The Biden Troubles


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The Biden Troubles

Where to start?

(For later readers, this thread was started 8 days before the 2020 Election.)

There are several threads all over OL dealing with this idea or that (election, Deep State, social media, etc.), but the news about the Bidens gets scattered among them. This Biden topic is about way more than just election news. This is the tip of the iceberg in probably one of the biggest scandals in American History.

(Heh. And I thought that dishonor belonged to Hillary Clinton and the Deep State. At least they are caught up in this Biden mess enough to not walk away Scott free.)

So far with the Bidens, we have two major areas of scandal unfolding. Here's a summary.

 

Scandal No. 1: Joe Biden selling himself and his office.

This boils down to Joe running a shakedown operation for years and/or accepting bribes, even while he was Vice President under President Obama. It mostly worked like the following, and for the sake of simplicity, this is the VP version. Joe Biden has done this all his life whenever he has had political power, so it will look different for different times and situations in his life, but the underlying process will be the same.

1. Joe will take on the responsibility of becoming the point man to resolve an important issue.

2. He will establish contact with the people who are causing the problem. There will be a family member along with him.

3. He will negotiate with those who have the problem, then after some time passes, he was "fail." They will lose. The problem was too complicated, the people were too intransigent, certain conditions were not met, etc. etc. etc., but he will indicate to them that the problem-handling is not over and there is still hope for a better day.

4. The family member, who will have disappeared by now, will suddenly have a sweetheart deal from the people who caused the problem and won.

5. That family member will make sure Joe gets his money and he will make sure the money is distributed correctly to the partners and other family members through different schemes.

As VP, here are just three issues Biden "failed" at in this manner.

-- VP Joe went to Iraq to negotiate a Status of Forces agreement, meaning US troops could stay there. Oops. He failed. Jim Biden (Joe's brother) soon got a 1.5 billion dollar housing redevelopment contract in Iraq.

-- VP Joe went to China to get the Chinese Communist Party to settle disputes re the South China Sea and to get lower tariffs. Oops. Another fail by Joe. China built island military bases in the South China Sea (as The Philippines and other island countries went "Gulp"), and raised tariffs. Joe's son, Hunter, and his pals suddenly got a huge amount of business from Chinese companies linked to the CPP--millions and billions of dollars of business. 

-- VP Joe went to the Ukraine to help tackle the rampant corruption there in order to make the country more palatable for international investors. Oops. Joe failed again. The oligarchs there (one big one in particular) got off Scott free. Even the people investigating them stopped investigating them. (It's complicated, I know. Right? Poor Joe. :) ). Then Joe's son, Hunter, gets placed on the board of the energy company Burisma, with millions of dollars flowing around all over the place for Hunter, his pals, and other fellow travelers, and wouldn't you know it? Burisma is owned by one of the corrupt oligarchs.

It looks like the people involved in helping set up these deals and cover them up go all the way up to President Obama. I have little doubt corroboration is coming along with a reckoning. A big honking ugly reckoning. 

 

Scandal No. 2: Hunter Biden.

Joe's son, Hunter, is a mess. He's addicted to crack cocaine and likes taking explicit sex pictures and videos of himself. It looks like he has been engaged in some pedophilia and incest while he's at it.

(Did his parents know and did they cover it up? That's a big deal if so.)

All of this is mostly tabloid stuff, but the real issue is that Hunter is careless about leaving tracks all over the damn place. For example, he left his laptop at a repair shop and simply didn't go pick it up. Then it became the property of the shop owner.

In other words, whatever is coming out now in the alt news and (against its will) the mainstream news is already in the hands of the Chinese Communist Party, the secret services of different foreign governments, the Deep State right here in the USA, and God knows where else. Does anyone think Hunter Biden, and by extension, Joe Biden can be compromised to do the bidding of powers hostile to the USA? How about if Joe Biden is President? How does that sound? How far would he go to protect his son?

On the personal side, Hunter's father put him in contact with some nasty dangerous world players. Hunter has to be wondering when he will get knocked off or kidnapped. He has to. (Thanks, dad...) And that's not good in a person with crack addiction. He becomes totally unpredictable. 

Also, there are a lot of pro-Trump people who think exploiting the Hunter Biden debauchery material is distasteful, etc. etc. etc., and it distracts from the bribery, money laundering and other crimes.

I believe it does not. The public can certainly gossip about more than one thing at a time. I've seen it with my own two innocent eyes. :) 

On the positive side, I think this gross material provides a sunlit open window for the public to see how the ruling class acts and how vulnerable many of them are. These elitists, these rich and powerful ruling class people--and their families--do things that affect you and me in our daily lives. Saying they are perverted and vulnerable is not nearly as persuasive as showing it.

If President Trump gets reelected (he will :) ) and goes on to take down a huge number of these horrible people, it is much better that the public have an image of what is going on so they believe it, rather than just words that can be twisted by massive fake news campaigns to fit narratives.

So be warned that there will be some raunchy stuff on this thread.

But I want to make it clear that this raunchy stuff will be accessed through links, not shown directly in the thread. If anyone posts explicit sex pictures on OL, I will take them down.

 

I will try to dig up some pertinent posts already on OL and repost them in this thread (or at least link to them with commentary) just so people interested in this topic don't have to search all over the place. Also, as new disclosures come out, I will put them here as I become aware of them. Please feel free to add new material.

I can't guarantee the information here will be in any kind of order, but at least skimming through one thread is easier than looking all over the place.

 

I have mixed feelings about doing this thread. I'm glad to help take down bad guys. But I'm sad this is happening here in the USA. I'm amused at times. But, also, more than anything else, I'm pissed.

Like with any toxic problem, we either clean it up or die from it.

So, let's live. Time to raise the old shirtsleeves and dig in.

Michael

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Let's start with this one breaking just now.

BREAKING EXCLUSIVE: Text Messages Show VP Biden and His Wife Colluded to Suppress HUNTER’S ACTIONS WITH A CERTAIN MINOR

You can read the texts there. But this part at the end bears emphasis.

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These texts paint a horrible picture of what is going on behind the scenes in the Biden family.

What the hell was going on in the Biden household?  If a minor was involved, why did no one contact the police?  Why was this hidden from the public?  Was this because it would tarnish Joe’s political image?  Most importantly, is the child safe now?

VP Biden, this is no lie.  It’s not coming from President Trump.  This is not Russian disinformation.  It’s coming from your nuclear family. 

Now wonder former President Obama did not want to endorse Joe Biden until he had to.

Joe was like family to him, right?

:) 

Michael

 

EDIT: Here's a follow-up to that story. There are some tweets in the article with short one to one-and-a-half minute videos where Steven Bannon and others highlight aspects of these texts.

