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Here is how a lot of Trump supporters think about Trump's support of the vax.

The main points are as follows.

1. They believe Trump already has an antidote for any toxic effects the vax may produce in waiting. 

2. There was an entire plan being implemented by the bad guys that depended on NOT having a vax and Trump upended these plans by producing one. They mention that in the beginning, nobody on that dark side wanted the vax or even thought it was possible. Then came the vax and they had to recalibrate and scooch their plans up by years. Then they flipped their position on a dime.

3. If Trump warned the public right now about not getting the vax, the bad guys would create some sort of health problem, put something in the air or whatever, then blame the damage and dead bodies on Trump telling people not to get the vax.

4. The important point for them is that Trump supports and defends their right to choose. They notice that he congratulated Candace Owens on not getting the jab and this is an indication of where he is at freedom-wise.

Delora even believes Trump's support of the vax is a Trojan horse for the bad guys. It certainly defused a lot of fake news campaigns and threw their plans into chaos.

These MAGA people are not just fringe. A huge chunk of Trump's base believe as they do.

I myself cannot claim any of this, or refute any of it, with certainty. I only know what I know and I'm not taking what anyone says on trust right now. But I can say their ideas are not the blathering of fruitcakes. I find their positions highly plausible.

Michael

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21 hours ago, Brant Gaede said:

 

Generally speaking altruism is more positively correlated with human biology and is not giving up a higher value for a lower one. That is a mother "sacrificing" for her children or a father for his family. 

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--Brant

One thing a human being does unconsciously, biologically - is breathe. The heart pumps; nerves conduct; all the rest.

Every single value a human has was seen, identified, judged, sought and discovered or made, by he/she. Consciously.

Then to eventually be made subconscious, by "self-programing" . (So they 'seem automatic' to the uninformed. The values' status instantly arises in the emotions).

Obviously non-Objectivists too, implicitly recognize their values were and are prioritized. Look after my baby! (before anything lesser). Don't over-spend your cash on something worth less than the money. Put the kids through college ahead of other enjoyment. Which interest should I dedicate more time, energy and thought to? (they are not endless resources).

Not any of that makes for 'sacrifice'. Unless, and when - it is.

You are aware, if mostly subconciously, those things are "worth it". It's gain. Self-interested, "selfish", gain.

The great number of values one can contain organized in "a value hierarchy". All the values one knows in order, that make up and emanate from the 'self': human, material, spiritual.

So: is "concern for oneself" up for grabs? Is the entirety, or bits and pieces at a time, of one's self-value to be given away to others on demand? (including the baby).

"Since nature does not provide man with an automatic form of survival, since he has to support his life by his own effort, the doctrine that concern with one’s own interests is evil means that man’s desire to live is evil—that man’s life, as such, is evil. No doctrine could be more evil than that.

"Yet that is the meaning of altruism". VoS

 

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According to MSK, here’s what many Trump supporters think about his telling people to get vaxxed:

1.  Trump possesses an antidote for any toxic effects the vax may produce.  

Even if true, why risk the vax at all?  

Why did he and does he wait deploying this amazing antidote?   

2.  The bad guys had a plan that depended on not having a vax.  Trump upended these plans by producing one.  

A plan worse than the vax?  What was the plan and what evidence is there that it exists?

3.  If Trump warned the public now about the vax, the bad guys would create a new health problem and blame the damage on Trump convincing people not to get vaxxed.

Why would people make such a connection?  The vaccine is damaging people NOW, the public is realizing it, and they should and will hold Trump partly responsible.

4.  Trump supports and defends people’s right to choose.

That is a point in Trump’s favor.  But for how long?  Should his past actions inspire us with trust in his respect for human rights?  Has he spoken out against taxpayers being forced to pay for jabbing other people?  Has he spoken out against the government-financed propaganda persuading people to get jabbed? No and No and No.

MSK writes:  

“These MAGA people are not just fringe. A huge chunk of Trump's base believe as they do.”

God help us.

 

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Audio by Deluxe; Trimmed out two digressions by Delora O'Brien from the first half of the show cited; I did not have time to include her digressions on "med-beds":

 

The world of adrenochrome ... mostly uncorrected transcript by Otter.ai:


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Delora, let's talk about why you think because just before we click record, you said, I know why Trump is pushing the vaccines. Now, this is a very great area for everyone. As for me as well, very gray area, I just don't understand. So why don't you give us a short presentation on what you might think this could be?

