Coronavirus

[Ellen Stuttle]

On 11/1/2022 at 6:30 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Ellen,

I wasn't correcting you, so no need to sigh.

Michael,

My sighing is because I don’t know if I can help to give you a "picture" of what's going on with Covid viruses, spike proteins, mRNA Jabs.

Maybe if I start here.

You wrote (last paragraph of your post):

"Oh, hell. I can't resist. In my mind's eye, I see two kinds of doggies running wild, the "packages of messenger RNA" through the lymph system, and the spike proteins they produce once they come into being and before they attach to COVID viruses."

Looks like you don’t understand that Covid viruses come equipped with spike proteins as part of their structure (similarly to the normal human body coming equipped with hands as part of its structure).

Spike proteins are what give the Corona virus its name - "corona," crown.

Here's an NIH report with a transmission electron microscope image.

Novel coronavirus structure reveals targets for vaccines and

WWW.NIH.GOV

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Researchers produced a detailed picture of the part of SARS-CoV-2—the novel coronavirus that causes COVID-19—that allows it to infect human cells.

The fuzzy aura around the viruses is comprised of the spikes.

As the article says, the spike proteins are what allow the virus to enter a host cell:

"Like other coronaviruses, SARS-CoV-2 particles are spherical and have proteins called spikes protruding from their surface. These spikes latch onto human cells, then undergo a structural change that allows the viral membrane to fuse with the cell membrane. The viral genes can then enter the host cell to be copied, producing more viruses."

The spike proteins are also what triggers the immune system of the host to start producing counteractive antibodies.

The idea with the mRNA stuff was to inject into human cells part of the instruction code from the Covid virus, the part which directs production of the spike proteins.  The immune system was then supposed to go on alert against the foreign protein and produce antibodies, therefore making the person pre-geared (battle equipment already at the ready) if the person was infected by Covid.

But things didn’t proceed like they were supposed to.  Instead of staying at the locus of the injection, the manufactured spike proteins went roaming here, there, and elsewhere in the body, fastening onto the body's cells (as in the vascular endothelium) and generally getting the immune system of the recipient messed up so that it started identifying one's own cells as foreign bodies to be attacked (as I said before, in effect producing an auto-immune disorder).

So….

I hope that helps with clarifying.

Ellen

[ThatGuy]

Forty Percent. That's not nothing.

"Massive Pandemic Data Fraud Exposed: 40% of ‘Covid Deaths’ Were Fabricated"
 

"A massive global pandemic data reporting scandal has been exposed after a bombshell report shows that almost 40 percent of all recorded “Covid-related deaths” were fraudulent.

"Government data officials in Finland have uncovered evidence that state agencies around the world provided fabricated data while reporting the numbers of their Covid deaths during the pandemic.

"The explosive report, conducted by the Finnish Institute for Health and Welfare (THL), reveals that public health agencies around the world submitted false data to overhype 'Covid-related deaths.'

"THL is a government research and development institute operating under Finland’s Ministry of Social Affairs and Health.

"According to Sirkka Goebeler, chief specialist at the THL, the reporting fraud appears to have been committed in order to drive mass hysteria and garner support for unpopular measures, such as lockdowns and vaccine mandates."

Massive Pandemic Data Fraud Exposed: 40% of 'Covid Deaths' Were Fabricated

SLAYNEWS.COM

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A massive global pandemic data reporting scandal has been exposed after a bombshell report shows that almost 40 percent of all recorded...

 

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

10 hours ago, Ellen Stuttle said:

The fuzzy aura around the viruses is comprised of the spikes.

. . .

The idea with the mRNA stuff was to inject into human cells part of the instruction code from the Covid virus, the part which directs production of the spike proteins.  The immune system was then supposed to go on alert against the foreign protein and produce antibodies...

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Instead of staying at the locus of the injection, the manufactured spike proteins went roaming here, there, and elsewhere in the body, fastening onto the body's cells (as in the vascular endothelium) and generally getting the immune system of the recipient messed up so that it started identifying one's own cells as foreign bodies to be attacked (as I said before, in effect producing an auto-immune disorder).

