anthony Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 On 1/19/2022 at 7:00 AM, Peter said: He was an interesting guy, and an ex-serviceman if I remember correctly. I probably have forty threads he commented on. Not a determinist? Here are two examples disagreeing with that and notice his web address. He was a “Hard Determinist.” Peter Dennis May wrote: "I accept the 3 primary axioms of Objectivism as long as Volition is left out of Consciousness. As George H. Smith has observed the validity of Volition hinges on both philosophical and scientific claims. This removes it from axiom status. I would include Causality in my list of Axioms because I don't believe a corollary status under Identity does it justice. If Volition is not axiomatic, all assumptions derived from assuming volition as a valid model become suspect. This is the heart of one of the great debates which Objectivism must deal ... The first motive that determinists have, is to drive "Volition" ..."out of Consciousness". Otherwise, they haven't much. Theirs is an effort to impose materialist causality upon man's consciousness. The "mind", which unlike May it seems, many modern thinkers dispensed with first. An a-volitional, physicalist, 'brain' is malleable and completely responsive to prior and physical cause, I think they need to establish. Objectivist thought doesn't even argue with the evident effects of previous events and influences on an individual. Rather, it states the obvious (from observation and introspection), what a consciousness is singularly ¬capable¬ of doing by its nature: to be self-determining and self-directing. The mind is not a sponge soaking up everything in its vicinity. Then, it doesn't just hold information and data in its memory banks. It is conceptually and hierarchically, self-arranging and -organizing. Second, an individual's mind needs to select values for him to live. So he needs to choose those character virtues which gain him the values. The choice and implementation of those, knowledge and rational virtues, and putting them into action, cannot be 'determined' by prior experience, events, upbringing or nurture. The two, effortful knowledge and chosen character (a sign: when do you hear admiring mention of "character", in recent times?) are what sets the volitional consciousness of man apart. The turning point, in dismissal of determinism's claim of inevitable outcomes, is the individual mind at work. "What else could I do?! I am a victim of my past." With the wide acceptance of determinism, comes - collectivism, anti-individualism, the cult of victimhood, tribal identity/loyalty, group supremacy/inferiority, racialism (of both the racist and 'anti-racist' types) - assumed virtues and vices conferred via ancestral 'bloodline', inherited guilt of the past 'sins' of one's forefathers, skepticism of the mind, passive obedience, authoritarianism, dictatorships: (I think Rand called dictatorships and determinism "a mutually reinforcing corollary" or similar). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmj Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 1 hour ago, anthony said: organizing. And then, an individual's mind needs to select values for him to live. I don’t grok this even a bit . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 "In ethics, one must being by asking: What are *values*? Why does man need them?" p 15 VoS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted January 20, 2022 Author Share Posted January 20, 2022 1 hour ago, tmj said: I don’t grok this even a bit . I see a nice property that I might buy and then sell for a profit. Value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Peter Posted January 20, 2022 Author Share Posted January 20, 2022 Headline. Starbucks employee spits in . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmj Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 What I don’t grok even a bit , is how is a mind separate from ‘him’ and how the mind operates independently from ‘him’ . This construction smacks of Kantianism, a noumenal flood of perception filtered by , organized , hierarchicalized by the an agent and then ‘presented to’ or made accessible to ‘him’ for a phenomenal apprehension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmj Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Academia is thoroughly infiltrated by leftists , the Progressives of the early 20th set the stage for the large push in late 60's , the "counter Revolution" moved in and became the 'establishment' , the indoctrination into leftist ideology became the new norm for at least two generations of the ;'new adults ' in the room. "Trust no one over 30 !" crowd are now the octogenarians , their ire and retributionary juices were collected and stoked and pointed back at the preceding generation(s) and their works heralded as restorative against past crimes. What will the current 'coming up' generations think restorative justice will look like against the perpetrators of the wrongs done to them by us. This cultural rot wins both times, it produced those willing to go along lockdowns et al , which in turn has produced the very fertile ground for a whole other round of restorative justice, and quite possibly righteously so ( sow) , if this young lady's situation doesn't break your heart , you haven't been paying attention 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 This is the universal story of the present world. The Obedient Generation ⋆ Brownstone Institute BROWNSTONE.ORG As I watched the teenagers of E.T. flying past the sun, I wept for their bravery, and their fraternity, but I also wept for you, my shiny young... