which enabled us to elect 8 delegates and 10 alternates to go to Minneapolis in September from my state. It is happening all over and we will win.

www.ronpaul2008.com

whoisronpaul.name

www.dailypaul.com

Here is a link to the organizer of the DVD for Delegates project. In it you will find the link to the actual Alaska DVD which was successful in converting many delegates in Alaska to Ron Paul.

http://ronpaul.meetup.com/1873/members/5675223/

It is happening, with you or without you. Join us. We are fighting with our minds, within the law, using our ingenuity to reason with our countrymen, to restore our country to the right Constitutional path of freedom for the individual and limited government. Are you going to pass up this opportunity to help the cause? This is your battle too!

Wm

Edited April 12, 2008 by galtgulch

[Etisoppa]

In the meantime, save yourself a headache. No on here is liable to give you a ride on this one. There are more congenial places to find support for your campaign.

I take it you are a sincere reader and student of Objectivism and Ayn Rand. You are then not like any random sample in the population. So I am going to hold you to that Objectivist standard of being objective, even if you appear not to quite meet her standard or portrayal of civility.

There is techical information presented at

http://www.objectivistliving.com/forums/in...;blogid=18&

My blog

And if you are not up on the technicalities, have someone with that technical knowledge assist you or educate yourself on the topics like ,Terahertz EMR ( Electromagnetic radiation T -waves) for example. Just read the article, and it is long. Take notes, and put one-and-one together.

One may belong to a particular group , or be of a certain part on the political spectrum, but by Objectivist Principles and understanding, one is expected to be an individual, not a tribal member of a tribe, or collectivist ( using Rand’s terminology). You are still expected to be an objective individualist in pursuit of Truth .

“Reason is an absolute that permits no compromise” Ayn Rand , Galt’s speech. “Rationality is recognition of the fact that existence exists, that nothing can alter the truth, and nothing can take precedence over the act of perceiving it..’ the same.

Thousands of people making similar claims…. Something is up A is A.

What you refuse to know may hurt you. Maybe less that 100 were making claims in the late 50’s early 60’s ..and Project MK Ultra was in operation, established with court cases.

Attempting to dismiss these things with insults is most unbecoming.

Not up to a “Randian” standard

[Etisoppa]

http://ronpaul.meetup.com/1873/members/5675223/

It is happening, with you or without you. Join us. We are fighting with our minds, within the law, using our ingenuity to reason with our countrymen, to restore our country to the right Constitutional path of freedom for the individual and limited government. Are you going to pass up this opportunity to help the cause? This is your battle too!

Wm

Very well said Galtgulch.

So many do not appear to understand that there is well-thought out, determined process at work out there, to completely change the character of American Freedom and individual rights. It is an age old process that for so many reasons has picked up steam again,

but moving with the stealth and determination of a grizzly on the prowl. Moving at a pace reserved for cooking live lobsters, but can so easily quicken.

But do not underestimate the resources of those who would destroy the Jeffersonian beacon.You have to make sure you cover all the angles, wrinkles and possibilities.

[Aggrad02]

I am not sure if the people on OL have their head in the ground or not. I have been posting on these boards for a little bit, and there does seem to be a lot of discussion here about a wide range of topics. Basically if you bring it up in intelligent manner, people here will discuss it. Now expecting them to agree with you.... Well we are a bunch of individualist right?

On the other hand, I am not sure what people who post here are doing to actively change the world we live in, other than living objectively. Philosophy is the undercurrent of the expression of our society and how we think, react and interact with each other is based largely on our individual philosophy. Therefore, I believe that the academic and political arenas are best suited for our activism. The academic seems to be the area that most objectivist focus their attention. Whether through educating people one on one, lending them a copy of Atlas Shrugged or even through the efforts of the Objectivist Center and ARI, it seems that most of the focus of objectivist is towards education, while most objectiist have neglected politics (other than complaining and voting). While the intellectual battle has to be won over the long haul through education, politics is one of the direct expressions of the philosophical attitudes of our society, it is also the place where a small minority can vastly change the philosophical attitudes of a large group of people in short period of time. It is also a place where we must hold back the forces of collectivism, since government is at the heart of collectivism (it is collective by its very definition). To be truly effective force in our society I believe that we must not only educate, but be actively involved in local and national politics by either helping good candidates or becoming candidates ourselves.

So I was wondering what other OL'ers have been doing in our world to help change it?