Ellen,

That helped a lot.

Now I am able to see in my mind's eye the spikes in the virus.

I already understood that the immune system attacks the body's own cells with this process from seeing this mentioned a lot.

But I'm still unclear on part of the visual I am constructing in my mind's eye. I'm trying to imagine a kind of process in visual terms. Here's what Step 1 looks like. Here's what Step 2 looks like. Here's what Step 3 looks like. And so on.

 

So Step 1 is identify the spike proteins on the virus wall and understand their nature. You took care of that just now.

 

Step 2 is inject molecular packages of mRNA into the bloodstream. Of course it's easy to imagine the hypodermic needles, the liquid they inject, and so on--the jab, but I don't have a visual for the actual molecular packages of mRNA.

I have a general mental image of what molecules look like, but I'm not so sure about what they look like in a package. Anyway, I know these packages are to be absorbed into human body cells.

Also, those cells that absorb the packages of molecules end up being the cells around capillary networks all over the body. And how the mRNA packages get to the capillary networks is through the lymphatic system.

Did I get that right? 

 

For Step 3, here's what I understand. The absorbed packages of mRNA molecules transform the human body cells so they manufacture "roaming" spike proteins that, once manufactured and released, begin to go all over the place (presumably through the blood stream and lymphatic system) and attach to other cells throughout the body. These other cells then get identified by the immune system as viruses and the immune system attacks them and kills them as if they were viruses.

If I got that right, I have two visuals in mind, one from the video I transcribed.

The first visual is one I don't have in my mind's eye yet. What do the roaming separate spike proteins look like? As part of a virus, they are the fuzzy parts of the lining. But separate and roaming free? They are hard to imagine visually.

The second (from the video I transcribed) is that, in addition to the roaming spike protein cells that are manufactured, the process of manufacturing them creates spikes or barbs in blood vessel walls, and these spikes or barbs are what cause blood clots since the blood can't flow smoothly. (Talk about one hell of a visual.  )

 

For Step 4, this is the immune system attacking human body cells with those roaming spike proteins now attached them them, cells which the immune system now identifies as viruses.

I more or less have a visual for this from seeing countless images over the years of the immune system attacking foreign bodies, going all the way back to the science fiction version in the movie Fantastic Voyage.

As to the altered human body cells, I imagine adding a fuzzy aura to them similar to what is shown for the COVID viruses will produce a more-or-less correct visual.

 

I had not thought about the following before, but as I wrote this post, I began to imagine a simplified infographic or other visual presentation of this step-by-step process would be of enormous benefit for getting normal people to have something they can connect all the jargon to. 

It would certainly help neutralize the propaganda.

 

I just noticed that I didn't mention a doggy once.

 

Michael

[Ellen Stuttle]

7 hours ago, ThatGuy said:

Forty Percent. That's not nothing.

TG, I don’t have time for reading the article now.  Quick question.  What does the study mean by "fraudulent" reporting - classifying as caused by Covid deaths that were actually from some other cause, or fabricating deaths entirely (or maybe a combination)?

Ellen

[Ellen Stuttle]

6 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Step 2 is inject molecular packages of mRNA into the bloodstream. Of course it's easy to imagine the hypodermic needles, the liquid they inject, and so on--the jab, but I don't have a visual for the actual molecular packages of mRNA.

I have a general mental image of what molecules look like, but I'm not so sure about what they look like in a package. Anyway, I know these packages are to be absorbed into human body cells.

Also, those cells that absorb the packages of molecules end up being the cells around capillary networks all over the body. And how the mRNA packages get to the capillary networks is through the lymphatic system.

Did I get that right? 

Michael,

The mRNA Jabs, like vaccines, are injected into muscle not into the bloodstream.

I don’t know what sort of general mental image you have of what molecules look like.  Could you provide a link to a picture?  Do you have an idea of what a cell looks like?  A cell is a lot of (organized) molecules inside a membrane (itself composed of molecules).

