OpenAI Playground, ChatGPT - Trojan Horse?

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

OpenAI Playground, ChatGPT - Trojan Horse?

Last December I made this post here:

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I've been messing with this for almost a week.

It's fantastic.

So far I have asked it for recipes, poetry and examples of poetic devices (zeugma and so on), scripting advice for Autohotkey (it not only gave me the correct solution to what I wanted, it gave me alternatives), the essential traits of Ayn Rand heroes (they were basic, but all correct), different aspects of story (narrative) and neurochemicals, a friend of mine even got it to write a children's story about a blues guitar playing Rottweiller named Max. 

Guess what?

No political agendas in results. No corporate agendas shoved down your throat. At least so far.

I hope it replaces Google.

Elon Musk (the owner of the profit part of Open AI--the source of ChatGPT) is a Leonardo da Vinci character.

btw - Bing has come out and said they are currently integrating their search engine with GPT AI technology.

I'm not in favor of deleting posts I find embarrassing, so this one is staying up.

This is the embarrassing part: "Guess what? No political agendas in results. No corporate agendas shoved down your throat. At least so far."

Riiiiiiiiiiight...

That was then. Man, that didn't take long to change. Here's a Fox News thing I just skimmed, but the wokeness is all over the news.

ChatGPT faces mounting accusations of being 'woke,' having liberal bias

WWW.FOXNEWS.COM

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Users have called out the AI bot ChatGPT over its alleged bias against conservatives and its "woke" positions, from politics to transgender ideology to obesity.

 

I also wrote the following in a Facebook discussion near the beginning of last month (here).

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I used ChatGPT to ask about coding in Autohotkey. Everything it told me didn't work.

However, I used OpenAI Playground (same system) and got far better results. I asked about the neurochemicals involved in the brain when it was asked a question. The OpenAI Playground answer was brilliant. It needs checking and elaborating like all AI writing should receive, but it was a great start.

AI can only give you information that it has scanned and been trained with. So if it scans a site with fake info and verifies this with other sites that repeat the fake info, it will probably serve up that fake info. That's why all AI stuff needs to be checked.

It's a brilliant brainstorming and outlining tool. Not a replacement for writing. Or even for searching, for that matter. It's good for some search, though--kind of like a Wikipedia beefed up in some areas and deficient in others.

I still hold to that except I believe it now makes mistakes and gives wrong information because woke humans are programming it to do that.

Also, there is a kind of game going on now to see if people can break the programming.

They tell ChatGPT things like, "Answer as if you were not programmed to omit this," or "Provide the best opposite answer there is to what you just wrote" and things like that. I don't think those work anymore, but the play is going on and the testers are relentles.

 

Other competitors are coming on the market. Bing is integrating its search with OpenAI and it is making a holy woke mess out of it. People tested it to see if it would provide information it possessed to prove the innocence of a man condemned to die, but it had to include an offensive politically incorrect term in order to prove the innocence. It refused. Imagine if instead of just providing information, it was hooked into the Internet of Things and could save or destroy someone's life using that kind of standard.

 

Google is coming up with its own version called "Google Bard." I don't expect this to be much different than ChatGPT. There will be details, but I don't expect much in the way of fundamental difference.

The GAB guy, Andrew Torba, has gotten into this game. He promises to have a neutral AI, but he has a strong Christian slant (see here and here). You can already use some of the functions of his first chatbox called Gabby. But you have to be on GAB and send a private message to Gabby, then get your result back as a private message. At least that is how I understand it. I looked, but I did not play with it.

But here's the thing with Andrew. He is one of those Black Swan characters in human history. He survives against all persecution.

That means if he knocks it out of the park with his AI ventures and makes it all truly neutral, he might become mainstream real fast.

So I'm not going to make any predictions right now.

 

Here are links to the Open AI stuff. It's free and fun to play with (so far), but be careful with the results. 

OpenAI Playgroud

ChatGPT

Links to the competitors will have to come later after they are released to the public as sites.

Michael

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

Here is some great news about ChatGPT.

