Michael Stuart Kelly Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 I haven't looked for this, but I also don't watch that much TV and movies. DrNaomiRWolf on GETTR: I'm watching a Netflix show produced recently and I could swear the same actors look...different..before and after vaccination was compelled in their profession. Many now are almost..blurry, hard to focus on, thus less charismatic; as if their human light and radiance has been dimmed. Features puffier, as many have noted...which would make sense if you consider inflammation at a cellular level. I hope the human race recovers from this...people were so beautiful. GETTR.COM I'm watching a Netflix show produced recently and I could swear the same actors look...different..before and after vaccination was compelled in their profession. Many now are almost..blurry, hard to focus on, thus... Has anybody else noticed a difference in people from before to after jab? Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dglgmut Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 On 1/10/2022 at 8:47 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said: D, I fully disagree. Why? Because she doesn't want to inform the public. She wants to manipulate it into doing what she wants it to do (allegedly "make positive changes"). And even in the case of making positive changes, fear happens to be an excellent motivator. It's a great way to "help" people make positive changes. ("If you don't do XXX, I will fire your ass,"--when XXX is something positive that needs to be changed to and the bad habit is ingrained. Or, "If you don't do XXX, I will beat the shit out of you," when XXX is something positive that hasn't been happening but needs to happen. And so on.) Ask any kid if he hasn't made a "positive change" without fear some of the time, say, to brush his teeth. I actually found the lady to be perfectly good with words. So, no, I don't trust her a bit. I don't think she was being honest at all. I could almost see her looking toward her paycheck from her masters as she was talking... Michael From her point of view, which is the view she thinks the public holds, is that getting vaccinated is good for people and good for society. Here's an example of the negative enforcement that this lady is against: Column: Mocking anti-vaxxers' COVID deaths is ghoulish, yes — but may be necessary SPORTS.YAHOO.COM How should we think about anti-vaccine activists who die from COVID? Not fear, in this case, but I'm sure the lady in the video clip we're talking about is as against this as she is against fear mongering. Yes, she is trying to manipulate people. She's like those women who talk about "training your man." She thinks she's found a way to make both sides happy... Gently convince people to do what you want, and they'll be as happy as you. So my point is not that I trust her, but that she has half of the picture correct. She at least feels coercion isn't right (though she is arguing for efficacy in the video), even if she doesn't really respect people's autonomy/self-ownership. As you can see from the example above, some people have convinced themselves they are being righteous when they are completely off the spectrum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted January 12, 2022 Author Share Posted January 12, 2022 10 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: Where--in today's world--can people get the truth from any government? Or any news source? I don't trust any alt news but . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 On 1/11/2022 at 3:16 AM, Brant Gaede said: Heard a story this morning I hope isn't true: Young school children in California are being jabbed without the parents knowledge or permission. "You don't have to tell Mom and Dad." --Brant Brant: Incredibly disturbing. Certainly this domineering, Gestapo-like tactic, a sacrifice of parental consent/choice over their children to Authority has occurred already or soon will, in a free-ish country somewhere. I hope the perpetrators get prison time. But after all, many parents themselves are now rushing their children to vaccination in the righteous belief ... of what? It's good for you kids? (Nope) It's the good for 'society'? You kids need to protect "Grandma"? All the above? Thereby, teaching the youth altruism, early. Your life is going to be of lesser concern in the grand scheme of 'all others'...get used to it. Who 'owns' children? Who estimates and decides on their individual health, and will live with the consequences? Here is self-sacrifice of the greater value to the lesser - in contradiction and denial of all well-known evidence about the near-invulnerability of children to corona, outweighed by the known and future unknown risks and side-effects of vaccines - to mindlessly submit one's innocent values to the pressures and force from the sacrificers. "But they know best". "They care best for us all". 