China Blue and China Dirty

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

According to Xi Van Fleet, her recent interview with Tucker Carlsen is gaining traction within mainland China.

 

 

I don't really want to do a lot of cross-posting, but this is a thread devoted to China and the thread where this came from is devoted to someone reading Atlas Shrugged. 

This is important, especially in O-Land. I believe people in O-Land get China wrong. Yet the CCP is the one of the biggest political threats I see to the world.

21 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Xi Van Fleet doesn't just talk theory. She illustrates theory with her lived experience. She is super-clear.

This lady lived under Maoism and she points to what is happening in America as the same thing as what happened when Mao took over China and indoctrinated the population. 

She says the reason for Mao's techniques is to make a power-grab. Nothing more. No ideology. No social virtue. No concern for humanity. It's all about power.

 

I got her book below in audiobook form. I have not yet read it, but I look forward to it.

Mao's America: A Survivor's Warning by Xi Van Fleet (referral link).

 

So how does Ayn Rand fit into all of this? I think Rand's notion that philosophy moves the world is too broad in scope. Philosophy is ONE of the components that moves the world, not the single main one. I now believe there is a small group of main ones based on human nature and philosophy is among them.

Mao knew human nature. He used force wedded to a psychological brainwashing system. This system was not based on philosophy, although it used a kind of Marxist philosophy as a storefront. But that was not the main deal to consolidate power. The psychological part of Mao's system was based on specific techniques that screw with human nature like the struggle session (an overtly evil form of status manipulation that includes peer pressure, unjust public accusations, and so on). Also, he made a strict division of people into two categories, the approved and the no-good. He used indoctrination education for the young, and crowd control techniques for the mature, and lots of propaganda for both to make people swallow that.

On the force end, Mao did the obvious by eliminating people who challenged his power. Or he sent them to reeducation camps. In other words, he used force to take civilian opponents off the playing field. But he used other force tactics. For example, Mao let gangs he nurtured take over China as he weakened the police. At a certain moment, normal people just wanted the chaos and violence to stop.

At that point, Mao took power. And the gangs? Oh, he got rid of them. He said they disappointed him and he sent them to work on farms. Or he just killed off the more difficult individuals.

 

This is happening in America right now. And, for as much as I hate to admit it, there is very little in Ayn Rand's works and ideas that present a practical form of combating this--as it is happening. It's OK to use terms like "intellectual ammunition," but what good is that ammunition if it allows the bad guys to take over because it does not address what they are doing in the way they are doing it?

I fully agree with Rand on the big picture, freedom, individualism, reason, capitalism, and so on as components of the ideal. I do not see where this works, though, when the guns come out against innocents and super-competent indoctrination and brainwashing techniques kick into high gear.

Watch Xi Van Fleet's interview with Tucker or read her book. You will see what I mean.

 

I want to make it clear that this is not either-or with Rand. It is taking the good part of Rand and adding to it. 

We either do that, meaning pay attention to people like Xi Van Fleet and others, or we get used to the taste of the CCP's boot-leather.

Just ask the J6 prisoners if you don't believe it. The propaganda against them and their imprisonment are straight-up Mao techniques.

 

And to make matters worse on the O-Land score, there are many people who are O-Land celebrities who made their money from the Chinese Communist Party. See this thread: Objectivism and the Chinese Communist Party.

 

So what's it going to be, O-Land? Are you going to let people like Xi Van Fleet do your heavy lifting as you evade reality? Because beating down the CCP will get done. With you or without you.

Do you want to be relevant to a clear and present danger? Or do some of the O-Land celebrities just want to count their CCP money in private and pretend the CCP will not come for them if it takes over?

In this corner of O-Land, we are small but we are relevant to a real danger in the world. Count us in.

Michael

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

Here is a guy who says it is now all roses and lollipops in China as compared to 5 years ago.

I would not bother with this and dismiss it as propaganda, except Darren Beatie (from Revolver) is anti-CCP in the extreme. He's always on Bannon's show. And Molson Hart is followed by some of the people I follow, not one of whom are CCP-puppet material.

Also, is what molson presents a Chinese version of a Potemkin village? I mean, the effects look real, but at the cost of what? What is missing from the picture?

Anyway, to be fair and use my identify correctly in order to judge correctly standard, I gotta look at this.

I am not sure of what to make of it yet.

I agree with moslon that in the last 5 years, America has decayed a lot. I am suspicious in the extreme of how much he says China has improved (implicitly meaning under the CCP). 

 

There is one thing that scares me.

Those who are into big tech and big government surveillance will hold this up as a model of why they should be in charge. Why they should be our masters.

 

Any thoughts out there?

As Darren said, this one is important.

 

btw - That muted bustling sound you hear is Ayn Rand rolling over in her grave.

 

Michael

[Strictlylogical]

7 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Here is a guy who says it is now all roses and lollipops in China as compared to 5 years ago.

I would not bother with this and dismiss it as propaganda, except Darren Beatie (from Revolver) is anti-CCP in the extreme. He's always on Bannon's show. And Molson Hart is followed by some of the people I follow, not one of whom are CCP-puppet material.

Also, is what molson presents a Chinese version of a Potemkin village? I mean, the effects look real, but at the cost of what? What is missing from the picture?

Anyway, to be fair and use my identify correctly in order to judge correctly standard, I gotta look at this.

I am not sure of what to make of it yet.

I agree with moslon that in the last 5 years, America has decayed a lot. I am suspicious in the extreme of how much he says China has improved (implicitly meaning under the CCP). 

 

There is one thing that scares me.

Those who are into big tech and big government surveillance will hold this up as a model of why they should be in charge. Why they should be our masters.

 

Any thoughts out there?

As Darren said, this one is important.

 

btw - That muted bustling sound you hear is Ayn Rand rolling over in her grave.

 

Michael

I suspect that Darren judges this to be important not so much because of the "what" being said by Molson, but perhaps because of the mere fact that Molson is saying it... and what has lead up to Molson saying it (all the action or inaction of the CPP...) and the timing of Molson's saying it.  I note Darren seems to specifically choose to preface this only with one word and with no explanation... such is not accidental, he is asking us to guess "why", i.e. he prefers not to simply tell us, but wants us to put on our thinking caps.

Perhaps it is an outwardly appearing "improvement" manufactured carefully at huge costs, over many years, and is being permitted to be reported on by the likes of Molson (who is not in possession of all the information) to the west in order that it be seen superficially, and in order that the west's sees the fact that Molson is reporting on it.......  for particular purposes of the CCP.

Big Tech and BiG Govt need no preaching to... but the average citizen tempted by communism and socialism, as well as the swing voter not so sure about the "conspiracies".... they are susceptible to suggestion regarding reality... and in the end, suggestion to act or vote in certain ways.  Few people would get the same sense as I do from the video... the slaves have been brow beaten into obedience and orderliness...

 

I suspect the final conclusion is that the fact of this and its being reported are big propaganda to further erode the west.

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

A rumor is going around that Xi had a stroke.

Man, I can't help link some dots, even though they might not link in reality. Since Saturday:

1. Trump suffers an assassination attempt.
2. The assassination fails due to a fluke.
3. Xi suffers a stroke.

Looks like causality to me...

 

Michael