I will go first,

Here is what I have been trying to do:

In 2006 I started to become politically active. I volunteered for local guy that was running for Congress, unfortunately we lost the primary. Then this past year I was inspired by Congressman Paul's run for President. Since last year, June '07. I have been working very hard trying to get the message of liberty and Ron Paul out to masses. While campaigning for Paul, I have also convinced many people I have met to read Atlas or the Fountainhead. I also started 3 meetup groups within 2 hrs of my home to promote RP, and became an assistant in my hometown meetup group. Once these meetups got off the ground I passed them on to local organizers. I can say that these meetups now have a collective total of over 300 politically active members. Last year I also became the Republican Precinct Chairman for my precinct, I then ran for the position unopposed in the last election and a month ago when our county chair had to step down due to family reasons, I was voted in as Republican County Chairman for Robertson County Texas. I know that may make some of you cringe, but oh well, that is what we have to do to change the path of this country. I will also be attending the Texas State Republican Convention as a delegate. Furthermore, we have turned our local Ron Paul Meetup group into a branch of the Republican Liberty Caucus (rlc.org), and plan on multi-pronged approach including continuing education of the public, public debate between different groups as well as locating, supporting and fostering the development of liberty minded candidates within the Republican Party.

I have made a commitment that if they (the collective) are going to try and take my liberty, then I am not going down without swinging.

--Dustan

Edited April 13, 2008 by Aggrad02

[Wolf DeVoon]

In the meantime, save yourself a headache. No on here is liable to give you a ride on this one. There are more congenial places to find support for your campaign.

I take it... (insulting blather)

Take a tera-hike, bub.

DeVoon

[Wolf DeVoon]

I was wondering what other OL'ers have been doing in our world to help change it?

You're a respectable guy, Dustan, and I always read your posts here with sincere pleasure and care. However, I think it's immoral to vote, to run for office, to support candidates that legitimate the current state. Reasonable men disagree but contradictions are metaphysically unreal and one of us may in fact be doing the wrong thing.

Much of what I'm doing is confidential.

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson warned of "more bumps in the road."

Edited April 13, 2008 by Wolf DeVoon

[william.scherk]

In the meantime, save yourself a headache. No on here is liable to give you a ride on this one. There are more congenial places to find support for your campaign.

I take it you are a sincere reader and student of Objectivism and Ayn Rand. You are then not like any random sample in the population. So I am going to hold you to that Objectivist standard of being objective, even if you appear not to quite meet her standard or portrayal of civility.

Well, while you are holding me to this standard, I will hold you to a standard of reason. What evidence is there that millions of people are targetted individuals of electromagnetic attack? What evidence is there that you yourself are a targeted individual? What reason can you come up with for the unknown forces to target you?

(as for Ayn Rand's 'portrayal of civility,' Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?)

There is techical information presented at

http://www.objectivistliving.com/forums/in...;blogid=18&

My blog

There is no information presented on my screen when I go to this URL:

-- and there are no technical notes at any of your other internet postings, whether your blog at Yahoo or your blog at Blogspot, or your commentaries elsewhere. There is a dearth of information that can be assessed in your postings. For example, you write on your Yahoo blog:

We will examine some victim stories, then look in detail at what we think the technology is ( we say “think” because the technology is most highly classified), then we will look at motivation and indirect evidence that will indicate who may be this group of humans on this quest.

But you don't do any of this, you don't examine, you don't look in detail, you don't critically assess indirect evidence or discuss 'the technology.' The victim 'stories' are three line summaries**, the technological discussions are absent, and the examination of motives reveals conclusions like this:

We have identified a clique about George Herbert Walker Bush as the group who have embarked on this quest. The group include a certain band of Catholics, Jews European elites, Muslim elites from particular Muslim countries. In fact it looks to be a plot with a strong Illuminati faction.

Yikes.

And if you are not up on the technicalities, have someone with that technical knowledge assist you or educate yourself on the topics like ,Terahertz EMR ( Electromagnetic radiation T -waves) for example. Just read the article, and it is long. Take notes, and put one-and-one together.

That's the problem. The 'technicalities' are absent. What about so-called terahertz EMR? Is it being used to bore holes in your will and control your mind? Sometimes one and one and one and one pile of crap add up to one pile of crap. You are playing connect-a-dot where most of the dots are figments and the rest are crap.

Thousands of people making similar claims…. Something is up A is A.

Similar claims mean nothing, given our understanding of rumour panics, delusion, ufo 'contactees,' the miracle of Fatima, and so on. Paul, you personally claim to be the target of electromagnetic torture. In itself, not impossible, but requiring a certain weight of evidence to support it before anyone can turn off their critical faculties. The evidence of the 'similar stories' is crap.