'They' are in charge. (Not to add, that the majority of healthy adults/parents too have submitted needlessly ~for the common good~ they boast, loudly proclaiming their moral virtue to all, with a photo on social media. Fine, that's their choice and right, but they are much older, some already approaching mid-life or close to and most might avoid later complications. However: for them to force that needless choice on their kids!? Who will live many more years to come, hopefully - long enough, possibly for any detrimental effects of vaccination to eventually show up? Unconscionable.) The world in the collective grip of mass hypnosis, anxiety and hysterics, or: "Mass formation". A Belgian psychologist's theory explained well by Robert Malone; (leading up to child vaxxes at about 36 minutes in). PART 1: Dr. Robert Malone on COVID Dogma, Media Fearmongering, and ‘Mass Formation’ Hypnosis of Society LISTS.YOUMAKER.COM “The mass is formed around the idea that the vaccines are magically going to be able to relieve ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 11 hours ago, Dglgmut said: She thinks she's found a way to make both sides happy... Gently convince people to do what you want, and they'll be as happy as you. So my point is not that I trust her, but that she has half of the picture correct. She at least feels coercion isn't right (though she is arguing for efficacy in the video), even if she doesn't really respect people's autonomy/self-ownership. As you can see from the example above, some people have convinced themselves they are being righteous when they are completely off the spectrum. D, I think you are reading her mind too much (which, I believe, is exactly what she wants you to do). She apparently had no problem with fear mongering for two years (I've never heard this fear is ineffective crap before), then suddenly she does. And she has the answer. Is that because she feels coercion is wrong? Hell, I doubt it. If I had to speculate, I think she found her niche market amidst the noise so now she can stand out. And she is going for it. But I do know why it is easy to get taken in by her. She used the full array of conman tricks (or in her case, conwoman). 1. She is pretty. 2. She speaks with certainty. 3. She speaks in a tone that conveys she has your best interests at heart. 4. She is likeable. 5. She gives the impression--through a few well-framed facts/assertions--that she is very knowledgeable and skilled at what she is talking about. 6. She is enthusiastic as all get out. 7. She promises you a lavish but unearned future divorced from reality. (In her case, a world where only information matters to people, not fear. A world where you do not need to feel afraid ever again. And a world where she and her fellow predators will keep you from getting a deadly virus forever and ever amen.) 8. She has the plan all set and ready to go. 9. She has her unique selling proposition entangled with her incongruous "secret truth" (which is for her, fear is not a motivator for human decisions or actions). 10. Her call to action is for you to do nothing but blindly obey her with something so easy, you won't even notice, and all will be yours. I could go on and on, and believe me, there is a lot more. Note that these are traits that people generally value among their intimates. They are also traits that lull people into submission by shutting down their defenses and their reason. Where you see a bit of a dingbat lying to herself, I see a skilled con. Study cons a bit and I believe you will see it, too. btw - I suggest you don't feel bad or defensive about being taken in by this stuff. (It stings, but that is only a cognitive bias kicking in.) God knows I have been taken in enough times. The trick is to learn it, not defend the story and image the con paints to you. If you learn it, you will be far more immune. Even Cialdini came up with his persuasion stuff from being conned too often. He openly says he is not the world's greatest genius, but the world's biggest sucker. So he set off trying to learn why. The rest is history. And he gave the rest of us some powerful tools to diffuse this crap. (Or even use if you have a heart of larceny. ) Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Just when I thought I had seen it all re Fauci... PETA's Vice President tells Tucker Carlson about Fauci's transgender monkey experiments PETA's Vice President tells Tucker Carlson about Fauci's transgender monkey experiments RUMBLE.COM PETA's Vice President tells Tucker Carlson about Fauci's transgender monkey experiments Your Giving Enables us to Fund Patriot Clips fighting every day to keep our country free. Join the fight D The gist is that Fauci has been trying to create transgender monkeys through hormone experiments to see how they will react to HIV infection. Good God... Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 7 hours ago, Peter said: Or any news source? I don't trust any alt news but . . . I go to a little place called OL! The folks do their own research, we all battle it out and argue, discuss and come to our own conclusions. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted January 12, 2022 Author Share Posted January 12, 2022 2 hours ago, Marc said: The folks do their own research, we all battle it out and argue, discuss and come to our own conclusions. Unfortunately, we hear surety that "millions of people have died from the vaccination," people's looks have changed and even if you are fully vaccinated and your looks haven't changed that doesn't count as evidence, and the vaccination program is worse than the murdering of Jews during the Nazi reign, just check out my alt news sources, they are guaranteed to be the truth or I wouldn't reference them, etc. It's an epistemological problem . . . I think . . . joke. Millions I tell ya! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Ehud Qimron's Powerful Letter to the Israeli Ministry of Health ⋆ Brownstone Institute BROWNSTONE.ORG "When you compare the destructive policies you are pursuing with the sane policies of some other countries — you can clearly see that the... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 22 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: I first saw this on The Gateway Pundit. I used the National File site above since the headline at GP was so over-the-top at fear porn. But this is where I got it and people interested should look at this one, too. The video is the same, but the report is different. More… Dr. Malone Mentions Possible Outbreak in China of Ebola-Like Hemorrhagic Fever Virus or Marburg Virus — That Has Only 50% Survival Rate An outbreak of hemorrhagic fever in X'ian province was reported three weeks ago. None of the original reporting suggested a "Ebola-Like" disease process. Most of the reporting was in English-language Chinese sources, as here: Quote Experts said that haemorrhagic fever with renal syndrome, also known as epidemic haemorrhagic fever, is caused by Hantavirus, with rodents as the main source of infection. It can be transmitted by a mouse bite, by eating food or water that a mouse h...Read more at: https://www.deccanherald.com/international/china-province-reports-litany-of-haemorrhagic-fever-cases-caused-by-rodents-1062563.html Unlike Ebola, this hemorrhagic fever is not transmitted person to person, from what I have gathered, not transmitted by aerosols like Coronavirus. Hantavirus, Dr Yan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmj Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 "alt news sources", ponder that phrase as 'an objectivist' for a bit 2 hours ago, Peter said: Unfortunately, we hear surety that "millions of people have died from the vaccination," people's looks have changed and even if you are fully vaccinated and your looks haven't changed that doesn't count as evidence, and the vaccination program is worse than the murdering of Jews during the Nazi reign, just check out my alt news sources, they are guaranteed to be the truth or I wouldn't reference them, etc. It's an epistemological problem . . . I think . . . joke. Millions I tell ya! poor dick's almanac was alt news too 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 1 hour ago, william.scherk said: An outbreak of hemorrhagic fever in X'ian province was reported three weeks ago. None of the original reporting suggested a "Ebola-Like" disease process. Most of the reporting was in English-language... William, Oh good. That means I don't have to keep an eye on this. I can rely on what the predator class media tells me and just forget about it. Thank God. Thank you, sir... Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatGuy Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 57 minutes ago, tmj said: "alt news sources", ponder that phrase as 'an objectivist' for a bit poor dick's almanac was alt news too And Rand's writings were considered "taboo", as well. As the ad copy for ANTHEM went: "Too daring for 1937!" (source: Letters of Ayn Rand) ("It is a sin to write this...") 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 3 hours ago, Peter said: Unfortunately, we hear surety that "millions of people have died from the vaccination," people's looks have changed and even if you are fully vaccinated and your looks haven't changed that doesn't count as evidence, and the vaccination program is worse than the murdering of Jews during the Nazi reign, just check out my alt news sources, they are guaranteed to be the truth or I wouldn't reference them, etc. It's an epistemological problem . . . I think . . . joke. Millions I tell ya! Its 1984 Peter. The terminology of fully vaxxed is being redefined daily. Even your own beautiful CDC states that three of every four deaths have four comorbidities. The narrative was collapsing, now its collapsed my good virtual friend. Praise President Trump! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 Thomas Pain? Wasn't he about as alt as alt news got? Michael 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 3 hours ago, Peter said: Unfortunately, we hear surety that "millions of people have died from the vaccination," people's looks have changed and even if you are fully vaccinated and your looks haven't changed that doesn't count as evidence, and the vaccination program is worse than the murdering of Jews during the Nazi reign, just check out my alt news sources, they are guaranteed to be the truth or I wouldn't reference them, etc. It's an epistemological problem . . . I think . . . joke. Millions I tell ya! The CEO of OneAmerica, Scott Davison, announced that death rates for people aged 18-64 had increased by 40%: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatGuy Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 The next time someone tells you to "Ask your doctor/trust the science" without irony: Scientists believed Covid leaked from Wuhan lab - but feared debate could hurt ‘international harmony’ "Emails to Dr Anthony Fauci show ‘likely’ explanation identified at start of coronavirus pandemic, but there were worries about saying so" Scientists believed Covid leaked from Wuhan lab - but feared debate could hurt ‘international harmony’ WWW.TELEGRAPH.CO.UK Emails to Dr Anthony Fauci show ‘likely’ explanation identified at start of coronavirus pandemic, but there were worries about saying so "Trust the science- Because you'll hate us if you don't..