TGP’s Jim Hoft Joins The Bannon War Room to Discuss the HUGE Breaking Story that Rocked the Biden Family — “There’s More to Come Tomorrow”

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There are so many posts about Biden corruption in the Deep State Unraveling section, it would be clunky to list them here. So a link is better. 

Each page of posts has 25 posts on them and there are at least three full pages starting here:

Biden Corruption Posts in the Deep State Unraveling Section

There are only a few posts not dealing with the Biden scandal in that block of three full pages, so it reads almost like a dedicated discussion. It's great reading for those following this scandal. There are plenty of curated links, too.

So if you want to go through this story from right before the appearance of Hunter's laptop, go there, then come back here.

I have little doubt this current thread, The Biden Troubles, will fill up with plenty of material before too long.

:) 

Michael

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Here is an older OL thread from October 2019 that has good information about the Ukraine mess.

In fact, I called it:

The Ukraine Mess

:) 

There are some videos by Polly that no longer appear on that thread since Google canceled her account. I will try to find BitChute or other replacements before too long.

 

There is excellent material from Rudy Giuliani on this thread from February, 2020, too:

Rudy against Obama and the Deep State

I didn't keep this thread up and Rudy has done other "Common Sense" videos since I stopped. I will probably put the rest of the videos up, especially since they deal more and more with the Bidens as they go along.

(I wish he wouldn't do the cigar commercials, though. :) But the good things in life, like watching Rudy lay out a case--man is he great, come with a price.)

Michael

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Here are a few posts from the middle of October in the thread, The 2020 Presidential Election Tournament. 

On 10/14/2020 at 6:28 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

I can't thank Twitter enough for helping President Trump win reelection.

The Twitter people really don't have a clue about how this resonates.

They think this is the same as locking out Alex Jones.

Poor stupid bastards.

I hope they keep doing this stuff over and over.

:) 

Michael

 

On 10/14/2020 at 6:42 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Here is why they did that.

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There is the pro-Trump impact this attempted bullying will have on the election, but as to the Hunter Biden story, Twitter just ramped up the Streisand effect into the stratosphere.

Michael

 

On 10/14/2020 at 7:56 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Let's see if Twitter has the balls and death-wish to censor this:

The sharks are smelling blood.

That tweet by DT Jr. is made to provoke a Twitter reaction. It is shark bait. 

I would not want to be one of the Twitter people who brought this on.

:)

Michael

 

On 10/15/2020 at 9:36 AM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Ouch ouch ouch ouch ouch...

Rudy just got concrete evidence to nail Joe Biden on a RICO violation. It's an email from Hunter Biden admitting he kicks back half of his money to his father.

I don't know if this tweet will stay up, but for now it is there.

I don't know if the DOJ will bring charges soon, but Joe ain't looking so good right now.

Rudy said he's convicted hundreds of people on less evidence than that.

Michael

 

On 10/15/2020 at 9:55 AM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Styx put this video on a tweet this morning and President Trump just retweeted it.

Styx said if all this is true, Biden is no longer eligible to run.

He's a criminal among other things.

Michael

 

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Now for the raunchy stuff.

On 10/24/2020 at 6:17 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

This one is gross. Talk about sex...

I am working on a rather long transcript of an interview of Rudy Giuliani by Dan Bongino that is more damning than before. I will post that over at the Deep State Unraveling thread-Rudy interview. The reason I will not put it here is because something new came up and it is the worst I have seen against Hunter Biden. It doesn't blow the interview out of the water, but it comes close. It's at the Gateway Pundit below.

BREAKING: China’s GTV Releases Videos of Hunter Biden Sex Tapes while Smoking Crack

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China’s GTV loaded video of Joe Biden’s son Hunter Biden smoking crack cocaine while engaging in sex with an unknown person.

WARNING ON CONTENT!!

The first GTV video is titled: Exclusive! Hunter Biden’s Sex Tapes, The CCP’s “BGY” Infiltration in the U.S., Evil Alliance to Dominate the World

GTV announced they will be releasing more video.

The GTV link is here. This link was in the excerpt above, but I am posting it separately to include a WARNING WARNING WARNING. This is pure explicit porn with HB in the starring role. The video has a preface of some men addressing a meeting in Chinese, then the nitty-gritty starts. ONLY CLICK ON THAT LINK IF YOU ARE OK WITH SEEING THIS.

I wondered why the Chinese TV station would broadcast such a thing, so I did some digging. And it all came together.

GTV belongs to GTV Media Group. Guess who the partners are?

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GTV Media Group is an American company formed in April 2020 by Steve Bannon and Guo Wengui.

:)

Heh...

Guo Wengui is a Chinese billionaire who is royally pissed at the Chinese Communist Party and we all know who Steve Bannon is. :)

If I read the tea leaves correctly, when Steve Bannon was arrested in August for the We Build the Wall project, there were some fingers in that pie that came from the Chinese Communist Party (they are after Wengui) and the Deep State (the CCP calling in favors, to put it delicately).

Well, Steve has access to Hunter Biden's laptop and it is payback time big-time. :) I bet even President Trump is thinking about fondly as he remembers the Access Hollywood tape scandal. :evil: 

They are simply going to drip drip drip those Hunter Biden videos until there is nothing left of Joe Biden's campaign. And we all know, the first drip is always impactful, but not nearly the worst. I suspect this material will be spread like lightning using email since there will be a massive effort to suppress it.

But, I also bet the reporters will eventually pile on, unable to resist the siren's call of the World's Biggest Story. Only a few cracks need to appear, then the dam will bust wide open.

I've tried to find out in which country GTV is hosted, but normal search engines (several) are all gummed up over this. I have seen comments that it is in Taiwan, but I haven't confirmed this.

There is no way for the establishment media and tech giants to censor this out of existence. Democrats who are true believers will eventually see this stuff. A sex and drugs scandal spreads more than just about anything.

I doubt GTV they will break USA law and show porn with the underaged girl (or, as it is rumored, girls), but I bet they will find a way to make this issue clear in a shocking enough manner to spread beyond the establishment blackout.

Man, talk about an October surprise!

:)

And think about this. Google, Facebook, Twitter and others knew that this existed when they did their massive censorship campaign. If there is pedophilia in this material, and it looks like there is, what does that make them for trying to cover it up?

That makes them evil. That makes them accomplices to pedophilia. 

That's what.

Michael

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For reference:

Gnews and GTV Will Expose Hard Drive Content For The Next 13 Days (Daily Express — 2020.10.24)

Gnews and GTV are based in Taiwan.

They are constantly running stuff on Hunter Biden and Joe Biden right now.

Here are the direct links to them. Warning. Some of the stuff is raunchy.

Gnews

GTV

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5 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

-- VP Joe went to China to get the Chinese Communist Party to settle disputes re the South China Sea and to get lower tariffs. Oops. Another fail by Joe. China built island military bases in the South China Sea (as The Philippines and other island countries went "Gulp"), and raised tariffs. Joe's son, Hunter, and his pals suddenly got a huge amount of business from Chinese companies linked to the CPP--millions and billions of dollars of business. 