Delora O'Brien 0:19
Well, let me just do it this way. I call this Trump's Trojan horse. I'm going to do a whole big thing on it on my own channel, probably right after Christmas. [...]

And they won the war, because they came in through a door that the Trojans were not expecting. They thought it was a gift. And it ended up being their demise. So let's talk about Trump. We all know that the deep state Cabal, whatever you want to call it. These people have been working for our demise for probably over 100 years, probably longer. I personally think it happened the day we signed the deck of the Constitution. Half of those guys were great. Half of them were not. So what happened was they had planned over the over their plan to release the COVID germ that they had concocted and the it really is like a German cocktail, okay, that they had concocted. And what they did was they said, You know what, we're going to release this the way they did.

And over the next five years, they were going to create the work. They knew that they were going to commit fraud. They knew they were going to Biden was going to win. So they said now we've got everything over the next five years. What we're going to do is we're going to bring about what we want, which if you look at the Georgia Guidestones or if you look at lockstep Rockefellers, or you listen to go to YouTube, it's still there. TED talks on the population from Bill Gates. Their goal is to bring the population down to under a half a million. It's right now it's ready to go over 8 million. We're right there. 8 billion. So what they did, what happened was, this is what they were going to do and I've got notes written down because I don't want to forget one thing.

They wanted five years of torture full lockdowns, martial laws, mental psyops, extreme fake death coverages worldwide. Okay, the mockingbird media was going to infiltrate and say there is so much so many people being killed. This is the medicine we have for you to take. This is what we have to do. You have to stay in your homes you have to. So what happened was Trump used a Trojan horse. And he said, I'm going to get the vaccine out. By the end of the year, this was 2020. If you remember, and you can go back and watch it. Fake 46 That's in office right now in the United States said no, no, no, no, we're not taking your vaccine. We don't want your vaccine, your vaccines not gonna work. This is ridiculous. It's too soon. You can't do it. And the entire left and all the rhinos on the right, we're against the vaccine.

Why? Why were they events against the vaccine, because it was the wrong timing. They did not want that vaccine. Now remember, also half and this is a statistical fact. In fact, it says over half I don't know if I buy it. At least half of Trump supporters were freaked out over COVID and wanted relief. I know a lot of Trump supporters who got the job, a lot of them. So he was playing to them. And what he did was he played he is everybody says he's playing chess. He's playing chess. He didn't play chess. He played Checkmate. Checkmate. Here's the vaccines. Your five year plan is gone. There is nothing you can do now about it. And let me tell you what, what it would look like okay, and I wrote it all out.

By the second year of lockdowns, we know what the first year of lockdowns looked like second year of lockdowns, medication including methamphetamines, speed, dangerous sleeping pills, painkillers, 15 other depth, deadly medications they were planning on releasing to help with COVID would bring billions into psychosis, deadly depression, suicide and stop the production of the pineal gland.

The drunk the drugs would stop recovering selfie. They would blame it all on COVID. In the middle of COVID, they would release another variant like they're trying to do now. Right now they're trying to try to overcome this. They're trying to overcome it. years into the lockdowns, the death, deaths from the forcement and fourth medication and psychological torture, lockdowns with no supplies, remove look, fruits, meats, vegetables and grains would create haphazard sickness and deaths.

What Trump did when he released that vaccine, he destroyed the Moloch world sacrifice satanic Deep State Plan. It was a systemic, global, systematic, genocidal agenda. Now, okay. Once they had the kids, then they do Adrenochrome production again.He forced them to spend trillions of dollars creating the vaccines. Most of the vaccines, why do some people get sick and some do not? The ones who got it very early on. It was saline. It was saline, it's the only answer. Now people that are getting the boosters are getting very, very ill and dying. The reason is, is now they've had the time

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Pandemic lockdowns, forced vaccinations... mass sacrifices (and willing self-sacrifice) made of our individual liberty and rights.

Purportedly and presumably, for "concern for the other".

The UK, Aus, NZ, France, Austria, USA.