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 40 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: That means I don't have to keep an eye on this. I can rely on what the predator class media tells me and just forget about it. The pertinent point was that the hemorrhagic fever outbreak was first reported three weeks ago. Malone's views ... Quote They're using the language that this is a hemorrhagic fever virus. If that's the case, thenit would be very odd that this would be something caused by a coronavirus. That terminology is usually used for viruses in the family of Marburg and Ebola. So this is something that many people have figured is the development of a rapidly spreading Ebola-like hemorrhagic fever virus. I... But we have no knowledge of whether that's what's going on here or not. So we don't know if what we're dealing with is a further mutation of the SARS-CoV-2 or related coronavirus, or is it a new threat that's emerging in China. ... or a return of a seasonal Hantavirus-spread hemorrhagic fever in X'ian, Shaanxi (which was subject to a hard lockdown at the same time this outbreak of hemorrhagic fever was first reported -- three weeks ago)? Useful search term: "Hemorrhagic fever with renal syndrome (HFRS)" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 22 minutes ago, william.scherk said: Malone's views ... William, You might take a look at the transcript I did above. It had the Malone quote you just posted. Hell, the video does, too, except it's spoken. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 54 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: You might take a look at the transcript I did above. I took a look at the transcript -- and highlighted Malone's caveats therein. Sometimes it seems that truncquoating acts to stall or stymie to-and-fro --has discussion of HFRS been killed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 26 minutes ago, william.scherk said: has discussion of HFRS been killed? William, No. Tilting toward the predator class narrative, though, just to say we're discussing something is of no interest to me right now. Not even debunking the predator class narrative. I said I'm keeping an eye on it. That's me re my own interests. I don't have the time to take a course in virology just to win gotchas. My interest is that of a layman at the present looking out at a disaster-level danger I have heard warnings about. And I'm getting my information from people I trust, not first-hand. There's nothing wrong with that, either, but there's not much to discuss unless we start going into what XXX really meant or if YYY is crooked or whatever, etc., etc., etc. Or we can do data and jargon dumps on each other. None of that interests me. I'm thinking more about the Olympic athletes. In the wise words of Dr. Malone, sending them over to China in the current context is nucking futs. That's his phrase. I don't think he is speaking lightly. He doesn't want them to risk getting sick and dying. I'm also thinking about what happens if the world isolates China in a quarantine-like manner. But you are free to discuss this disease from any perspective you wish if you can gin up interest. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted January 12, 2022 Share Posted January 12, 2022 20 hours ago, Peter said: Millions I tell ya! Peter, Not millions. As of the end of August of last year, the number of COVID vaccine-related deaths in America was estimated at about 150,000. I don't know about world numbers. See here: Estimating the number of COVID vaccine deaths in America By Steve Kirsch, Jessica Rose, Mathew Crawford I have only skimmed this over, but from what I gather from watching Steve Kirsch, he uses information coming from VAERS (the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) of the US government in addition to other things. See here: VAERS Steve looks like one of the best sources out there for this, so if you are interested in skimming over his stuff, here is the link to his Gettr account: Steve Kirsch GETTR.COM Philanthropist. Executive Director, COVID-19 Early Treatment Fund. And here is a longish report he did recently on Substack: How to verify for yourself that over 150,000 Americans have been killed by the COVID vaccines How to verify for yourself that over 150,000 Americans have been killed by the COVID vaccines STEVEKIRSCH.SUBSTACK.COM And keep in mind that the Pfizer trial showed this might save 10,000 lives (best case). So we are killing 15 people to maybe save 1 death from COVID. And they are mandating we take it. I have only skimmed that one, too. I'm not discussing the substance of these reports so much as presenting them to up the seriousness level. I don't know where you got someone saying millions. I have not heard that. But I do know that Steve Kirsch is a reliable source. Michael 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmj Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 Not one , I tell ya! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatGuy Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 For the "turn off the emotional alt-right news/trust The Science" crowd: "One of the largest newspapers in Denmark is apologizing for its journalistic failure during COVID-19 by only publishing official government messages without questioning them. Via @Niemandsknecht" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony Posted January 13, 2022 Share Posted January 13, 2022 13 hours ago, Peter said: It's an epistemological problem . . . I think . . . joke. Millions I tell ya! A problem, yes. An inability to understand maximum benefit for maximum risk. Minimum-to-zero benefit, sinking negatively to detriment and harm, for they at minor-to-zero risk. Additional: zero effectiveness in controlling infection-transmission. Top scientists also have not understood. Their 'final' solution, anti-conceptual and concrete-bound - "Vaccinate EVERY body!". No one allowed to escape. ("Lock down - every body"). "The physical sciences are still ruled by some remnants of a rational epistemology (which is rapidly being destroyed), but the humanities have been virtually abandoned to the primitive epistemology of mysticism". The Romantic Manifesto Ch.1 (1971) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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