Here is Rudy saying it to Steve Bannon.

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15 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

-- VP Joe went to China to get the Chinese Communist Party to settle disputes re the South China Sea and to get lower tariffs. Oops. Another fail by Joe. China built island military bases in the South China Sea (as The Philippines and other island countries went "Gulp"), and raised tariffs. Joe's son, Hunter, and his pals suddenly got a huge amount of business from Chinese companies linked to the CPP--millions and billions of dollars of business. 

This article spells out what that means and shows just how much Joe Biden acted in a treasonous manner toward the USA. 

Did Joe Biden Give The Chinese The South China Sea?
 

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As the evidence mounts suggesting Joe Biden was directly involved in taking cash from the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) there is a growing chorus of voices raising the possibility that Biden could be blackmailed by the Chinese into doing their bidding in the future. As terrifying as that possibility is it should not be our chief worry. Our primary concern should be not that Biden might be turned. It should be that he has already been turned, and he is already doing Beijing’s bidding.

. . .

In 2012 Filipino authorities detained Chinese fishermen illegally operating inside the territorial waters of the Philippines. This action was in the vicinity of the Scarborough Shoals. It was also inside the area designated by the Chinese Communist Party as being its territory. Pursuant to this historically unsustainable claim 85% of the South China Sea “belongs” to Beijing.

In response to the legitimate action of the Filipino authorities, the Chinese flooded the area around Scarborough Shoal with Chinese vessels. The Shoal is only 124 nautical miles from the principal Philippine island of Luzon and 550 nautical miles from China’s Hainan Island. It is strategically located in proximity to the entrance to both Manila and Subic Bays. The presence of Chinese forces at this location was, therefore, a direct threat to the national security of the Philippines.

Shortly following this confrontation between China and the Philippines, the United States brokered an agreement for both sides to withdraw their vessels from the area. Manila complied. Beijing ignored the accord. The Obama Administration dropped the matter.

The Chinese remain in control of the area to this day.

In Manila, American inaction was seen as a betrayal. The long-standing American alliance with the Philippines had been tested and found worthless. The cascading impact of this failure to stand with Manila continues to impact our relations with the Philippines to this day.

An emboldened China moved to exploit the clearly evident American weakness. Within months the Chinese were expanding into the Senkaku Island in the East China Sea and infringing on Japanese territorial waters.

In the South China Sea, Scarborough Shoal proved only the beginning. The Chinese streamed vessels into vast expanses of ocean claimed by the Philippines and ignored Manila’s demands that they withdraw.

Then the Chinese got serious. What began as incursions by Chinese ships transformed into something else entirely. In December 2013, the Chinese began building islands in the South China Sea – literally creating dry land where none had existed. These islands became military bases. The Chinese deployed forces including aircraft and missiles. One of the world’s most strategic waterways through which passes a huge amount of critical trade was systematically incorporated into the Chinese Communist state.

The new islands were even formally declared by the Chinese to be part of the province of Hainan.

. . .

In December 2013, the same month the Chinese launched their South China island-building operations, then Vice-President Biden arrived in China aboard Air Force Two. With him on the plane was his son Hunter, already well known to the Chinese from a wide range of previous contacts. Joe and Hunter walked down the stairs from the plane together and received an official state welcome.

Then Joe went off to meetings with Chinese officials and Hunter went off to a meeting where he was given $1 billion from the State Bank of China. That amount, — investment capital in a joint enterprise Hunter entered into with the Chinese Communists — would shortly thereafter be upped to $1.5 billion.

During Joe’s meetings, which were held in the midst of the expanding Chinese seizure of large portions of the world’s most important waterways, his focus was on trade issues. The entire South China Sea situation was largely ignored.

. . .

The Chinese continued their island-building operations in the South China Sea until October 2015. At that time — having largely completed their occupation of the area — the construction of new islands stopped. Diplomatic discussions between the United States and China regarding the matter continued without result. No action was ever taken by the United States to push back on Chinese militarization of the South China Sea. According to at least one source, when President Obama considered sending the U.S. Navy into the area Joe talked him out of it.

This guy belongs in jail.

Michael

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I was going to provide the transcript for this post over in the Deep State Unraveling section, but since it describes the process of Biden selling out the USA so well, here is a great place.

On 10/24/2020 at 5:29 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

This is really damaging to the Bidens, even more than before.

The interview with Rudy starts at 36:46 and runs to 1:10:05.

I have embedded it to start there at the right place, but just in case it doesn't, go there manually with the slider.

Transcript coming.

Here is the transcript. For those who don't like to watch videos, it's a hell of a read.

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Bongino: Now to my interview with former Mayor Rudy Giuliani. Ladies and gentleman, this one gets a little emotional at times. I really can't believe what Biden did to his family and what the Chinese were really up to. Pay very close attention to this interview with former Mayor Rudy Giuliani. Check this out. 

I'm pleased to welcome back to the show former Mayor of New York City and lawyer to the President, Rudy Giuliani. Mr. Mayor, thank you so much for joining us again. Your first episode was one of our--if not the most--watched interview we've ever done on the show. So we appreciate you coming back thank you very much. 

Giuliani: Well thank you so much then. I'm glad to be back. You've been nothing less than heroic.

Bongino: No. Gosh thank you. Well, likewise. You exposing this disastrous information on the Biden crime family has just been incredible. The man appears to be a national security threat right now running for president. Mr. Mayor, I've been following this story on my show. You have been at the forefront of getting this information out there. 

We got some devastating new revelations in one of the ugliest scandals I've seen in a long time about--it's disturbing to even talk about--potential inappropriate behavior with children on Hunter Biden's computer. I have not seen these photos. You have. You went to the police. How bad is this stuff? 

Giuliani: I've got to be careful, obviously, how I describe it. It does involve minors.

Bongino: Sure.

Giuliani: First let me read to you the way he, Hunter Biden, describes it, because it'll give you both sides of it, and then the problem. He wrote in September 23, 2018 to his father. He wrote the following. 

"She," she meaning his sister in law with whom he had a relationship, "lived in our home. She told my therapist that I was sexually inappropriate with the 14 year old girl. When she says that I FaceTime naked with her, and the reason I can't have her out to see me, is because I'll walk around naked, smoking crack, telling tom-girls on FaceTime. When she was pressed, she said that 'I never said anything like that,' but the bottom line is that I create and cause a very unsafe environment for the kids." 

So. You have 2 versions. Right? You have the therapist and the girl apparently saying that he FaceTimed naked with her. And that he walked around naked in front of her smoking crack. According to him, when she was pressed she withdrew it. So we don't know... 

