Coronavirus

[ThatGuy]

 

[ThatGuy]

2 minutes ago, ThatGuy said:

 

 

[Ellen Stuttle]

3 hours ago, anthony said:

The Jesuits: give us your child until seven and we have him for life...

If the child has been "jabbed" with the FDA-OKed Pfizer poison, it might be a short life.

I've seen some references to the sacrificing of children to Moloch.  They become almost literally apropos (no fiery furnace, but….).

Ellen

[Peter]

Ellen wrote: I've seen some references to the sacrificing of children to Moloch.  They become almost literally apropos (no fiery furnace, but….).

“The Time Machine” thunders forward. Queue the spooky music. So now children are the next target? Has the conspiracy changed? The conspiracy to kill our own kids with a jab must have started in America. Like supply chains I wonder what is now viewed as the supply chain conspiracy or path for the coronavirus?  Does it start with China or a lab in the United States? Dang that Fauci! Or from a short story or novel as Ellen suggests? Why was it created? Was its original purpose to kill or weaken humans, or was it just scientific sleuthing that got away from Doctor Wuhan Frankenstein? Was it a mere “tinkering mistake?” Remember the stories about one worker walked out of the lab contaminated and they gave it to innocents in China and then the world. I wonder what hard American intel thinks. 

[ThatGuy]

2 hours ago, ThatGuy said:

 

Meanwhile, in Canada:
 

Ford won't impose COVID-19 vaccine mandate for Ontario health-care workers | CBC News

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Premier Doug Ford said on Wednesday that Ontario won't make COVID-19 vaccines mandatory for those working in health care...

 

[william.scherk]

On 10/19/2021 at 4:47 PM, turkeyfoot said:

Merck holds the patent for the bacteria in Ivermectin. It doesnt want to repurpose a drug when it can push a higher cost Monupiravir. 

I think this is the only mention of Molnupiravir by name on OL to date.  The treatment has just been authorized for use in the UK:

If you don't want to read the gushing self-congratulations from Merck ...

UK first to approve oral antiviral molnupiravir to treat Covid

"Pill can be taken twice daily at home and priority will be given to elderly patients and those with health vulnerabilities"  

On 10/2/2021 at 12:05 AM, Peter said:

From Business Insider . . . Or was that outsider? A COVID-19 pill could soon fill a gap in our pandemic response that vaccines can’t overcome. . . end quote

 

A COVID-19 pill could soon fill a gap in our pandemic response that vaccines can’t overcome

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Antivirals that can be taken orally are "one more piece of the larger puzzle of solving the COVID problem," one public-health expert told Insider.

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A simpler, cheaper treatment

COVID-19 pills are an enticing prospect. They're simpler to mass-produce and administer, compared with antibody drugs OK'd to treat COVID-19. The antibody therapies are typically given as an hourlong IV infusion, followed by another hour of monitoring for side effects. The three leading antiviral programs are being tested as 10-pill regimens: two capsules every 12 hours over five days.

The pills are also likely to be cheaper than the antibody infusions, which are free for patients but cost the US government more than $1,000 per dose.

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Quote from Insider added

[ThatGuy]

"Trust the science, but don't quote the science, or else, we'll change the science..."

Politics"Emails Reveal Why the CDC Changed Their Definition for 'Vaccine.' It's Because Conservatives Were Quoting It."

 

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Here are some interesting quotes that went back and forth between various CDC employees. AKA, "the science."

"Right-wing covid-19 deniers are using your 'vaccine' definition to argue that mRNA vaccines are not vaccines…"

"I need to update this page since these definitions are outdated and being used by some to say COVID-19 vaccines are not vaccines per CDC's own definition."

This one is my personal favorite.

"The definition of vaccine we have posted is problematic and people are using it to claim the COVID-19 vaccine is not a vaccine based on our own definition."

 

Emails Reveal Why CDC Changed Their Definition of 'Vaccine.' - Louder With Crowder

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Too many right-wingers were quoting it.

So, first they say to "trust the science". But when taken at their word, they admit that their own words are insufficient? So, then, the science can't be trusted?

(What's the main ingredient in half-baked pretzel logic? Extra "D'oh!". Joke-it's funny, because it's true...)

[tmj]

They dropped the prevention at least colloquially , did they change the letterhead yet ?

Controlling disease sure sounds more hands on , and your faults/faulty actions would necessarily be imbued with built in deniability much more so then if you failed at prevention, prevention sounds like a losing proposition.

[william.scherk]

What's up with the use of Fluvoxamine for treatment of COVID-19? 