There would not necessarily have to be an evil Socialist plot to overthrow the West, but things sure are panning out in that direction, are they not?

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9 hours ago, william.scherk said:

The world of adrenochrome...

William,

I don't know what to make of the adrenochrome thing. All rebuttals I see of it lead to mockery, arguments by intimidation, declarations that it is a proven fraud (in the same tone they say "the science is settled"), yada yada yada.

Generally this crap from the same people who used to say not so many years ago that the Bilderberg group was a tin-foil hat conspiracy, that there absolutely was not--and never was at that--any evidence of voter fraud, that pedophilia among the elite was just a wacko idea, and so on.

That raises a huge red flag for me.

But, I don't know very much about adrenochrome. I do know an inordinate amount of kids disappear and are being trafficked, but whether it is to extract adrenochrome from some of them, I can't say.

Frankly, I'm not too interested either until someone I trust presents information I can verify. So far, I see no contenders on any side.

For now, I just say it's plausible one way or the other.

But nothing surprises me anymore out of the predator class. I certainly believe they are evil enough to do this if it is real.

Michael

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16 hours ago, Mark said:

According to MSK, here’s what many Trump supporters think about his telling people to get vaxxed:

1.  Trump possesses an antidote for any toxic effects the vax may produce.  

Even if true, why risk the vax at all?  

Why did he and does he wait deploying this amazing antidote?   

2.  The bad guys had a plan that depended on not having a vax.  Trump upended these plans by producing one.  

A plan worse than the vax?  What was the plan and what evidence is there that it exists?

3.  If Trump warned the public now about the vax, the bad guys would create a new health problem and blame the damage on Trump convincing people not to get vaxxed.

Why would people make such a connection?  The vaccine is damaging people NOW, the public is realizing it, and they should and will hold Trump partly responsible.

4.  Trump supports and defends people’s right to choose.

That is a point in Trump’s favor.  But for how long?  Should his past actions inspire us with trust in his respect for human rights?  Has he spoken out against taxpayers being forced to pay for jabbing other people?  Has he spoken out against the government-financed propaganda persuading people to get jabbed? No and No and No.

MSK writes:  

“These MAGA people are not just fringe. A huge chunk of Trump's base believe as they do.”

God help us.

I was going to write about this, but the more I look at it, the more I see there is no substance here. Just opinion dressed up as affirmations and rhetorical leading questions.

The guy obviously didn't see the video, has no interest in what people like these think ("God help us"), and he hates Trump.

What the hell is there to say about that? Troll right back and dress it up?

That is so not me.

So I'm posting to say I noticed. Yep. I noticed.

But big friggin' deal.

But I'm not commenting because there is hardly anything to comment on.

yawn...

:)

Michael

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13 minutes ago, anthony said:

I came up a blank. No, I double posted.

 

Merry Xmas!

Tony,

Does that mean if an idea came into your head and you didn't perceive it, the idea didn't exist? Like the tree in the forest? 

:)

Just funnin'. After all, this is a place for philosophy...

Merry Christmas to you too, including all those you care about and love.

:) 

Michael

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On 12/22/2021 at 3:07 AM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

So I think a lot of recent material from The Lancet should be scrutinized by objective experts (if and where such can be found anymore), especially where China and/or Big Pharma (and big money in general) could have influence on the report.

The hits are coming.

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The editor of the Lancet medical journal has admitted that Peter Daszak – a leading signatory of a letter published by the journal discrediting man-made origins of COVID-19 – had “significant” conflict of interests...

I don't know what happens to insiders once they get prestige, but they being to believe their reputations cannot be damaged by their own sleaziness, if sleazy they become.

Michael

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16 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

I was going to write about this, but the more I look at it, the more I see there is no substance here.

Styx, on the other hand, deals with the same subject and made a video full of substance.

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A few highlights.

1. Trump did not tell Candace Owens anything he has not been saying for a year or more. So people who treat what he said as something new are being silly.

2, Trump critics are terrified because Truth Media is set to launch in a couple of weeks. And don't forget the tie-in to Rumble. This is why there is an astroturfed campaign (with semi-identical texts) all over the mainstream media to gin up demoralization of Trump supporters. It doesn't work, though, and this particular effort is being seen as lame by the public in general, even by some Trump critics.