But he does admit that he created--to his father--a very unsafe environment for the kids. Well that's enough. An unsafe environment for the kids would require mandatory reporting, if I was a mandatory reporter--as you were when you were a police officer, or I was when I was the Mayor or U. S. attorney--but it's worse than that, really. 

There are 3 or 4 other texts from family members about how dangerous the environment is for the kids. And then there are a whole group of photographs. It's very hard to describe. Let me talk about the adult ones first. 

The adult photographs are pornography. Him involved in it. A lot of shots of him admiring his private parts. A lot of shots of him smoking crack, kind of like Weiner. A lot of him smoking crack. A lot of him smoking crack and having sex with one or two women. Um... a kind of fetish thing that he does. So these are all over the computer. 

Also, all over the computer are pictures of 14 or 15 year old girls in seductive poses of different kinds. Some are normal. Some are quite normal. Some are marginal and some are quite clear. And one is very clear. 

So when we came across that, Bernie Kerik and I were examining it and we went over the text messages first. I found this maybe 3 or 4 days ago, this text message about where he was walking around naked, and then she says no, but he created an unsafe environment. And that's what motivated me to go and take a good look at the pictures. And I was shocked when I saw them. 

So, this is not my area of expertise and, in many ways it's not even Bernie's. Right? So we called 2 very, very, highly skilled former New York City detectives who did child endangerment cases as a career. 

And I showed it to them and I said, "What are my obligations here? What do I have to do?" 

And they said, "Well, actually since it's been given to the FBI, you don't have to do anything. But since the FBI has had it for almost a year, and from every other aspect of the case there seems to have been no action taken, you should probably be safe and report it to the local police." 

Well, because the local police is in Delaware and he owns Delaware. Right? But we thought: to heck with it. Bernie and I don't get afraid to easily. Right? So I called the Delaware police. I probably made them faint. And I told them who I was and I told them I wanted to come and deliver what I consider to be material that I had an obligation to deliver to them, and that they had an obligation to investigate. 

So we went down there on Monday morning. We brought with us the illustrations that we thought kind of laid this out. We also brought the entire hard drive if they wanted it. And we showed it to them. Did a long presentation. They examined it. They asked for the hard drive. And then they basically assured us that they were going to, you know, analyze it and investigate it. And then we learned the day later that they sent it up to the AG of Delaware, who's a politically elected official, Democrat and ally of Senator Biden's. And then she punted it to the FBI. 

So think about that. Right? It made a circle. It's been with the FBI for ten months. They've taken no action. And they sent it back to the FBI. But something did happen. 

Early yesterday there was a leak from the FBI that the emails that we presented, the ones that Chris Wallace accused me of being unreliable--I'm not happy about that... 

Bongino: Yeah, you shouldn't be. Right?

Giuliani: The FBI found to be accurate, valid, and connected to an ongoing money laundering case that they have going on. And I have some knowledge of that case. And then, beyond the money laundering case, there are 5 cases here that, if I were a US attorney, I could have this indictment, assuming the testimony works out the same way as the text messages and emails, probably have the indictment in a month. And they're very serious cases. 

We know some of them. I mean we know about Ukraine. And we know that Hunter Biden was paid--the total amount is in excess of ten million dollars in Ukraine including some money laundered payments that haven't been counted. I have the proof of that. 

I think I showed you that once, the document that goes from Ukraine, the money goes from Ukraine to Latvia, Latvia to Cyprus. It's disguised as loans to fictitious companies. And then it ends up in the Hunter Biden, John Kerry's stepson company. 

So we get about ten to fourteen million dollars from Ukraine that comes to that--for no apparent reason. Because we now find out that Hunter never showed up in Ukraine. So now we have to describe this as a no-show job. A no-show job means they are being paid for something else. 

You can assume what that something else is since Joe Biden acted to have the prosecutor dismissed. But remember, the prosecutor was not just investigating Hunter Biden. The prosecutor was investigating a very dangerous organized criminal, a Ukrainian oligarch named Mykola Zlochevsky, who had stolen five billion dollars and was in exile. 

He was Hunter's employee. 

Bongino: He was running Burisma. Correct Mr. Mayor? 

Giuliani: Yes. From afar. 

Bongino: Now, to be clear, though. They also, Burisma, didn't just... this isn't just about Hunter Biden, also, Mr. Mayor. I covered on my show the other day--they had also hired other Democrat people--politically connected Democrats. You know, Devon Archer connected to John Kerry. The lighter guy who was John Kerry's old chief of staff. These Burisma guys knew what they were doing when they were hiring politically connected Democrats like Biden, Hunter Biden. 

Giuliani: Yeah. And they also knew something that the American media covers up, and that's Joe's for sale. Joe has been for sale since she was a cheap little Senator in Delaware and you could get him for a few thousand dollars. 

I mean, it was notorious that Joe's brother, James, was probably the most unethical lobbyist in Washington--constantly getting Biden in trouble. And Biden would always get away with it by saying, "I don't know anything about my family's business." 

I figure you can say that, I mean, take Corleone [?], he got to say it once. Any other criminal gets to say it twice. You say three times: "I don't know my family's business," your family's business is to shake people down for money. And I'm gonna put you in jail. But he said it about 10 times. But because he's Joe Biden it was left alone. 

So we have the Ukraine and we have 5 witnesses sitting in the Ukraine that are ready to get on a plane and come here and testify under oath that this was a bribe to Joe Biden--not having to do with Hunter at all. Hunter was was the bag man. Hunter was the conduit to make... to hide the payment to Joe. 

So then the second one we have is Iraq. In Iraq, he's appointed and sent there to negotiate a Status of Forces agreement so that we're allowed to keep troops there. 

He fails miserably in doing that, which leads to the death of a substantial number of people because our troops aren't there--including people in the MEK who I and many other people represent. These are Iranian dissidents who sided with the United States and were killed in that period of time when we didn't have protection for them because Joe Biden failed. 

But once again Joe Biden failed like he did the Ukraine, but the Biden family did really well. His brother James, who has as little experience in housing as Hunter has in energy, becomes part of a 1.5 billion dollar housing redevelopment contract in Iraq just at the time that he becomes point man. And it looks like he could have pulled out big money. A hundred million. He got one third of 1.5 billion. It's hard to tell who the hidden partners were, but he got a lot of money. And that money went to him not because he knows a damn thing about housing. It went to him to pay off Joe. And once again, Joe fails the United States. 

Now we move to Russia where he gets 3.5 million from the--Hunter does--from the wife of the mayor of Moscow, who is a very, very close associate of Vladimir Putin. It's really--when you count the extra money that comes in, which we've now found--it's getting closer to four million dollars, but it looks to be the first payment in a money laundering scheme that they're trying to set up with Russia. That has to be further investigated. But there is no real explanation for this four million dollars from Russia. 