Please take a look at the images of 4 levels of protein organization at this link and tell me what they do to your mind's eye - drive it nuts? make sense? some of each?

https://comis.med.uvm.edu/VIC/coursefiles/MD540/MD540-Protein_Organization_10400_574581210/Protein-org/Protein_Organization_print.html

Ellen

 

[ThatGuy]

40 minutes ago, Ellen Stuttle said:

TG, I don’t have time for reading the article now.  Quick question.  What does the study mean by "fraudulent" reporting - classifying as caused by Covid deaths that were actually from some other cause, or fabricating deaths entirely (or maybe a combination)?

Ellen

According to the article, it sounds like a combination:

"Goebeler warns that COVID-19 has not been the actual cause of death in up to 40 percent of fatalities attributed to the illness."

"The unit focuses on coronavirus-related death certificates where the attending physician has listed Covid as either the primary or a contributing cause of death.”

“'The THL tally of Covid-related deaths stood at 6,407 on Tuesday – but that figure includes all deaths that have occurred within 30 days of a positive coronavirus test,' the report continued."
and

 

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“According to Goebeler, in nearly 4,000 of these cases, Covid is listed as the primary or immediate cause of death.

“In almost 1,600 cases, coronavirus is listed as a contributing factor.”

“In approximately 900 cases initially recorded as Covid-related deaths, the actual death certificates do not contain any indication of coronavirus infection at all,” the report added.

The Finnish report further substantiates the complaints of statistical analysts and public health experts that there was a failure to differentiate between deaths from Covid and deaths with Covid during the pandemic. There is evidence that in the United States the conflation was deliberate in order to drive and perpetuate a state of public alarm.

The most obvious red flags were that approximately 95% of Covid mortalities had multiple serious comorbidities and the average age of death was around life expectancy.

 

 

[ThatGuy]

On 5/5/2021 at 2:43 PM, Ellen Stuttle said:

Here is something very interesting regarding Bill Gates' landholdings:

 

Bill Gates’ divorce could end secret life as biggest US farmland owner

From the article:

The article includes a map of Gates' landholdings.

It also includes the text of the

Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation. 
Statement on Creation of Nonprofit. 
Agricultural Research Institute   
(dated January 21, 2020)

A footer line at the bottom of the statement says:

"Gates Ag One aims to provide smallholder farmers in developing countries with access to the affordable tools and innovations they need. Gates Foundation"
 

Any connection, hmmm, to the ChiComs' desire to acquire the U.S. as farmland?

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Another part of the Gates' landholdings:

"As well as farmland, the former couple is understood to have bought a “significant stake” in 2017 in 24,800 acres of transitional land on the western edge of Phoenix that has been earmarked for a “brand-new metropolis” with up to 80,000 homes, the report noted."
 

Ellen

 

Yaron Brook weighs in on Bill Gates farmland by saying...uh, what is he saying? Sounds like a word salad, to me...

This comment left at his YouTube video sums it up as well as any:

"Video topic: Bill Gates buying up all available land.
Yaron: Ooooh look over here kids, weason and wastionality, you like weason don't you? Good boy. Don't you mind losing your fweedoms its all a part of the plan"

 

[william.scherk]

"Massive Pandemic Data Fraud Exposed: 40% of ‘Covid Deaths’ Were Fabricated" ?

2 hours ago, Ellen Stuttle said:

10 hours ago, ThatGuy said:

Forty Percent. That's not nothing.

TG, I don’t have time for reading the article now.  

The item posted above did not offer a link to the Finnish media story. Here's the item from Finnish media that I presume was the source, as its quotations line up ...

Finland's Covid death toll could be exaggerated by 40%, THL says | News | Yle Uutiset

YLE.FI

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Very few patients under 60 have died solely from the virus since last spring, a top specialist at the health agency says.

 

Last week's article is not revelatory, but perhaps worth reading for context ... from the first paragraphs

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Covid-19 has not been the actual cause of death in up to 40 percent of fatalities attributed to the illness in Finland, according to Sirkka Goebeler, a chief specialist at the Finnish Institute for Health and Welfare (THL). As a result, they do not end up in Statistics Finland's official data as coronavirus deaths.