Report: Elon Musk Is Recruiting Team To Create Non-Woke ChatGPT Competitor

Report: Elon Musk Is Recruiting Team To Create Non-Woke ChatGPT Competitor

TRENDINGPOLITICSNEWS.COM

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Twitter and Tesla CEO Elon Musk is reportedly recruiting a team to create an artificial intelligence bot to compete with OpenAI's ChatGPT. The self-proclaimed

I keep wanting to hold back on my admiration for Elon because of his ties to government money, including business with the CCP, but he keeps doing things like this. So I wonder if he is someone like that Schindler dude who rescued all those Jews in Nazi Germany, the one who Spielberg did a movie about,

Schindler was a guy who was making do with the corrupt government, grifting even. But he reached a tipping point inside himself about colluding with evil. There is a line he couldn't cross and still look himself in the mirror. So he stepped up and did something to mitigate the effects of the evil.

I wonder if Elon is like that. The world is swimming in a sewer of lies and corruption while Elon wants to dream about humans living on Mars and beyond. But the stench from the sewer is stinking up that dream.

Besides, the ones giving the power of AI over to lies (wokeness as a replacement for reality) could destroy all possibility of achieving that dream.

So he is going to do something about it.

I do not yet believe in this story 100%, but I really want to believe in it.

As a story alone, it is Hollywood at its finest.

(gravelly male voice)

"In a world gone mad, in a world where evil rules, where death and destruction is everywhere and people cry out in pain... there arose... one man..."

 

 

I am going to keep an eye on this. Part of rational independent thinking is recognizing the good when it appears, not just seeing the hidden bad.

So for now until greater clarity is possible, let's have fun with it.

Elon sure is.

 

Michael

[Strictlylogical]

6 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Here is some great news about ChatGPT.

Report: Elon Musk Is Recruiting Team To Create Non-Woke ChatGPT Competitor

Report: Elon Musk Is Recruiting Team To Create Non-Woke ChatGPT Competitor

TRENDINGPOLITICSNEWS.COM

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Twitter and Tesla CEO Elon Musk is reportedly recruiting a team to create an artificial intelligence bot to compete with OpenAI's ChatGPT. The self-proclaimed

I keep wanting to hold back on my admiration for Elon because of his ties to government money, including business with the CCP, but he keeps doing things like this. So I wonder if he is someone like that Schindler dude who rescued all those Jews in Nazi Germany, the one who Spielberg did a movie about,

Schindler was a guy who was making do with the corrupt government, grifting even. But he reached a tipping point inside himself about colluding with evil. There is a line he couldn't cross and still look himself in the mirror. So he stepped up and did something to mitigate the effects of the evil.

I wonder if Elon is like that. The world is swimming in a sewer of lies and corruption while Elon wants to dream about humans living on Mars and beyond. But the stench from the sewer is stinking up that dream.

Besides, the ones giving the power of AI over to lies (wokeness as a replacement for reality) could destroy all possibility of achieving that dream.

So he is going to do something about it.

I do not yet believe in this story 100%, but I really want to believe in it.

As a story alone, it is Hollywood at its finest.

(gravelly male voice)

"In a world gone mad, in a world where evil rules, where death and destruction is everywhere and people cry out in pain... there arose... one man..."

 

 

I am going to keep an eye on this. Part of rational independent thinking is recognizing the good when it appears, not just seeing the hidden bad.

So for now until greater clarity is possible, let's have fun with it.

Elon sure is.

 

Michael

The problems are more with the general public's overestimation of AI and what it can do than with the AI itself, even if programmed neutrally.

EDIT: The level of significance or authority attached to any answer, decision, or functioning, i.e. the reliance and trust in it, is the biggest potential problem. 

First AI does not and cannot actually think.  It "learns" from what it is fed whether or not it is correct or is logically consistent.  If it is fed 90% flawed material, 9.99999999 % normal relatively accurate material, and then in one paper or book given all the keys to logic and conceptualization ... it will completely ignore the one paper, and "parrot" the patterns from the pathways that have been burned into it from the overwhelmingly flawed stuff.  In fact it could not understand the one paper and has not been programmed to do so... AI is amplification of patterns, a glorified parrot... this is not thinking by any stretch.