Now that one got me really mad, Dan, because I spent two and a half years, and the President spent four years defending against the Russian collusion false charge. 

Bongino: Yeah, the hoax. Yeah. 

Giuliani: Well, we didn't get anything from Russia and they got at least four million dollars from Vladimir Putin. 

Bongino: Yeah. Everything they accused the Trump team of, they did themselves. 

Giuliani: Yeah. And there's no explanation for this money, so I can... There's no explanation for money going to the son of the Vice President who can't do anything. I figure the explanation is to influence the Vice President. 

And finally we get to two China transactions. The one that everyone knows about, has been talked about a lot: he flies his son to China on Air Force 2. 

He goes off to negotiate for the US to get them out of the island state dispute with Japan. And to have them lower tariffs. And we don't know what Hunter does--8 days. Joe fails again. They [the Chinese government] don't get out of the islands. In fact, in a short period of time they put more troops there. They don't lower the tariffs. They raise the tariffs. 

The newspapers of the time criticize Joe for being such a failure and point out that the combination of Kerry and Biden is much easier on China than even Hillary Clinton was. What the newspapers at the time don't know is that a private equity fund that is owned by Biden's son, Kerry's stepson, and Whitey Bulger's nephew, got a commitment of 1.5 billion dollars from China. The first one billion came within 8 days of Joe taking him over on Air Force 2. 

Now, that's a partnership with the government of China, because the Bank of China is owned by China, so we had for a rather lengthy period of time a sitting Vice President negotiating with China whose son was a partner with the Chinese Communist Government. 

And no one told us that. Obama never told us. No one told us, I have no idea if American intelligence made a record of it. If they didn't, they should all be... well, they can't be fired anymore, they should be prosecuted, really.

Bongino: Yeah... You know what's stunning, Mr. Mayor? I could not have made it through the Secret Service selection process to protect a President with this kind of stuff on... not even close. I'd probably be under investigation. I mean, we have a man running for the White House and his son and his family seem to be involved in, according to one of their business partners--this man who emerged this week Lieutenant Bobulinski [he has difficulty pronouncing the name] who was a business partner of his... He's not anonymous. He's given his name. 

Who's now saying the Chinese understood, Mr. Mayor, from the start, this was not a return, an ROI operation. They were't looking for a monetary return. It was a political influence operation. 

Giuliani: You know, I have a different word for it. They were bribing him. They were buying him. 

Bongino: As clear as day. 

Giuliani: Okay. Then Joe goes out of office and he's rumored to be the leading Democratic candidate for President. And the Chinese who are... you know...  they were making an investment. They were making an investment buying Joe. And they figured they could really jam him up. 

So the Biden family goes into a partnership: 3 members of the Biden family. James, Sarah, the brother and sister-in-law, and Hunter. With these 2 people, Bobulinski and Gilliar on one side. 

On the other side 3 Chinese Communists. One a very high level member who's also a Chinese high level intelligence operative named Ye Jianming. His operative in America is a gentleman named Stanley Ho. And the other spy they have working in America is Kevin Dong [sic - Gongwen Dong?]. 

They all join in a partnership. Here's the partnership, The Biden family is going to get ten million dollars a year and 50 percent of the profits in order to make introductions for CEFC, which is a Chinese energy company which is owned by the Chinese Communists. It may be a bit of a front for an intelligence operation. To me this looks more like an intelligence operation to jam up the Bidens big time. 

So, now, when we get the hard drive, I start searching it. And, lo and behold, I get the contract. I just told it to you. And then I go a little more into it, and behind it is another piece of paper with another contract. The other contract has something else added to it that isn't in the first one. And the numbers are a little different so you can come up with 10 percent left. And it says 10% to H for the big guy. 

So, I'm sorry, I'm a cynical prosecutor. I knew right away that was Joe Biden. But, of course, I knew the New York Times would say, "Oh, absolutely not. Joe, he's not that big," or "Somebody's made it up," or "The Russians wrote it." Now it wasn't written in Russian but the Russians wrote it. 

So I said we got to corroborate this. So the first thing we did is, we found the document in which they assigned the keys for the new office in which the Bidens [laughs]... I can't even say this. The Bidens were gonna be in business with the Chinese Communists. That's insane. So Hunter says, "Here are the keys we need. Key No. 1, Joe Biden. Key No. 2, Jill Biden. Number 3, James, No. 4, him. So the big guy gets the first key. So that was the first indication of who's the big guy. 

Then, we look through it more carefully and we see that in other references, including social references, people writing to Hunter referring to his father as "The Big Guy." Here's one, just a social reference from a fellow named Jeff Rogers at or about that time. 

"Hunt. See below. Big night in Leipzig. I was not there but heard all about it. The big guy made them happy." 

The speaker that night was Vice President Joe Biden who spoke at the Leipzig [name unclear--firehall?]. Clearly that's a nickname for Joe. 

And then we have, now, Mr. Bobulinski, who was the CEO of this company, by the way, who has testified and submitted an affidavit under oath, that the "big guy" was Joe Biden, that Joe Biden was indeed a participant in the money, that not only that, all that stuff about Joe Biden not knowing about Hunter's foreign business, which I think we disprove the meetings with the Vice President, that that's total crap... that Hunter doesn't do a damn thing without talking to Joe, And that there's no doubt that all over the years, Hunter's been kicking money back to Joe and taking care of Joe's expenses. 

Which explains why Joe, who's never been anything but a Senator and his wife a teacher, has 5 homes. People have always wondered how he got the 5 homes. 

Bongino (laughs): Me, too.

Giuliani: I don't think he's an investment expert. 

Bongino: Yeah. I don't either. Mr. Mayor, you said something there pretty profound. I want to be sure the audience doesn't miss this. 

Is there a possibility here--just to reiterate is--that this, from the start, was a Chinese operation to get dirt on the Bidens, knowing that he would run for the president? I mean, you said that. I just wanna be sure the audience understands--me having some background in intelligence stuff--that's perfectly possible that this could have been an op from the start. Nothing to do with business and everything to do with dirtying up the Bidens. 

Giuliani: Two possibilities. The Chinese are dumb and like to give away billions of dollars. Or the Chinese are--among other things--very intelligent, and they know what they're doing, and they figure it was a good investment in the Vice President since he had a lot of discretion over the islands, the tariffs, and he sold us out like crazy. 

I mean it was pathetic. America was sold out completely. If you lost your job to China somewhere in the mid part of 2015, 16, 17... thank Joe Biden. You lost your job. Biden made 1.5 billion. I mean it's disgusting. 

And then I think they figured that's over, but they had to have another hold on this weak man, so they came up with this deal and the idiot becomes a 10 percent partner. 

But it's worse than that, Dan. There is one text message here that explains the whole 30 year racketeering enterprise. This is the method of payment. 