Goebeler's unit examines all Finnish death certificates before they are forwarded to the state statistics bureau. The unit focuses on coronavirus-related death certificates where the attending physician has listed Covid as either the primary or a contributing cause of death.

The THL tally of Covid-related deaths stood at 6,407 on Tuesday – but that figure includes all deaths that have occurred within 30 days of a positive coronavirus test.

[...]

 

Edited November 5, 2022 by william.scherk
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[Ellen Stuttle]

On 11/4/2022 at 6:08 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Step 2 is inject molecular packages of mRNA into the bloodstream. Of course it's easy to imagine the hypodermic needles, the liquid they inject, and so on--the jab, but I don't have a visual for the actual molecular packages of mRNA.

Michael,

On 11/5/2022 at 12:34 AM, Ellen Stuttle said:

The mRNA Jabs, like vaccines, are injected into muscle not into the bloodstream.

I’m not sure if you saw my reply to you from Saturday am (linked to above).  Maybe you haven’t had time to respond or you lack interest in the subject, especially with midterms looming.  Fine, if so.

However, while I’m about it, I want to correct another misunderstanding.

You refer to the mRNA packets as "little manufacturing plants."  The mRNA doesn’t manufacture anything.  The ribosomes of the host's cells do the manufacturing.  What the mRNA provides is instructions to the ribosomes on how to make the Covid virus's spike proteins.  Thus the packets could be thought of as "little instruction manuals."

The instruction manuals wouldn’t accomplish anything in the bloodstream, where there aren’t ribosomes to be instructed.  So the trick was to get the mRNA into the cells.  The molecules are too big and awkwardly shaped to pass through little interstices of the cell membrane.  

That's where Robert Malone's (unfortunately) ingenious idea came in.  His idea was to encase the mRNA (or medicine that couldn’t slip through the membrane) in lipid packets, thus both compressing the shape and providing a smooth surface that would slip through into the cell.  (The idea is similar to putting granular medicinal substances into a softgel capsule for ease of swallowing.)

The idea was feasible (unfortunately in this case), although there was considerable development between Malone’s demonstrating that the technique could work and the current mRNA Jabs.

Ellen

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

2 hours ago, Ellen Stuttle said:

I’m not sure if you saw my reply to you from Saturday am (linked to above).  Maybe you haven’t had time to respond or you lack interest in the subject, especially with midterms looming.  Fine, if so.

However, while I’m about it, I want to correct another misunderstanding.

You refer to the mRNA packets as "little manufacturing plants."

Ellen,

I saw the reply and have been thinking about this a lot. Especially along the lines of curse of knowledge, theory of mind, the two kinds of neurons in the brain (those for abstraction and those for muscle control, which, weirdly enough are the ones from which story come, at least that is what I learned from a guy named Angus Fletcher), and a whole host of things like that.

Probably the best way of putting it is to ask: Why do I want to have these mental images? And: How deep do I want to go in granularity for the things I want to do with them? It's obvious to me that what you want to do with them is different than what I do, but there is a crossover, and that crossover is where I am trying to communicate.

So I do not have a lack of interest. I am just trying to sift through a bunch of things in my mind so that I can communicate them correctly to you. (And, it is true, I am swamped for time, but my brain is still on it when I'm doing other things.  )

 

I would especially like to avoid having to write about things like your last comment in my quote above. I do not refer to mRNA packets as "little manufacturing plants." I refer to mRNA packets that have been absorbed and interacting with the body at specific points like in cells around capillaries as "little manufacturing plants."

Another thing. I have never said the jabs are injected into the bloodstream instead of muscles. I myself made a "curse of knowledge" assumption that injection into muscles was understood because I talked about the lymphatic system as the form of conveyance.

 

I'm not blaming you for these incorrect assumptions about what I think. I'm blaming them on my own ability as a writer. If I cannot effectively get across to you what is in my head, I am going to spend all this writing time saying things like, "I never said that," or "No, that's not what I think," or, "I didn't mean that," and things like that rather than getting to the heart of the matter that is in our mutual interest. 