Attempting to dismiss these things with insults is most unbecoming.

Not up to a “Randian” standard

But that is just the thing, Paul. There is no 'these things' on the table. You don't bring anything to the table. Well, except for claims such as this:

LET ME BE ABSOLUTELY CLEAR! MY VICTIMIZATION WAS THE CONSCIOUS DECISION OF THE THEN SITING PRESIDENT

GEORGE HERBERT WALKER BUSH (41) AND THE FEW SENATORS AND CONGRESSPERSONS RESPONSIBLE FOR THIS ATROCITY. NO ONE ELSES.

THEN CLINTON AND THIS PRESENT BUSH CONTINUED THE SAME DECISION

[link]

Paul, all I can say is Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!?

This just gives a whiff of the nutcase, you have to admit. All -cap rants about thought insertion, ideas of reference, dream control . . . these are hallmark symptoms. They cry out for a bit of intervention by a compassionate care-giver.

To put it in your all -cap terms: sounds like a CRAZY PERSON RANT, you know?

Whether this is mental illness by way of schizophrenia, maybe. Whether you are in the grip of a powerful delusion, indubitably. My heart goes out to you in your suffering, dude -- the hardest thing for you to entertain is the idea that there might be something wrong with you.

There is something wrong with you, Paul. Get some professional assistance and avoid further unpleasantness here. It can be done. There are organizations for those who want help in reducing delusion load. It is hard. I sympathize with your suffering. But better we slap you in the face now rather than you slid all the way down the rabbit hole to complete wacked-out doom.

What we are asking you to do is cut out the following image and render it to a badge, and to wear the badge at all times.

_______________________________________

** Here is a portion of the tale of 'John Finch,' who unlike our Paul Gol/Galt has only been tortured for four years (our Paul has been tortured for nigh on twenty):

NAME: JOHN FINCH Citizenship: AUSTRALIA Year Torture/Abuse Began: 2004

Pg 57 Each and every waking hour I am thought and image read, and

continuously subjected to the various forms of sensory and mental

torture by being verbally, aurally and "intellectually" abused, goaded,

disturbed and engaged with - directly into the brain.

5. continuously subjected to multiple nightly neurological experiments

and interventions - night after night after night 2,3,4,5 or more times

per night artificial "dreams" are introduced into my brain and therein

experienced and processed "organically" (?). This has resulted in

mentally and psychically exhausting, degrading and wrecking me. I

haven't had an uninterrupted nights sleep in over 2 years. (2005-

present)

6. subjected to "deep" neurological interventions on my brain creating a

lasting "lobotomised" effect. Repeatedly subjected to multiple other

experiments and interventions on other areas of my brain. (2005-present)

7. subjected to various other mental, physical and social tortures,

degradations and dirty tricks. This includes being extensively

publically exhibited via internet and TV which has greatly magnified the

complete violation of my privacy. (2004-present)

As an ancillary to these each and every night I am repeatedly put to

sleep, woken up, made to go to the toilet, and mentally mood and temper

controlled on waking. Other nights I am given erections, and

occasionally voided of semen (my sperm production has been stopped). I

am being used like a lab rat. This regime has been ongoing now for

nearly 2 years.

-- from Mind Control Victom site at Blogspot, linked from Paul Galt's own Blogspot kookrant.

[Reidy]

I don't know if we're all living like ostriches, but this conspiracy theory seems to have laid an egg.

(Curious about that last paragraph: just what do Finch's captors do to get him hot? Show him nude photos of Frances Farmer and Margot Kidder?)

[Greybird]

"Are we living like ostriches here at this site?"

Well, who's "living at this site" in the first place?

"We" are not here. "We" are disembodied electronic shadows on Plato's cave wall. All we can discern are traces of each other's intellects and verbal faculties ... and only a tiny subset of those.

It's taken me nearly a quarter-century on the Net (and precursors) to discern the truth: "Online friends" are not friends. They're ghosts that can be diverting to play with, but they're not human beings.

Real human beings have physical dimensions and life-experience textures. You get neither from the Net. Anyone who thinks otherwise has to, literally, get a life.

I've met only a few notable contributors here in the flesh: Angie (CNA), Barbara Branden, Roger Bissell, Jerry Biggers. (Talking to them counts. Not seeing them from a distance.) The rest of you, however interesting your words may be, however valuable, however compelling, are just shadows to me.