Joe is the big guy--the boss of the family. Hunter, James, Sarah, possibly Frank, collect the money. They're the bag men. So Joe, I mean Hunter explains now to his daughter--because she's getting older and she may have to take on some of these responsibilities--I mean, Joe likes to keep the crime family in the crime family. 

This is Hunter: 

"I love you all. But I don't receive any respect. And that's fine, I guess. Works for you, apparently. I hope you all can do what I did and pay for everything for this entire family for 30 years. It's really hard. But don't worry. Unlike Pop, I won't make you give me half your salary."

Bongino: Wow. That's incredible. 

Giuliani: For 30 years, Hunter has been giving Biden half of what he earns. Because Hunter has jobs that are fronts to produce bribe money for Joe. 

This is a classic bag man situation. It's also very similar to the way Schweizer, at the beginning of Secret Empires, describes the Chinese form of corruption. They don't pay the principal. They pay the trusted people around the principal, trusting the people around the principal to take care of them, to make sure he gets the proper money at the right time, and to make sure he wants for nothing. 

That's the system they set up. And it went on all throughout this. And I I knew they were doing this 2 years ago. I just couldn't prove it. But every little piece that I got, when I saw this, I said, "I can't believe you put it in writing, Hunter." But all the circumstantial evidence leads to this. This is what's going on. 

This man, Biden, is a thoroughly corrupt human being. And I think he's a very bad man. And I'm going to tell you why I think he's a bad man. Because, when you read all this you realize that Hunter Biden is a very troubled young man. And Hunter Biden, years ago, should have been taken out of this dirty business. And he should have been put in some easy business where a drug addict gets a chance to rehabilitate. 

I know a bit about drug addiction. I think you do, too. And the way in which you deal with drug addicts, you know put them under stress. So this father has his son dealing with some of the worst criminals in the world. 

Mykola Zlochevsky is an organized criminal and a killer. Yelena Baturina may be a woman. She's got her share of notches on her belt. Ye Jianming is a member of Chinese organized crime and, during the course of their partnership, he ended up in the Yangtze River. He's now at the bottom of the Yangtze River if you want to find him. 

A number of people that this kid did business with got killed. The number 2 guy in that partnership went to jail and the first person he asked for when he went to jail was James Biden. And his own partner, Devon Archer, is going to jail.

So his father surrounded him... this reminds me of the mafia. There were the mafia members who kept their kids in the business, and there were mafia members who went to all lengths to get their kids out of the business. 

Joe went to all lengths to keep his kid in the business, and when you feel sorry for Hunter being a drug addict, that's okay. You can feel sorry for him--Hunter being a drug addict. But there's a reason that drug addiction was never cured and the reason it wasn't cured is Joe Biden.

Bongino: No, that's a great point. It's a sad point, but a great one. 

And Mr. Mayor, nobody understands organized crime, you know, better than you. It's just interesting on a side note. I was watching, I don't know, a History Channel or whatever special on the organized crime in New York City and you were probably 40 percent of the episode. How you came in there and really pioneered the use of RICO to dismantle these crime families which had run New York for a decade. So that was great. You did a great job back then. 

But today I was covering on my show... by the time this airs, it was a few days ago... how it seems like they knew about Biden's problems here--that is, his associations were gonna be troublesome, potentially criminal, and they covered it up. 

I showed a Time article and a Washington Post article from back in 2014, when they were actually interested in this case before they knew Biden was gonna run for President. But one of the things I found interesting is an old Wall Street Journal article. Burisma, the company Hunter Biden was working for, headed by this corrupt-o-crat Zlochevsky, they had some interesting partnerships, Mr. Mayor. 

They partnered up with the Atlantic Council--really polluted with Deep State swamp rats who were Clinton donors everything else--and they also partnered with the Trans Atlantic Election Commission on election integrity, which is a fascinating partnership with a company like Burisma with all these corruption allegations. And who gets appointed to this election integrity Trans Atlantic Commission after he leaves office to investigate foreign interference in elections? Joe Biden. 

Which isn't saying... which says to me... they already knew this was going to come out and they were going to use election interference and Russian disinformation as a canard to keep people like you and others from looking into it. 

Giuliani: Well, Joe Biden made his confession of a bribe in front of the Atlantic Council in January of 2018. That's when he stood up with that famous: you know I told Poroshenko if he didn't fire the guy he's gonna be gone... the money's gonna be gone in 7 hours, and then Poroshenko said you're not the president, and he said, Eh... call him on the phone, 

Bongino: Call him on the phone. And son of a ...

Giuliani: Excuse the language, [beep]. Joe Biden doesn't have the you know whats to act like that. Joe Biden is a weak little man. That never took place, that meeting. He incriminated himself with it in front of the Atlantic Council. The thing that amazes me is he admitted a straight out bribe. 

He admitted: "I withheld a billion dollars unless you took official action that I require."

That's the definition of bribery. That's what they wanted to impeach President Trump for. Impeach President Trump, but let Biden become President because he actually did it. And the Atlantic Council sat there. And they yawned when he said it. But when it [the impeachment] happened with President Trump, we ended up with a worldwide commotion until it was proved that it was not true. 

I mean, from the very beginning, it was clear to me that this was a bribery case. He admitted it. All you need is that tape. The tape admits every part of it. 

Now we've got 20 pieces of evidence that prove it. We've got video tapes, we have documents, we have text messages, we have emails, and we have direct witnesses--about 10. 

This is a racketeering case. It should be prosecuted as a Biden crime family racketeering case. Racketeering just doesn't apply to organized crime. I prosecuted Milken that way, I prosecuted Boesky that way.I prosecuted Wall Street that way. And I prosecuted corrupt congressmen, commissioners, Republican and Democrats, that way. It's intended for long term crime associations and this is a very long term crime association. Don't take my word for it. Take his word for it. 30 years. 

And the money goes to the big guy. The big guy is the public office holder. That is defined as bribery unless we really have become so corrupt that Democrats can do anything. 

They can be engaged in multi-million dollar sales of the United States. The damage this does to our reputation, when our public officials act this way in a place like Ukraine, where we're trying to convince them to be more honest, they laugh at us. China laughs at us.

We say China is corrupt. And they say, "Well, you've got Biden." 

Bongino: Right, right. You're right. They probably are laughing...

Giuliani: "Hey, Biden's expensive, but we can buy him."

Bongino: We've had our own diplomats, Mr. Mayor. I mean George Kent and others. Even even Amos Hochstein had warned, "Hey, listen. This could be a serious problem." 

It's not like they didn't know. And they just didn't care enough to do anything about it. 

Giuliani: Well, they raised it is a conflict of interest. Whatever else they are, they're intelligent men. If you didn't know this was a bribe, you shouldn't be working for the government.

Bongino (laughs): That's true.