So before we can even talk about details like what a molecule looks like or whatever the hell a ribosome is (I actually know what it is, it's something else for me to look up  ) and be on the same wave length, I have to find the words and images to get across what is in my mind in a manner that is of some value to you, at least enough value for us to not talk past each other.

 

Have you ever seen the TV show "How It’s Made"? It shows how products are made each step of the way from raw materials to manufacture (usually in factories) and, at times, distribution. But none of this is shown with focus on technical details. It shows what each step looks like and gives some causality of how one step leads to the other.

That is more or less my own frame for trying to understand why mRNA injections are way different than normal vaccines, and why their effects are way different. I'm trying to put together a way to compare them that will have some meaning for laypeople (like me).

If I can't get that done, I'm not going to be able to talk intelligently to people like Peter, who looks at all the jargon and all the yelling amongst people who do talk in that jargon, then realizes he's going to have to do a university course just to be able to understand what they are talking about, then thinks to hell with that, he's got other things to do, but we have to do something about that problem now, then says trust your doctor.

btw - I don't want to single Peter out as trying to defend or attack him. This is not about him. It's just that his reactions are not unique to him. Many people think like he does (and most of them vote). I just mentioned him because he's a great conceptual referent to you for what I am talking about. You certainly have had plenty of interactions with him.

 

But image-wise, let me give you an example of where you provided a good image for me, and maybe give a clue about what I personally am seeking. 

I can fit the following image in my mind to the conveyer of process system (the "How It’s Made" kind of causal-chain narrative) as something that makes sense. I look at that and think: These are little viruses and the fuzzy stuff around them can become fuzzy stuff around other cells. Now I have a hook for this image in my mind and know where to put it so that it makes sense to me.

 

Here is the image that is generally given to the public by both experts and propagandists alike.

or this:

I don't know what the hell to do with this except to say, "Man, that sucker can be in my body? That looks scary as shit." Is there any doubt that that is the primary reason they portray it that way to the public?

I certainly can't fit it to a process like I can the one you provided. I can try to imagine cutting or scrapping that crap off the little round balls, but I (as layman) know that's not the way things work on a tiny level. So what do you do with it?

(Answer: Trust Big Brother. He will take care of it all.  )

 

One final comment for this post. I was going to include it in my more elaborated answer to you, but here is as good a place as any.

Remember the thread on Gore's movie? If you go back to that thread, you will see that the people who tried to talk about manmade climate change (both sides) tried to do so in jargon and data dumps.

(William later brought some people over to OL to teach us dummies and backward people about all this, but all they did was jargon and data dumps, too, along with some icky smugness. That seems to be a thing for those who like to talk about that topic.  )

 

But back then you mentioned State of Fear by Michal Crichton as a way for a layman to make sense of all the yelling. I read the book and it did make sense.

Note, that book did not convince me one way or another. But it put the issues in a frame I could understand and then I was able to do my own thinking about it. I did that, too.

As I looked at what the experts kept talking about and yelling at each other over, and as a rational person, I came down on the right side of the issue--it was a scam and there were bad guys who were after money and power who were intimidating scientists to go along with the scam through funding approvals and peer pressure. 

Then I knew where to put the jargon and the data dumps no matter where they came from. I don't have to be an expert, or play gotchas over the difference between climate and weather and that kind of crap, to get an overall view of the different ideas and to know who is a liar and who is acting in good faith.

I could go into this a lot deeper, but for my point here, it's enough to say that I am like millions of people and I vote. Not one of the jargon vomits or data dumps made a dent in that reality or told me how to vote except for the attempted intimidation.

Since I am resistant to intimidation and peer pressure, I am also able to see those who are not. I don't need a course in the earth's temperature over millions of years to realize all that was a smokescreen to cover up intimidation. 