... I know, I know. This topic was a conveyance for conspiracy theories. Still, the question was provocative. And it got this Objectivist type (adjective) talking about Plato and ghosts. About, as the Brits say, bloody time.

[Kat]

Pay no mind to the conspiracy theories. He speaks only for himself not OL, Objectivism or anyone else. That is how the forum works. We had him on moderation for a while and I thought he was gone. If he chooses to live his life in fear, that's his choice. Seems like a miserable existence to me. My apologies to those he may have offended. Pay him no mind.

We here at OL are not ostriches, idiots or blips on a computer screen.... We are people. Good people. Sure we may not all know each other personally, but we are part of a community of like minded people. One of the good things about OL is that many members have met through their online contacts and attending Objectivist events such as those put on by The Atlas Society and other groups.

Kat

[Aggrad02]

I have made a commitment that if they (the collective) are going to try and take my liberty, then I am not going down without swinging.

--Dustan

BTW: I would just like to point out that my post had nothing to do with the conspiracy theory mentioned in the first post, but rather to activism in general. Just don't want to confuse anyone.

-- D

[Etisoppa]

ALL,

Let me state that you have my full 100% assurance that what I speak of is real, and it is happening!! It is happening to thousands across the US, Canada Europe and globally. We have several organizations representing us. We have meet with Congress persons about the matter.

Evidence: Item 1

UPDATE ON CONGRESSIONAL MEETINGS Meetings were

> scheduled in 22 congressional offices in Washington

> D.C. during the week of June 12, 2006. Meetings

> were also scheduled in 15 offices last year during

> the week of October 3, 2005. A total of more than

> 50 offices responded to our letters about the misuse

> of electronic weapons and related technology.

> Congress was asked to start an investigation

> and pass new laws. The report was titled "Please

> consider sponsoring proposed legislation about

> aircraft safety, electronic weapons, human

> experiments, and other national security issues."

> The 12 page report will be posted in the near

> future.

> Legislative assistants that met with us in

> October 2005 were told that we would write our own

> version of laws to be submitted in 2006. Some of

> the staff members that we met for the second time

> remembered the information in the October 2005

> report that was titled "Electronic weapons could

> endanger national security." The purpose of this

> report was to encourage Congress to start talking

> openly about electronic weapons.

> The following topics were of interest to

> legislative assistants in June 2006.

> At least five staff members expressed an

> interest in starting an investigation. We can rely

> on two of those offices to help us, and maybe all

> five.

> One person will talk with staff members in

> five other offices to discuss the best way to

> proceed. This important meeting was originally

> scheduled by Dr. Le Roy Gillam.

Then more recently , there is this letter from our Lawyer:

Evidence Item 2

Dear Sir or Madam:

This law firm represents Freedom from Covert Harassment and

Surveillance ("Freedom"), an organization with several hundred members

around the country and internationally who have reason to believe they

are targeted with various non-lethal weapons. Freedom is currently

communicating with legislators in order to institute hearings and

investigations of the numerous abuses of citizens.

The purpose of this letter is to inform medical providers of the

factual and legal background behind many complaints of physical and

psychological symptoms that patients relate to non-lethal weapons. It

has come to our attention that medical providers often dismiss these

allegations as unrealistic and false and attribute them to mental

instability. It is difficult to legally prove targeting by

psychotronic weapons when the perpetrators operate from remote, unseen

locations and therefore the targeting can be dismissed as delusional.

Given the wide scope of alleged targeting, there is a certain risk of

sounding too conspiratorial, however, common denominators exist, such

as similar physical and psychological claims, surveillance scenarios,

and harassment techniques.

We strongly urge you to not summarily dismiss a patient's claims of

being targeted with non-lethal, directed energy weapons for the

following reasons:

Evidence supports the conclusion that weapons exist that could be used

against individuals, based on U.S. Patent and Trademark Office

filings, public releases by agencies, and other technologies that

indicate the level of technological sophistication. The weapons are

believed to be based on electromagnetism, microwaves, sonic waves,

lasers and other types of directed energy, and were characterized as

"psychotronic" in Rep. Dennis Kucinich's draft of House Resolution

2977, the Space Preservation Act of 2001.

Furthermore, it is undeniable that government agencies have tested

citizens without permission in the past; for example, the CIA's human

experimentation discussed in Orlikow v. U.S., 682 F.Supp. 77 (D.D.C.