3. Trump is an old man with at least two comorbidities. So the vaccine and booster make sense to him and for him (even according to people like Dr. Malone, although Styx did not mention him).

4. Trump has always been in favor of individual freedom for matters like this. There is no reason to believe he would ever change. 

5. The people truly bothered by Trump's stance on the vaccines are vocal, but tiny in number. After Truth Media takes off, what little influence they had against him will diminish.

There is more, but that gives an indication.

btw - Styx generally supports Trump now, but has criticized Trump harshly in the past. So he is not a Trump fan like I am. In general, I agree with what Styx said in this video.

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MSK: “Trump did not tell Candace Owens anything he has not been saying for a year or more. So people who treat what he said as something new are being silly.”

New or old doesn’t matter.  The point is that Trump is saying it.  You can find this much of the interview for free:
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Trump:  The [covid] vaccine is one of the greatest achievements of mankind.  We would have had a 1917— remember the Spanish Flu killed perhaps a hundred million people. Actually it ended the first world war because the soldiers were so—.  A lot of people don’t know that.  The soldiers got so sick, it was a terrible thing, there were no vaccines, there were no anything.

I came up with a vaccine, with three vaccines.  All are very very good.  Came up with three of them in less than nine months.  It was supposed to take five to 12 years.
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Interviewer:  More people have died under Covid this year ... under Joe Biden than under you, and more people took the vaccine this year, so people are questioning how—

Trump:  Oh no, the vaccines work but some people aren’t taking them.  The ones that get very sick and go to the hospital are the ones that don’t take their vaccine. But it’s still their choice.  And if you take the vaccine, you’re protected.  Look, the results of the vaccine are very good, and if you do get it [covid] it’s a very minor form.  People aren’t dying [from covid] when they take the vaccine.
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I haven’t investigated Truth Media yet.  Will it promote the clotshot?  Will it allow criticism of the clotshot?  We’ll see.

MSK: “Trump is an old man with at least two comorbidities. So the vaccine and booster make sense ... for him ...”

His age is irrelevant.  All things being equal the jab is worse than covid across all age groups.  However in this case all things are not equal if Trump has two life-threatening illnesses.  Then we don’t know enough to have an opinion about the trade off in his case.   

But we are not talking about Trump getting the clotshot, we are talking about you, me, our friends, our potential friends, and everyone else.  To them he says ... you know what he says.

MSK:  “Trump has always been in favor of individual freedom for matters like this. There is no reason to believe he would ever change.”

Both statements are false.  However, given his repeated statements about “you got your freedoms” regarding the clotshot, he would find it difficult to reverse course.  (Which unfortunately applies to his  “take the vaccine” just as well.)

MSK: “The people truly bothered by Trump's stance on the vaccines are vocal, but tiny in number. After Truth Media takes off, what little influence they had against him will diminish.”

And that is supposed to be a good thing?   Read, again, this eloquent statement by Ellen Stuttle:

“It’s an issue of people’s lives and health, of children growing up damaged.  There are monsters behind all this who want the population weeded.  Every day those pseudo-vaccines are on the market and being jabbed into people is a day of more needless deaths and current damage and future damage set in motion.  This is not trivial brush-off stuff.  If Trump would come out and tell the truth on this one, it would help so much toward ending the decimation.”

Will Truth Media give us the truth about the clotshot or should its name be translated into Russian?   (Pravda – Russian for “The Truth” – was the name the Soviet Union gave its propaganda newspaper.)

Mark

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23 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

The guy obviously didn't see the video, has no interest in what people like these think ("God help us"), and he hates Trump.

What the hell is there to say about that? Troll right back and dress it up?

That is so not me.

Ditto for the post above.

Trolls gonna troll...

They can't not troll.

It's axiomatic. Law of Identity.

:)

The problem with trolling is that it is like litter on a highway. People are still going to get where they are going and the litter (trolling) is irrelevant to that.

Michael

 

EDIT: Just to be clear, after I made this post, the poster above went and beefed up his post. It no longer looks like trolling (like it did when I made my post), but read it carefully if you are interested. It is still without substance from him, despite a few quotes by others, and full of rhetorical leading questions. In other words, enhanced trolling. :) 

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btw - Much of the kerfuffle on doing a gotcha on Trump about the vaccines comes from Trump's interview with Candace Owens. Let's see what Candace herself thinks of the press coverage, specifically mentioning The Daily Beast.