Oddly enough, the lady who helped script An Inconvenient Truth, Nancy Duarte, did more to promote the manmade climate change scam than all of the jargon vomiters and data dumpers combined. She made an easy frame for Gore to present his ideas and she used lots of visuals. And the world is still suffering from it. But she did not go after the technical details as her main issue. Instead, she solidified in viewers minds (those who were vulnerable to her message) that mankind was divided into two: the Superior Us Who Knew Things and wanted to protect the planet and the Inferior Rest Of Mankind who will get us all killed unless they get in line.

That same kind of thing has been happening in the pandemic bullshit.

 

Anyway, enough of that for now. Sorry for the length of this post. As Mark Twain liked to say, I didn't have time to make it shorter.

But I am nowhere near done and I suspect you are not either. 

 

Michael

[Ellen Stuttle]

Michael, you wrote:

"I would especially like to avoid having to write about things like your last comment in my quote above. I do not refer to mRNA packets as "little manufacturing plants." I refer to mRNA packets that have been absorbed and interacting with the body at specific points like in cells around capillaries as "little manufacturing plants."

"Another thing. I have never said the jabs are injected into the bloodstream instead of muscles. I myself made a "curse of knowledge" assumption that injection into muscles was understood because I talked about the lymphatic system as the form of conveyance."

I'm not being able to get quoting to work from one page to the next page, so I'll just refer you to your post Nov 1 at 6:30 for what I'm referring to with the first (your description is awfully fuzzy, granted) and your post of Nov 4 at 6:08 pm for the second.  (See the first sentence of your "Step 2.")

Your mind's eye picture is thoroughly a mess.  I was trying to help, but I think you like the mess, so I shall leave it be.

Ellen

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

1 hour ago, Ellen Stuttle said:

I was trying to help, but I think you like the mess...

Ellen,

Why do you say stuff like that?

I do not like the mess, which is why I am discussing it.

I reject being treated like a disciple sitting at the feet of a master, but neither am I a simpleton who is happy in his ignorance.

You're doing an awful lot of reading my mind these days. I don't know where that is coming from.

btw - From your reaction, I don't think you have a clue about what I am talking about, do you? It doesn't seem to register on your radar.

Bottom line. I want to fix the problem of keeping the world from going off a cliff. I used to think you did, too.

Michael

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

On 11/4/2022 at 11:34 PM, Ellen Stuttle said:

Please take a look at the images of 4 levels of protein organization at this link and tell me what they do to your mind's eye - drive it nuts? make sense? some of each?

https://comis.med.uvm.edu/VIC/coursefiles/MD540/MD540-Protein_Organization_10400_574581210/Protein-org/Protein_Organization_print.html

Ellen,

If I were a university student studying that stuff, they would fascinate me.

In terms of trying to put together an overall understanding of what goes on with the mRNA jab so I can use it for my own values, they bore me.

If I can figure out how to use them for something of value to me, they won't bore me anymore. But I'm not holding my breath for any hints.

 

I am pretty sure my reaction is an honest one for millions and millions and millions of people, too.

So, if presenting those pictures is your idea of how to get an idea across, good luck trying to speak to normal people and get any ideas across.

Note: This has nothing to do with whether the pictures accurately depict some fact or other. This has to do with whether those facts are of use to the audience or only to the presenter.

Since that kind of thinking is hard to do, best let Big Brother handle it, huh? They know how to speak to people in a form to get people on board with them.

But don't complain about losing when you walk off the field.

 

Well, at least I don't have to try to explain what I want and what I am seeing anymore. This way has become complicated on a communication level and causing hostility for some reason. So I'll get my information elsewhere and get 'er done that way.

Which means, I'm not done.

Michael

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

This is for the reader.

I am looking to make the following kind of thing, but in plain language so anyone can understand it.

I took the following three graphics off the top of a search engine query, but there are oodles. Show any one of these to a layman and he will understand it as gobbledygook.

In other words, he won't understand it.

This is pseudo-communication.

Nothing more.

 

And:

And:

 

Now, I presume the process shown in each of these graphics is more-or-less correct. But if something like that can be put in plain language with better images and with the information from this post using Dr. Hoffe's observations about the spikes or barbs on blood vessels that are causing blood clots (which are in addition to all the other trouble this jab causes), also in plain language, we will have one hell of a nice item for penetrating the minds of people resistant to believing in the dangers.