11 hours ago, Mark said:

While mentioning Kirsch I have to say I wouldn’t promote his work without a huge qualification.  He’s been pushing Fluvoxamine as part of the treatment for covid.  Fluvoxamine is a psychoactive drug, specifically a serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI).  If it helps treat covid I suppose it might be useful if the doctor has to throw everything at a recalcitrant case, used just that one time. Since other very safe drugs have proven so effective, what’s the point of promoting a dangerous drug?  He sees no problem with Fluvoxamine at all and suggests it should always be used along with the other drugs when treating covid.

A Closer Look at the New Fluvoxamine Trial Data

"Authors of a newly published study on the use of an antidepressant for COVID-19 claim the drug greatly reduces hospitalizations and mortality. But some experts question whether that’s really what the data show."

-- from the NIH in April of this year: 

Fluvoxamine | COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines

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Read about studies evaluating fluvoxamine for the treatment of COVID-19.

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There is insufficient evidence for the COVID-19 Treatment Guidelines Panel to recommend either for or against the use of fluvoxamine for the treatment of COVID-19. Results from adequately powered, well-designed, and well-conducted clinical trials are needed to provide more specific, evidence-based guidance on the role of fluvoxamine for the treatment of COVID-19.

 

-- published today, November 4, at Infectious Disease Advisor: 

Hospitalization Risk in High-Risk Patients With COVID-19 Treated With Fluvoxamine

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Reis G, Dos Santos Moreira-Silva EA, Medeiros Silva DC, et al. Effect of early treatment with fluvoxamine on risk of emergency care and hospitalisation among patients with COVID-19: the TOGETHER randomised, platform clinical trial. Lancet Glob Health. Published online October 27, 2021. doi: 10.1016/S2214-109X(21)00448-4

 

[tmj]

Suitable dose and duration of fluvoxamine administration to treat depression - PubMed

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The purpose of the present paper was to determine the suitable dose and appropriate trial duration of fluvoxamine to treat for depression. A...

Seems that is twice the daily dosage for depression treatment, is ten days a lot for use at this dose , are there adverse effects of 'jumping' on a SSRI and then stopping in that time frame?

[william.scherk]

On 10/28/2021 at 11:50 AM, william.scherk said:

Bundling this with a video "debate" moderated by Steve Kirsch, recorded yesterday. On the 'Kirsch side' (yes, the 'moderator' takes a side) a number of interested parties and researchers, on the other a fellow named Yuri Deigin ... 

Yuri Deigin gives a play-by-play of the debate (or "debate, since the format seems far from being an exemplar) on Twitter:

-- it goes on to list eight points in total.

 

[Ellen Stuttle]

2 hours ago, Peter said:

Or from a short story or novel as Ellen suggests?

HaHaHA!!!

Now that is really funny.  Sometimes, in your ignorance, you provoke laughs to remember.

Ellen

[Ellen Stuttle]

2 hours ago, william.scherk said:

I think this is the only mention of Molnupiravir by name on OL to date.  The treatment has just been authorized for use in the UK:

I think there was an earlier mention, but it doesn’t seem to have been by Turkeyfoot (I read his few posts of the last months) and it doesn’t show on "Search."  Maybe it was in a Quote box.  "Search" - very irritatingly - doesn’t search material in Quote boxes.

Ellen

[ThatGuy]

"Italy Makes a Stunning Announcement About COVID-19 Death Toll"

"Italy’s Institute of Health now counts only those who died from COVID-19 has having died from COVID-19, reducing COVID-19 deaths in the hard-hit country from over 130,000 to fewer than 4,000."

Italy Makes a Stunning Announcement About COVID-19 Death Toll

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Italy’s Institute of Health now counts only those who died from COVID-19 has having died from COVID-19, reducing COVID-19 deaths...

 

[Ellen Stuttle]

 

3 hours ago, william.scherk said:

-- it goes on to list eight points in total.

 

Just commenting on this point.  The others are more than I want to take time to address right now.  Looks like it's an assorted score between Kirsch and Deigin.  On this one, they're both wrong (judging from Deigin's report of Kirsch's contention).

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Yuri Deigin

 

@ydeigin

Lack of correlation in reported VAERS deaths and vaccination numbers does NOT disprove causality between the two (as I claimed in this slide) but actually proves that vaccines are much more deadly to older people

 

 

3:55 AM · Oct 28, 2021

 

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The lack of correlation between number of shots and number of deaths does NOT imply no causality, as Deigin says it does.  It could happen, for instance, that one day 10 shots are given to people none of whom has whatever sensitivity produces a fatal reaction and the next day 10 shots are given to people all of whom have that sensitivity.

 

On the other hand, neither does the lack of correlation prove that the shots are more deadly to older people, as Kirsch claims.

 

Ellen

[Marc]

1 hour ago, ThatGuy said:

"Italy Makes a Stunning Announcement About COVID-19 Death Toll"

"Italy’s Institute of Health now counts only those who died from COVID-19 has having died from COVID-19, reducing COVID-19 deaths in the hard-hit country from over 130,000 to fewer than 4,000."