And

Wise words. And words I agree with.

Especially, note the word "dishonest."

:) 

 

And now the bought-and-paid-for fake news press is trying to do damage control. However, even in the warped and slanted coverage below, they managed to present what--I believe--is the majority opinion on Trump by Trump supporters.

Anti-vaxxer Candace Owens says Donald Trump only got COVID booster and defended vaccines because he’s ‘too old’ to use the internet and read online testimony against the shots

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Conservative Candace Owens says that former president Donald Trump only praised vaccines because he is 'too old' and not savvy enough to do better online research.

(Anti-vaxxer Candace? LOL... There's that word "dishonest" again. :) Candace is anti-predatory-state-jabs, not antivax. I am pretty sure she has had all her main vaccines from infancy.)

The beginning summary from the article:

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  • Candace Owens reached out to her followers and told them that Trump only praised vaccines because he is not savvy enough to do better research
  • This comes after Trump pushed back against Owens anti-vaccine rhetoric during an interview that aired earlier this week
  • Trump told Owens that people unvaccinated against coronavirus are the ones getting 'very sick' and encouraged all Americans get the jab 
  • Owens has been one of the loudest Conservative leaders of the anti-vax movement and has said she will 'never ever' get the COVID-19 vaccine 
  • She went on to say that many donors and supporters of Trump were horrified by his support of the vaccine and are 'questioning where all of this is coming from'   
  • Owens blamed Trump's stance on vaccines on him only reading 'mainstream media news' instead of conducting research on 'obscure websites,'

 

The part in that article that is correct is not the "poor old stupid Trump" image (they got that backwards, that's Biden :) ), but instead that Trump gets his information from the mainstream press and from the people who brief him--like he has done for decades. He doesn't go to alt media for information (except maybe a few contacts like Alex Jones, Candace, and so on--and he mostly uses them for balance, not as main sources of information).

Once relevant information gets through to him on actual damages the jabs cause, I, like the vast majority of Trump supporters, know he will do the rational thing. He will call it like he sees it, then do something about it, even if he saw it differently the day before.

Candace certainly knows that. Just look at her tweet above. And she is the one who talked to him about the jab. Does anyone think she defends Big Pharma or the current mRNA vax shots?

 

Apropos, I still believe it is plausible that Trump's stance is chess-playing, at least in part.

Michael

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10 hours ago, Mark said:

Trump: I came up with a vaccine, with three vaccines.  All are very very good.  Came up with three of them in less than nine months.  It was supposed to take five to 12 years.

This is so good, but not for Trump. Anyone who thinks this is good for Trump is crazy.

 

The "supposed to take five to 12 years" part is my favorite, because the left seeing that must be salivating at the opportunity to call Trump out on his typical hubris and self-aggrandizing. It was supposed to take at least five years, this idiot tried to make a vaccine in less than 9 months!?

 

Then there's the part about him losing favor with his base. Again, the left have to love that. But the part the left would not like, is if someone is smart enough to rub their face in the fact that the anti-left (not necessarily right) are not too attached to Trump... rather it is they who are obsessed. If people are willing to denounce Trump because of his negligence concerning the vaccine (and better still, invasive procedures in general), that puts the left in a very awkward position. Is it really their love of vaccines and Science that got them in this position to begin with? Is that their foundation? Or were the people elevating the authority of certain institutions and groups exploiting something else?

 

People don't cling to authority for no reason... And the reason recently has been that Trump supporters/the Right are irrational and dangerous. A public display of rationality, reason and integrity (in dumping Trump, but not for the reasons they want) would really damage the narrative that incensed the left at the core of the issue (the ultimate would still be if they could reconcile with their fathers, but that won't happen).

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1 hour ago, Dglgmut said:

This is so good, but not for Trump. Anyone who thinks this is good for Trump is crazy.

 

The "supposed to take five to 12 years" part is my favorite, because the left seeing that must be salivating at the opportunity to call Trump out on his typical hubris and self-aggrandizing. It was supposed to take at least five years, this idiot tried to make a vaccine in less than 9 months!?