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 8 hours ago, ThatGuy said: The Berlin wall is coming down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatGuy Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 1 minute ago, Marc said: The Berlin wall is coming down. https://twitter.co m/dinodanneskjold/status/1484162458281562118?s=20 Covid-19 vaccines and treatments: we must have raw data, now WWW.BMJ.COM Data should be fully and immediately available for public scrutiny In the pages of The BMJ a decade ago, in the middle of a different... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatGuy Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 23 minutes ago, Marc said: The Berlin wall is coming down. WHO panel comes out against requiring vaccination proof for travel THEHILL.COM A World Health Organization (WHO) panel last week came out against any requirements that travelers show proof of their COVID-19... Lift international travel bans; proof of vaccination not needed: WHO | NewsBytes WWW.NEWSBYTESAPP.COM The World Health Organization (WHO) on Wednesday recommended lifting or relaxation of international travel bans, citing their... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 6 minutes ago, ThatGuy said: WHO panel comes out against requiring vaccination proof for travel THEHILL.COM A World Health Organization (WHO) panel last week came out against any requirements that travelers show proof of their COVID-19... Lift international travel bans; proof of vaccination not needed: WHO | NewsBytes WWW.NEWSBYTESAPP.COM The World Health Organization (WHO) on Wednesday recommended lifting or relaxation of international travel bans, citing their... Funny how Trump spoke with tremendous certainty, Starbucks reversed course, UK did too, and now WHO among others. Turn off the lights, the party is over. Biden spoke too, but I have no comment as I did not watch it as i had to watch some paint dry but pretty sure its not a coincidence 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 3 hours ago, tmj said: What I don’t grok even a bit , is how is a mind separate from ‘him’ and how the mind operates independently from ‘him’ . This construction smacks of Kantianism, a noumenal flood of perception filtered by , organized , hierarchicalized by the an agent and then ‘presented to’ or made accessible to ‘him’ for a phenomenal apprehension. You picked on one clumsily-phrased sentence, when everything else I worded was (and has been) rejecting of the mind-body 'separation'. An artificial construct, I've called it. One needs to connect the abstraction and a concrete. The metaphysical identity of "man" with a particular individual man(/woman). And the biological individual indistinct from his mind which uniquely identifies HIM. And I have not inferred noumenalism. One doesn't "filter" reality, nor clearly, does one "absorb" it sponge-like and indiscriminately: A false alternative. One "focuses" one's senses, for perception and integration of reality, volitionally. (I think determinists get round the 'mind-body split' (or Soul -body split) by way of only acknowledging 'body'.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 45 minutes ago, Marc said: Turn off the lights, the party is over. Imagine the party to which nobody came. That is how all the scares, 'measures' and policies should have been dealt with from Day One. Do nothing (or close to). Don't arrive at 'their' party. It is not calculable how much better off humanity would have been now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Vaccinated kids half as likely to get Omicron, but protection fades fast — study TOI.BY Health Ministry-led research also shows teens who got their shots over four months ago only slightly better off than unvaccinated... Times of Israel reports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 2 hours ago, anthony said: Imagine the party to which nobody came. That is how all the scares, 'measures' and policies should have been dealt with from Day One. Do nothing (or close to). Don't arrive at 'their' party. It is not calculable how much better off humanity would have been now. Totally!!!!! Two years ago today, little Johnny or Betty Sue had the flu, you gave them some chicken noodle soup, lots of liquids and a popsicle for their throat. Now we shut te entire world down, steal flks money, destroy the economy and attempt genocide, and embrace Communism. Lovely. Nuremberg 2.0 awaits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmj Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Chicken soup ?! Fluids?! Not without a faucified double random blinded clinical study ! Trying to kill people or what !! Follow THE fuckin science dude! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted January 20, 2022 Author Share Posted January 20, 2022 12 minutes ago, tmj said: Chicken soup ?! Fluids?! It's the saltine crackers you put in the chicken noodle soup that's choking our population. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatGuy Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 WHO urges nations to lift travel bans & not mandate 'proof of vaccination' for entry WWW.REPUBLICWORLD.COM The World Health Organisation (WHO), has batted against international travel bans and mandatory vaccination for entry into countries, amid... World Health Organization calls for lifting of international travel bans | Travel Weekly TRAVELWEEKLY.CO.UK Restrictions contribute to ‘economic and social stress’ Dated 1/20/22, on the heels of the news that UK is lifting all restrictions and mandates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 Salty Droid says he got COVID. And he said how he has been curing it. Although it's humorous, he's serious on both accounts. He actually did get COVID (I've seen some videos where he showed signs of being sick). And he actually has been curing it--according to what he has said several times--with orange juice, beer, water, coffee, and some extra sleep. And he still makes videos. The more recent ones are showing him a lot better. Go figure. Michael 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmj Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 We don’t need no stinking crackers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 What a horror show. A guy in Minnesota got COVID and ended up in a hospital. The hospital people literally starved him and mistreated him because he refused to get vaccinated. When they threatened to remove him from the ventilator, which at that point, would have been fatal, his wife managed to get an injunction, then moved him out of state to a hospital in Texas. Now he is recovering and getting stronger by the day. The Texas doctor said he had never seen a patient starved like that in another hospital before. The Minnesota hospital literally wanted to kill this patient for refusing the vax. This is on The Blaze. 'Scheduled for EXECUTION': Unvaxxed COVID patient flown to Texas after being denied life-saving care in Minnesota 'Scheduled for EXECUTION': Unvaxxed COVID patient flown to Texas after being denied life-saving care in Minnesota - TheBlaze WWW.THEBLAZE.COM 'Now, we're not planning a funeral, we're planning for his release' Note, the headline is a bit misleading. The patient was not scheduled for execution by the government. He was scheduled for execution by the hospital. Here is the video. TheBlaze - Did Hospital Give COVID-19 Patient 'NIGHTMARE' Treatment... WWW.FACEBOOK.COM A doctor in Texas was shocked after he took in Scott Quiner, a COVID-19 patient who had nearly had his ventilator pulled by a Minnesota hospital: "I... I hope that Minnesota hospital gets a big-ass lawsuit aimed at it. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 There's a whole lot more to that story. Wife Stands Off With Hospital to Keep Her Husband Alive, and Wins Wife Stands Off With Hospital to Keep Her Husband Alive, and Wins WWW.THEEPOCHTIMES.COM A hospital said it would take Anne's husband's ventilator off so she seeks a temporary restraining order and has him transferred. Quote Sentiments expressed in random phone calls for Anne Quiner as her husband Scott lay in a hospital bed breathing through a ventilator ranged from “I hope your husband dies a vegetable” followed by a litter of profanity, to “he should have taken the vaccine; I hope he dies,” before hanging up. While not the traditional Hallmark expressions for one to get well soon, Quiner said it was a feeling shared among some of the doctors at Mercy Hospital in Coon Rapids, Minnesota, where Scott had been hospitalized for COVID-19 complications in November. In one recorded phone call with Dr. Linda Soucie in which Quiner was fighting to keep Scott on the ventilator, Soucie told Quiner, “Unfortunately, if we could turn back time and he had gotten the vaccine, then he wouldn’t be here,” just after Soucie had told Quiner, “After three years, I think we’ve gotten pretty good at determining who’s going to make it and who’s not, and unfortunately Scott’s in that range of the group that is not going to make it.” In a recorded conference call, doctors told Quiner that they would be taking Scott off the ventilator on Jan. 13 because he would not recover due to what they said were his “destroyed lungs from COVID pneumonia,” and that their attempts at decreasing sedation only caused him pain. Quiner told The Epoch Times that her petitions for alternative treatments, as well as to keep Scott on the ventilator, had been met with contempt. With doctors determined to take Scott off the ventilator, Quiner sought legal counsel. As stated in the previous post, she obviously prevailed and saved his life from an evil hospital system. I once heard that doctors swore an oath, the Hippocratic Oath. I guess that ethic is no longer fashionable, at least in Minnesota. With hospitals like that one, who needs morgues? Michael 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatGuy Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Another L for Biden... Biden overstepped his presidential power, federal judge says Federal Court Issues Nationwide Pause on Biden's Federal Employee Vaccine Mandate WWW.GOVEXEC.COM Biden overstepped his presidential power, federal judge says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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