1988), secretly administered lysergic acid diethylamide discussed in

United States v. Stanley, 483 U.S. 669 (1987), and military chemical

experimentation as discussed in Congressional Committee Report 103-97,

103d Congress, 2d Session, S. Prt. 103-97 (Dec. 8, 1994).

Lastly, the sheer numbers of people complaining of being targeted,

including people with post-graduate degrees and a lifetime of

achievements, and the similarities in symptoms, tend to outweigh a

dismissive response based on charges of anecdotal evidence or group

paranoia.

Therefore, we urge you to at least consider the possibility of

symptoms resulting from radiation, electromagnetism, sonic energy,

other unusual types of energy, as well as psychological symptoms

resulting from intentional harassment.

Very truly yours,

Jon Wilson

**********************************

The scope of this "project" being inflicted on us innocent citizens, in violation of the Constitution and International Laws on human Rights, the scope is so large it can be mind boggling. PLEASE TAKE IT SERIOUSLY.

To not do so would be to repeat Chamberlain's mistake with Hitler. We are not exactly sure who actually controls the technology we speak of. Any one of us may know them, but we would not know. So even though they may seem familiar to you please do not make the mistake that we are dealing with "Boy Scouts". I have my shattered life to remind me of this, and they have not the humanity or conscience to stop; much less to do what any court would order them to do, when presented with the technical evidence. Plus recall, the DoD/CIA Black Projects Budget " is reported to be a Trillion dollar budget.

Why are they doing this, and doing this now. ( Since 1990 at least in my case)

I will give but one of several possible motivations. It has to do with organized religion.

What you must fully appreciate is that when deeply, genuinely believing Catholics say that they are supposed to be God's representative on Earth, as bequeathed them by Jesus, they really believe so. I am just stating something factual. Supreme Court justice Judge Scalia certainly believes this. ( I wanted to hold off on this reply due to, and out of respect for, important "visits" taking place in the US, but the harassment is such that they left me no choice)

So behind the scene elite members of that organization have been placing themselves in leadership mode"guiding" and working with other denominations, especially Fundamentalists, and being a driving force behind the development and usage of the technology.

The documentation for this using mainstream media documentation is posted at my blog

http://www.objectivistliving.com/forums/in...;blogid=18&

My blog

When they, and other denominations say they must have "Dominion over All", they really mean it. And as Ayn Rand made her case in " For The New Intellectual" we know how such "metaphysics" turn out. Today we can document the psychological processes as to why such people turn into Fascist, despite all their good intentions. That is why I made the Chamberlain/ Hitler connection

This is not universal, there are some who genuinely follow the wisdoms and truths in Jesus' teaching and do not turn out that way. But they are not in prominence especially among that group using the technology.( The true ones oppose it as they should)

And then some are using the Revelation Book in the New Testament as a script.

I am in a Third World country and I am living this day-in day-out. You think the US Fundamentalists are bad, you have no idea about these. It is like a throw-back to the mindset of medieval times. Further they have a very poor appreciation of individual rights, for developmental reasons, so you can guess what it is like. They call me names like guinep , their local term for atheist, do so with relish, as if that is all the justification they need, having no idea how they would be insulting the intelligence of any Supreme deity, and no such higher-order arguments has any effect on these people. And these assaults are happening globally!!

Do you want to gamble that this will not also end-up being the fate of so many in the US and elsewhere? That is why my comment about ostriches with heads in the sand, and I intentionally said it that way to alert you all to the lurking danger that MUST be organized against.

Please refrain from the knee-jerk reactions, and carefully consider all that I have said.

Thank you

Paul G.

Edited April 18, 2008 by Etisoppa

[Brant Gaede]

Troll.

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[Etisoppa]

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The following is the scheme the Vatican had on the US Presidency in 1928.

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The 1928 Presidential Election

In 2 previous historical articles, we have looked

at 2 major milestones in the demise of Papal Rome,

namely the defeat of the "Invincible"

Spanish Armada

and the fall of the Papal States in 1870....

Both of these defeats happened in the Old World

while the third happened in the New....

We are referring to the U.S. Presidential election of 1928.

The 1928 U.S. Presidential election was one of

the most crucial events in the entire history of the United States . . .

if not the entire world!!

In 1870, Rome was liberated by Italian patriots

and the Papal States were gone forever

******

( I do not now how to get the exact screen as you did)

Otherwise see http://360.yahoo.com/etisoppa

Edited April 18, 2008 by Etisoppa

[Brant Gaede]

Troll delux.

--Brant

[Wolf DeVoon]

He's achieved the distinction of being the first lunatic I had to block on PM.