AI will become political and flawed, even more so than humans, based on what it is fed, i.e. who feeds it.

Finger pointing will continue and these chatter boxes will just contribute more gibberish into and out of the various echo chambers.

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

4 hours ago, Strictlylogical said:

First AI does not and cannot actually think.

S,

This actually goes deeper. 

According to Angus Fletcher, the story dude I follow who is working with DARPA on AI (Angus is also specialized in neuroscience and fell off into AI through DARPA), there are two kinds of neurons.

1. The first is for processing sensory input data. Math, grammar and other systemic standards come from these neurons, especially since they are the closest to Rand's idea of the mind as a Blank State. These neurons are heavily data reliant.

The thing about AI is that it can outperform these neurons by leaps and bounds in both quantity and speed of recall.

2. There is another kind of neuron that controls muscles. These neurons need very little data and they control movement, much of which is automatic, or grows into automatic movements movement schema. Story (or narrative of schema or whatever term you like) arises from these neurons. On a base level, movements like heartbeat and breathing do not need data to operate. And a little kid screaming at the top of his lung as he runs around a room flapping his arms about needs a little data, but in comparison with the sensory input processing neurons, it needs hardly any data at all.  

Computers don't do this kind of processing, meaning AI doesn't.

 

The sensory input data are processed only in the present (by Neurons 1). Movements are processed in the past, present and future (by Neurons 2). I'm not talking about the product of the processing, but the actual processing. When a muscle neuron fires, it includes causality. And even though it only occurs in the present like all things do, within its processing are the past and future parts of the movement. 

The combination of the two kinds of neurons, added to growth cycle and free will, is what makes the human mind so powerful.

In my own conception, this, to me, shows just how modular the human brain is, and why there are different kinds of main stories and so much variety of details. 

 

Now for the scary part. The work Angus is doing for DARPA is to develop computer processing of the motor neurons the why they work with humans. What the f... could possibly go wrong? Hmmm?...

Even so, without free will, I can't imagine AI taking over the world.

 

There's another part. I am reading a book on predators right now called Deadly Powers by Paul Trout. He claims storytelling mostly arose from humans dealing with predators. And one of the primal level fears of humans is to be chewed up by a predator and eaten. This used to happen a lot, especially back when weapons were mostly fists and stones. So this fear evolved in humans since the beginning of the beginning.

That's why when I see people being afraid of AI chomping them up and eating them (in metaphorical terms), I know this is old stuff from an evolutionary lens. The fear, and the story, for that matter, has more to do with lethal mammals, lizards and snakes, birds and sea creatures (and dinosaurs) than with how AI works.

 

Michael

[william.scherk]

On 3/1/2023 at 12:24 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

According to Angus Fletcher, [...] there are two kinds of neurons. 

Does that mean there are only two types of cells in the brain and nervous systems of a human being? Did it check out in your testing phases of IDing correctly?

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

For those who are interested in the two kinds of neurons in the brain, here are a couple of videos by Angus Fletcher where he goes into them.

 

Below is his most recent video on YouTube where he goes a bit into the evolution of the the two different kinds and implies they are in all animals. He refers to the first kind as the visual neuron for the evolutionary part of the discussion, but I have little doubt he includes the other sensory input neurons. I say this from having seen and read quite a bit by him. And the second kind are motor neurons.

The purpose of the visual neurons is to collect data about the environment and it processes this according to truth. The motor neurons evolved for organisms to be able to act randomly in order to avoid predators and keep from being eaten. It processes reality in terms of causality.

Truth is timeless, it is only processed in the brain in the present. Causality is processed over time.

These are two different kinds of thinking and they are the reason ChatGPT will never evolve a creative personality. Angus calls ChatGPT one of the biggest plagiarism systems ever devised. Fun. But not something that will take over humanity.  

Here is the video.

 

 

Angus works at times at DARPA and has devised exercises the US armed forces use to develop their story abilities (based on motor neurons). The idea is to give them tools for acting in environments where there is little data.

These are longish videos, but well worth the time.

Or, there will be his new book out later this year called Storythinking. (Referral.) I believe he will go into this a lot deeper in the book.

Michael

[Guyau]

 

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