Something has to explain the explosive spike in deaths happening and slapping an acronym on as a jargon word doesn't cut it (SADS: “Sudden Adult Death Syndrome” or SADS: “Sudden Arrhythmic Death Syndrome”). That acronym explains nothing, thus persuades nothing.

 

Repeatedly ignoring Dr. Hoffe's message and calling me stupid is not a refutation of his message. That will not make me unsee what I saw that makes sense until shown otherwise in terms I can understand.

I not only won't unsee it, I want to make the image so simple and clear that anybody who looks at a graphic can see it.

Once something like that exists, I can use it when I talk to people about this and be assured their eyes won't glaze over (as they revert to what their tribe says).

That's what I'm about.

Michael

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

LOLOL...

Ted Nugent Delivers The Greatest 30 Seconds In Television History Regarding The 'Vaccine'

WWW.BITCHUTE.COM

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"So all these millions of people that got the shots, they're just stupid?" "I speak their language. I will speak to them...

          

After being called every name in the book for being a "vax denier," that is funny.

LOL...

Michael

[Marc]

 

[ThatGuy]

Wow, now even the "legitimate" press is questioning the risk of the "vaccines"...what's the matter; don't they "Trust the Science"? (Not surprisingly, this article is downplaying the severity of the damage, but just the fact that it's being acknowledged is something...)


 

Are there longterm myocarditis risks after Covid vaccination?

WWW.NBCNEWS.COM

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Both Pfizer and Moderna are launching clinical trials to track health issues — if any — in the years following a diagnosis of...

 

[william.scherk]

On 11/30/2021 at 5:53 AM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

On 11/29/2021 at 4:42 PM, Ellen Stuttle said:

I wasn't talking about apologizing to the establishment left or the Deep State.

Ellen.

Oh, that's just great. Make him apologize to the MAGA people and put him in the time warp historical isolation chamber so the establishment left or the Deep State won't notice or realize it, right?

Here's a somewhat curious Candace Owens video excerpt. She talks about Trump, vaccines and more, perhaps pertinent to Ellen and Michael's clash.

 

 

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

2 hours ago, william.scherk said:

... perhaps pertinent to Ellen and Michael's clash.

William,

Ellen and I don't have a clash.

We sometimes disagree and emotions get strong, but she's a marvelous person.

And so am I, for that matter.

 

 Michael

[Ellen Stuttle]

2 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

William,

Ellen and I don't have a clash.

We sometimes disagree and emotions get strong, but she's a marvelous person.

And so am I, for that matter.

 

 Michael

I'll second that.

I’m currently working on an attempt to unsnarl the tangles of terminology and classification from the recent series.

Stay tuned.  I might get stuff posted later today or tomorrow.  If not by then, not till Wednesday.  Left eye injection day on Tuesday.

Ellen

[ThatGuy]

Meanwhile, in China...
A tale of three tweets...
 

 

[ThatGuy]

"UPRISING: Guangzhou citizens flip police cars qnd tear down COVID barriers. Meanwhile, the West wants to bring back mask mandates"

 

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

Here's something to throw in the mix.

The mother of the con man.

Guess what field she works in?

Viruses and vaccines.

It's all interconnected.

We have to get rid of these evil people who are trying to destroy the world. They are stealing gobs of money, making useless wars, using people without knowledge or consent as guinea pigs and killing them for money, and on and on--right in our faces.

We either embrace the rule of law by self-governance or the laws will be made by tyrants (where anything goes).

There is no reason other than force to keep submitting to these people. 

Michael

[ThatGuy]

Remember Ivermectin? Remember how it was smeared as "ineffective" against COVID?
Remember the crypto scam that just got exposed?
Can you guess how they're related?

"You’re never going to guess who funded Together trial which concluded ivermectin was ineffective to treat COVID: Democrat donor Sam Bankman-Fried’s bankrupt scam of a company FTX. Oh and Sam’s brother is the director of a non-profit called "Guarding Against Pandemics".

What a time to be alive...

[Marc]