Italy Makes a Stunning Announcement About COVID-19 Death Toll

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Italy’s Institute of Health now counts only those who died from COVID-19 has having died from COVID-19, reducing COVID-19 deaths...

 

Use these numbers and pro rate the entire world and you have the flu d'etat, and the plandemic.

World war 4 just ended.

We secured Normandy

[Dglgmut]

3 hours ago, william.scherk said:

Yuri Deigin gives a play-by-play of the debate (or "debate, since the format seems far from being an exemplar) on Twitter:

-- it goes on to list eight points in total.

 

The focus on the spike protein misses the real issue, which is that the lipid nanoparticles carrying the mRNA do not stay in the injection site. 50-75% of the vaccine circulates in the bloodstream and seeds different tissues including that in the heart, brain, and kidneys... This is why the type of reactions are so varied, and the auto-immune responses are unbelievable to a lot of people who assume that the reactions should have some uniformity to them since everyone is taking the same vaccine.

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

Christine Anderson, a Member of the European Parliament (MEP) from Germany, just did for the resistance to the vax tyranny what Patrick Henry did for the American Revolution. Steve Bannon even said her words were like the Gettysburg address in conciseness and power.

Must Watch Very Powerful - Christine Anderson European Parliament

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In the entire history of mankind there has never been a political elite sincerely concerned about the well-being of regular people. What makes any of us think that it is different now. - Christine Anderson...

Here is the golden phrase. This thing has gone viral all across the Internet the world over.

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... I will most assuredly not get vaccinated because my government tells me to, and promises in return I will be granted freedom.

Let's be clear about one thing: no one "grants" me freedom, for I am a free person.

So I dare the European Commission and the German government: Throw me in jail, lock me up and throw away the key, for all I care. But you will never be able to coerce me into being vaccinated if I, the free citizen that I am, choose not to be vaccinated.

 

It is awesome she said that in the European Parliament, which is about anything and everything except freedom.

Here is the full text of that 2 minutes or so of her speech.

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It is not the goal that renders the system oppressive; it is always the methods by which the goal is pursued.

Whenever a government claims to have the people’s interest at heart, you need to think again.

In the entire history of mankind, there has never been a political elite sincerely concerned about the well being of regular people. What makes any of us think that it is different now?

If the Age of Enlightenment has brought forth anything, it is certainly this: Never take anything any government tells you at face value. Always question everything any government does or does not do. Always look for ulterior motives and always ask: Cui bono? Who benefits?

Whenever a political elite pushes an agenda this hard, and resorts to extortion and manipulation to get their way, you can almost always be sure your benefit is definitely not what they had at heart.

As far as I am concerned, I will not be vaccinated with anything that has not been properly vetted and tested, and has shown no sound scientific evidence that the benefits outweigh the disease itself and possible long-term side effects, which to this day we don’t know anything about.

I will not be reduced to a mere guinea pig by getting vaccinated with an experimental drug. And I will most assuredly not get vaccinated because my government tells me to, and promises in return I will be granted freedom.

Let's be clear about one thing: no one "grants" me freedom, for I am a free person.

So I dare the European Commission and the German government: Throw me in jail, lock me up and throw away the key, for all I care. But you will never be able to coerce me into being vaccinated if I, the free citizen that I am, choose not to be vaccinated.

 

Steven Bannon interviewed her this morning.

Major Harassment With Propaganda Show Going On In Europe Over Vax

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Major Harassment With Propaganda Show Going On In Europe Over Vax

 

Notice that her notion of her own freedom is so strong, she is not calling the vax-bullies "tyranny" or anything like that. She is calling them "harassment."

You can almost see her dusting them off her shoes as she steps onto the path of greatness in human history.

Michael

[Dglgmut]

I believe the reason they are so focused on ostracizing those who dissent is almost a form of projection: The narrative itself doesn't matter, it's the idea of everyone uniting. It's like they take offence that some people don't want to join the group, and so they think the most appropriate punishment is total isolation.

The beliefs/details are irrelevant, it's the feeling that they are attached to. They are looking (desperate) for connection, and some people's words/actions are trivializing what they feel they need.

[anthony]

13 hours ago, Dglgmut said:

I believe the reason they are so focused on ostracizing those who dissent is almost a form of projection: The narrative itself doesn't matter, it's the idea of everyone uniting. It's like they take offence that some people don't want to join the group, and so they think the most appropriate punishment is total isolation.

The beliefs/details are irrelevant, it's the feeling that they are attached to. They are looking (desperate) for connection, and some people's words/actions are trivializing what they feel they need.