 

Then there's the part about him losing favor with his base. Again, the left have to love that. But the part the left would not like, is if someone is smart enough to rub their face in the fact that the anti-left (not necessarily right) are not too attached to Trump... rather it is they who are obsessed. If people are willing to denounce Trump because of his negligence concerning the vaccine (and better still, invasive procedures in general), that puts the left in a very awkward position. Is it really their love of vaccines and Science that got them in this position to begin with? Is that their foundation? Or were the people elevating the authority of certain institutions and groups exploiting something else?

 

People don't cling to authority for no reason... And the reason recently has been that Trump supporters/the Right are irrational and dangerous. A public display of rationality, reason and integrity (in dumping Trump, but not for the reasons they want) would really damage the narrative that incensed the left at the core of the issue (the ultimate would still be if they could reconcile with their fathers, but that won't happen).

I think its good for Trump, so guilty as charged!

When playing chess, sometimes a strategy is a gambit and my fav of all time, a certain kid from Brooklyn with the initials BF had some very famous gambits, one I recall against Spasky and also the Evans gambit ( victory in 17 moves).

Now anyone watching these games live would not have understood perhaps but now these games and gambits are studied and revered to this day.

#nogroundgame

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37 minutes ago, Marc said:

I think its good for Trump, so guilty as charged!

When playing chess, sometimes a strategy is a gambit and my fav of all time, a certain kid from Brooklyn with the initials BF had some very famous gambits, one I recall against Spasky and also the Evans gambit ( victory in 17 moves).

Now anyone watching these games live would not have understood perhaps but now these games and gambits are studied and revered to this day.

#nogroundgame

When you sacrifice your Queen, that may be good for you (lead to victory), but it's not good for the Queen...

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26 minutes ago, Dglgmut said:

When you sacrifice your Queen, that may be good for you (lead to victory), but it's not good for the Queen...

Very good observation! 

Trump never makes bad moves, yet basically every time he makes a move that folks think makes no sense, a few days, months or years later , people then see his brilliance.

This war right here on humanity is for all the marbles, so I undersand those who are still in Platos cave, we all started off in the same place.

As for Candace, I love herand respect her and admire her so much but nothwithstanding that, she iz way off base re Trump and what she said.

 

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11 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

The part in that [Daily Mail] article that is correct is [...] that Trump gets his information from the mainstream press and from the people who brief him--like he has done for decades. He doesn't go to alt media for information (except maybe a few contacts like Alex Jones, Candace, and so on--and he mostly uses them for balance, not as main sources of information).

Alex Jones performed a Christmas Day message about Trump and Candace Owens, ignorance and evil ...

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The world of Infowars performativity.

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MSK seems to agree with Candice [correction, the guy in this video] that Trump being an old man who maybe can’t use the Internet excuses his amazing ignorance.

Kennedy’s book,
The Real Anthony Fauci: Bill Gates, Big Pharma, and the Global War on Democracy and Public Health,
had been out for over a month.

Peter Breggin’s book,
COVID-19 and the Global Predators: We Are the Prey,
had been out for over two months.

Suppose, as appears likely, six month from now Trump still is boasting about his safe and effective vaccines, “one of the greatest achievements of mankind.”  What will MSK say then?  Trump can’t read books?

You can’t emphasize enough the importance of opinion-makers denouncing the poison-shot.  Dr. Peter McCullough to Joe Rogan:

“We've had giant of loss of life and unnecessary hospitalizations. Early on there was an intentional, very comprehensive. suppression of early treatment in order to promote fear, suffering, isolation hospitalization and death It seemed to be completely organized and intentional in order to create acceptance for [mass vaccination] and then promote [it].”

 

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The event Doug Kuzma attended was “ReAwaken America” in Dallas this month.  According to MSM reports “some” of the attendees said they felt they’d been poisoned.  

Tens of billions of dollars are at stake.  The Deep State has the motivation, psychopathic willingness, and plenty of loot with which to pull off a bioattack.

Why are the doctors sedating Kuzma, so much so that he requires mechanical ventilation?  It doesn’t make sense.  I’d like to know how he was treated from the beginning.

 

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