Giuliani: I mean, if I had an assistant US attorney who looked at this and couldn't figure it out it was a bribe, I'd tell him to go write wills. 

Bongino (laughing): Right, right, right. Well, Mr. Mayor, you've been incredibly generous with your time. You have done yeoman's work in exposing the second biggest scandal of all time--after exposing the first biggest scandal of all time: Spygate. Thank you so much for joining us on this show. We really appreciate it.

Giuliani: And I have to say, Dan, of all the people who have stayed with this from day one, you're probably one of the strongest, one of the best, one of the most articulate, and the one that really connects with people. So, I and the President--and you know the President appreciates it. He doesn't appreciate it as a special favor. He appreciates your honesty and integrity. 

Bongino: Thank you.

Giuliani: Because whatever they want to say about Donald Trump, I've known him for 30 years. He's an honest man. He would never do this. I gotta tell you, he's one hell of a father. 

He doesn't know all these facts, yet. When I tell them all these facts--he knows some of them. I almost didn't tell him because I thought: when he debated, I mean, he might rip his [Biden's] head off. 

There's nothing that bothers me more than a parent that doesn't take care of their child, and that ruins their child because they're so darn narcissistic... It's their career and they want to be multi-millionaires.

This guy, Hunter Biden, didn't have to be in this. And if Joe Biden wanted to get his millions and millions and millions, there are plenty of bad men around Washington who would have gladly done if for him, unfortunately. 

Bongino: Yeah. That's a great point. A sad point, but a good one. 

Former Mayor Rudy Giuliani, a great man, I used to work for you. You cleaned up my hometown, New York City. I wish you'd go back and clean it up again. Gosh, we could use you back there. Thank you very much, sir. We appreciate your time. We'll talk to you again soon.

Giuliani: And God bless you and I'm praying for you. You know that. 

Bongino: Thank you, sir. You've been through it, so, you know it's tough news to get. [Bongino has a tumor.]

Giuliani: You're a strong man. You're a strong man, my friend. 

Bongino: Alright, Mr. Mayor, talk to you soon. Take care.

Michael

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The Bribe Tapes

After this post, I think I will be caught up on Biden scandal stuff spread out all over OL. 

This concerns actual telephone recordings of Biden, Kerry and others essentially conspiring to commit bribery on a huge scale.

Also, tomorrow night, Tucker Carlson will present audio tapes of Biden and, I presume, others discussing them committing or conspiring to commit crimes. As soon at that video is available, I will put it up.

On 10/25/2020 at 4:56 AM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

This is Joe Biden's voice allegedly on a phone call.

Someone on that thread made a download here just in case the tweet goes down. I'm not sure if that service keeps it if the tweet is down, though. I'm digging to find another copy.

EDIT: I just downloaded the video. I'll find a place to put it up if this goes down.

However, I have not confirmed if this is true.

If it is, Biden's not going to like the legal part, much less the election part.

Michael

 

On 10/25/2020 at 5:15 AM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

It looks real.

Laura Ingraham just posted a longer version on her site along with an article about this.

I don't think she would have done that without some kind of vetting. So, while not 100% proof the call recording was real, it's a lot more than a tweet.

Biden Tapes: Did Joe Biden Threaten Ukrainian President Poroshenko?

:)

Michael

 

On 10/25/2020 at 5:35 AM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Apparently, this video is from a three-part OAN investigation from June or so.

Here are the parts.

2020.06.20 - OAN INVESTIGATES BIDEN'S BRIBE TAPES PART 1

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Then this:

2020.07.18 - OAN-INVESTIGATES BIDEN'S BRIBE TAPES PART 2

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Then this:

2020.08.16 - OAN INVESTIGATES BIDEN'S BRIBE TAPES PART 3

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Granted, the name of that BitChute account is like swallowing a cactus whole, but I believe this won't get taken down before the election.

Frankly, I haven't watched it all yet. I just wanted to get the source of the call. And I still don't know about OAN's source.

Once I watch it all, I will comment if something jumps out at me.

Michael

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Now for some fun on corroborating these phone calls with the voices of Joe Biden and others.

Let's start with The New York Post back in May, of all things.

 

And here's a motherload.

Watch the stuff that is in Ukrainian and subtitled if you wish. (I find it extremely interesting, but it's not essential for the point of hearing the voices.) Scroll around and you will come to the parts with the voices of John Kerry and Joe Biden discussing their criminal sleaze with then President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko.

Full NABU Leak on Biden

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btw - NABU means National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine.

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8 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

[From the Giuliani interview.  Giuliani speaking.]

This is a racketeering case. It should be prosecuted as a Biden crime family racketeering case. Racketeering just doesn't apply to organized crime.

The misplaced word makes a difference to the meaning.  Should be either "Racketeering doesn’t just apply to organized crime" or "Racketeering doesn't apply just to organized crime."

 

8 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

[From the interview]
 

Bongino: We've had our own diplomats, Mr. Mayor. I mean George Kent and others. Even even Amos Hochstein had warned, "Hey, listen. This could be a serious problem." 

It's not like they didn't know. And they just didn't care enough to do anything about it. 

Giuliani: Well, they raised it is a conflict of interest. Whatever else they are, they're intelligent men. If you didn't know this was a bribe, you shouldn't be working for the government.

Bongino (laughs): That's true.

Giuliani: I mean, if I had an assistant US attorney who looked at this and couldn't figure it out it was a bribe, I'd tell him to go write wills. 

It's so damned plain that Biden ought to be in prison, not running for US President.

Thanks much for the transcript, Michael.

Ellen

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4 minutes ago, Ellen Stuttle said:

Thanks much for the transcript, Michael.

Ellen,

I had you in mind when I did that (and a few others who like to copy/paste quotes).

btw - I fixed that word "bride" and made it "bribe" like it is supposed to be.

I used an excellent artificial intelligence transcript maker from IBM that is free: IBM Watson Speech to Text.

I made a critical mistake, though, and that caused me a headache on cleaning up transcript, then cleaning up that clean up.

One of the options the Watson tool provides is "Detect multiple speakers." I did not check that box. Normally, if I had, Bongino would have automatically been listed as Speaker 1 and Giuliani as Speaker 2. But that was not too important.

The real problem is that the Watson tool is run by artificial intelligence. So it "learns" accents and expressions as it goes along and compares them to what it already has on record. If different speakers are indicated, it keeps them separate processing-wise. As I did not check that box, the machine thought it was processing a recording made by the same person. The opening Bongino part was almost perfect. Then Rudy spoke and the thing started going off and making mistakes.

As the transcription progressed, the mistakes got more and worse. Imagine it trying to reconcile Bongino and Giulinai's accents as if they were the same person. :) 

As this took works in real time only, I didn't want to the transcript all over. I was so pissed at my mistake, I forced myself to correct it as it was.

Another big mistake on my part. The Watson transcript would have only taken half an hour to redo, then, maybe a couple of hours on cleanup and revision. Instead, correcting this thing took quite a few hours over two days. And I got pisseder and pisseder as I went along. But I finished the damn thing.

I have come to peace with myself that I sometimes suffer from bouts of dumbass. :) 

At any rate, there might be some other mistakes like bride instead of bribe and that will be why. It really needed one more pass. But I don't think there will be many.

Michael

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8 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

At any rate, there might be some other mistakes like bride instead of bribe and that will be why. It really needed one more pass. But I don't think there will be many.

I'm not sure if you noticed about the misplaced "just."  That hasn't been fixed yet.

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1 hour ago, Ellen Stuttle said:

The misplaced word makes a difference to the meaning.  Should be either "Racketeering doesn’t just apply to organized crime" or "Racketeering doesn't apply just to organized crime."

Ellen,

That's Rudy-speak and it was live. I think most people hearing it would get the right meaning. If this were ever to go to publication as a written text instead of a transcript, I agree this should be changed.

Rudy also talks about Obamer instead of Obama and so on. :)

You should see what I had to go through to find the right foreign names he kept butchering without mercy: Ukraine names, Chinese names, Russian names. They all went through the Brooklin accent meat grinder and came out hamburger. Then I had to put the cow back together from the hamburger to figure out what he was saying.

:)

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Ouch.

Like really.

Ouch.

EXCLUSIVE: Hunter Biden Audio Confesses Partnership With China ‘Spy Chief’… Joe Biden Named As Criminal Case Witness

The transcript of the video in the article:

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I get calls from my father to tell me that The New York Times is calling but my old partner Eric, who literally has done me harm for I don’t know how long, is the one taking the calls because my father will not stop sending the calls to Eric. I have another New York Times reporter calling about my representation of Patrick Ho – the fucking spy chief of China who started the company that my partner, who is worth $323 billion, founded and is now missing. The richest man in the world is missing who was my partner. He was missing since I last saw him in his $58 million apartment inside a $4 billion deal to build the fucking largest fucking LNG port in the world. And I am receiving calls from the Southern District of New York from the U.S. Attorney himself. My best friend in business Devon has named me as a witness without telling me in a criminal case and my father without telling me.

Hunter sounds terrified.

I wonder if Rudy is going to flip him.

He sure sounds ready.

Michael

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1 hour ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Ouch.

Like really.

Ouch.

EXCLUSIVE: Hunter Biden Audio Confesses Partnership With China ‘Spy Chief’… Joe Biden Named As Criminal Case Witness

The transcript of the video in the article:

Hunter sounds terrified.

I wonder if Rudy is going to flip him.

He sure sounds ready.

Michael

Not real. Russian voice-actors. The leftist media told me so.
And the laptop? BS. Sharon Presley told me so. And that Biden's mentally fit,  but Trump is psychologically unfit. 'Cause Orange Man bad. Because libertarians can get TSD, too... 😉

Some people are just going to reject all proof, no matter how air-tight...must be some heavy-duty core stories, there, so, like turtles, it's "Russians, all the way down..."


https://www.facebook.com/sharonpresley.writer/posts/4066894219994367
 

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11 minutes ago, ThatGuy said:

Sharon Presley told me so.

TG,

LOL...

:) 

Sharon's cool. But when she hates, she hates.

:)

I like her, and Jim Peron for that matter. They are friends and they both hate Trump with an impenetrable passion. So during this phase, I look from afar and stay a long way away from them. 

I would not, in my wildest dreams, try to sell them in person on President Trump's virtues. I own my own beliefs and values and they own theirs, as it should be.

But they're good people. Really good people. I've met Jim personally--what a nice guy. I haven't met Sharon. I do admire what I have read of her work in psychology. She worked with Stanley Milgram of the famous Milgram experiment about blind obedience to authority.

If you want to promote Trump, I don't suggest you do it where she hangs out. Or him, for that matter. From what I can tell, their online friends hate Trump as much as they do. And they all tend to be scorched earth is expressing it.

:) 

Michael

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19 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

TG,

LOL...

:) 

Sharon's cool. But when she hates, she hates.

:)

I like her, and Jim Peron for that matter. They are friends and they both hate Trump with an impenetrable passion. So during this phase, I look from afar and stay a long way away from them. 

I would not, in my wildest dreams, try to sell them in person on President Trump's virtues. I own my own beliefs and values and they own theirs, as it should be.

But they're good people. Really good people. I've met Jim personally--what a nice guy. I haven't met Sharon. I do admire what I have read of her work in psychology. She worked with Stanley Milgram of the famous Milgram experiment about blind obedience to authority.

If you want to promote Trump, I don't suggest you do it where she hangs out. Or him, for that matter. From what I can tell, their online friends hate Trump as much as they do. And they all tend to be scorched earth is expressing it.

:) 

Michael

It just boggle my mind how people (not just Sharon Presley, though it's ironic, in this case) will reject reasonable evidence out of blind obedience to the authority of their core stories. Reminds me of a Dave Chappelle skit dealing with the R. Kelly tapes (that one also involving disgusting acts with a minor; sensing a pattern, there...), and how people will refuse not only reasonable secondary evidence, but even the evidence of their senses, out of devotion to a character or a cause, and yet will accept without question any accusations against those they don't like, no matter how baseless.

This really is how some people sound in trying to deny the evidence against Biden.

 

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I was just listening to Steve Bannon's War Room podcast and I heard something I need to look deeper into.

(But, man, I am a bit worn out with the sheer quantity of stuff to go through in order to curate the best stuff for this thread.

I heard them discussing another "investment" deal Hunter Biden was involved in and a party to that deal is Mark Zuckerberg.

I don't know what this is, yet, but I trust Bannon would not put it out against a big gun like that if he didn't have the goods.

Let's see what emerges. I want to stop everything and dig, but I need to get to my other obligations.

Michael

 

EDIT: At least I can give this. Where I heard that was in this episode near the beginning: Ep 460- Pandemic: Spy Chief (w/ Jack Posobiec and Joe Hoft)

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1 hour ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

I heard them discussing another "investment" deal Hunter Biden was involved in and a party to that deal is Mark Zuckerberg.

I don't know what this is, yet, but I trust Bannon would not put it out against a big gun like that if he didn't have the goods.

Here it is.

This doesn't look like much.

It does show they were in contact back in 2014.

So there is some rustling in them there bushes. Let the hounds loose and see what they flush out.

Michael

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3 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

I like [Sharon], and Jim Peron for that matter. They are friends and they both hate Trump with an impenetrable passion.

Maybe part of the hatred is jealousy.  Trump is doing things libertarians have talked about but not gotten near to accomplishing.  And Trump has popular enthusiasm libertarians can only dream of arousing.

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