Like we know, the inherent need for and draw to self-esteem is felt by every human - When by those who deny individualism - and 'self' - they run up against a self-contradiction that could drive many vicious. The resistance of anyone not wanting to "join the group", or refusing to submit and repent in guilt for one's own "group identity" is a personal slap in the face to groupists. Their (quite narcissistic substitute) self-opinion counts upon a supply of others and more others, to esteem these second-handers. Your psychological observation is accurate, I think, and when taken together with their ideology which one can see sets groups at war with one another; forever finding new ones (e.g. vaccinated v. unvaccinated) to divide and take more control; you can see where they are heading. After the  collectivists have seen off psychological-political individualism, the Great Global Collective, the Blob I call it, can be attained. That means eradicating the family unit as well. Prime on the agenda is to politically dominate the foremost Western nations with socialist states. Everything falls into line for that final step, the global utopia, which will - probably, as I gather from some  -  be inhabited by a-racial and asexual beings (one can laugh, but that's the fantasy subjectivism/feelings/whims may conjure up) - and a global Marxist controlled economy that keeps their free commodities flowing - and, who will even have their own secularist faith (after necessarily isolating or wiping out the competitive Christian opposition, too), 'Wokianity'.

[Peter]

2 hours ago, anthony said:

Like we know, the inherent need for and draw to self-esteem is felt by every human

Unvaccinated people will soon be banned from going here, and people are furious by Andy Meek. The ongoing rollout of COVID-19 vaccines is unquestionably helping the world slowly get past the coronavirus pandemic. According to the latest data, a little more than 50% of the global population has received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine . . . In Los Angeles, for example? A county health order requires proof of full vaccination in order to patronize an indoor bar, nightclub, or lounge in the county. There are variations of that same vaccine mandate found across the US. At the country level, it’s a similar story. Some are much stricter than others when it comes to who can cross the border, and how. And what they can do after they’re inside.  

WASHINGTON (AP) — A person traveling with President Joe Biden to Europe this past week received a positive test result for the coronavirus, the administration confirmed Thursday, saying the individual did not have close contact with the president.

Theme from “Cheers:” Sometimes you want to go Where everybody knows your name
And they're always glad you came You want to be where you can see Our troubles are all the same You want to be where everybody knows your name.

[ThatGuy]

2 hours ago, anthony said:

Everything falls into line for that final step, the global utopia, which will - probably, as I gather from some  -  be inhabited by a-racial and asexual beings (one can laugh, but that's the fantasy subjectivism/feelings/whims may conjure up) -

Interestingly, there's a similar idea expressed in Chris Matthew Sciabarra's AYN RAND: THE RUSSIAN RADICAL, detailing a similar idea from both Nathaniel Branden AND Leonard Peikoff, as well as the Russian symbolists (talk about "strange bedfellows...):

 

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But in his work since 1968, Branden is far more concerned with the need to transcend culturally induced dualism in gender relations. Branden (1986, 241) observes that whereas men tend to disown tenderness, sensuality, and the capacity to nurture, women tend to disown strength, assertiveness, assertiveness, sexuality, and self-reliance. He argues that the most creative individuals are those who can integrate both “male” and “female” aspects of personality. By not conforming to cultural stereotypes, such men and women “are more open to the totality of their inner being.”61

In this regard, Branden and Peikoff agree, surprisingly, with modern feminist methodology. Lynda Glennon, for instance, emphasizes the need for “synthesism” in the human personality. The male-female duality, according to Glennon, violates the wholeness of human nature, splitting men and women into half-people. In her view, “culturally specific connotations of ‘masculine/feminine’ as opposite categories is, then, but one more variation on the dualism that pervades everyday life and thought.”62

It is fitting that both Peikoff and, to a larger extent, Branden, in their movement toward a fuller integration of alleged opposites, such as reason and emotion, the masculine and the feminine, have reaffirmed the tendency toward synthesis that Rand had absorbed from her Russian ancestors. This reaffirmation is all the more significant because it bears a subtle resemblance to the ideas of the Russian Symbolists. As noted in Chapter 1, Merezhkovsky had viewed the sexual act as the highest form of unity, since each body is interpenetrated by the other. For Merezhkovsky, true human being involves a synthesis of the womanly aspect in man, and the manly aspect in woman (Lossky, 1951, 337–41). While Peikoff and Branden would not embrace Merezhkovsky’s indivisible androgyne as a moral ideal, they are clearly engaged in a similar revolt against culturally induced sexual dualism. This revolt has become more apparent as Peikoff, Branden, and others have separated themselves from some of Rand’s personal attitudes, which had been codified by both her followers and detractors as part of the corpus of Objectivism. Rand’s traces of cultural conservatism, as expressed in her opposition to the candidacy of a woman president and her disapproval of homosexuality, were sometimes mistakenly elevated to the status of philosophical principle.63

Sciabarra, Chris Matthew. Ayn Rand: The Russian Radical . Penn State University Press. Kindle Edition.

 

 

[Peter]

On Fox Business just now, at 1:09. Pfizer CEO, Covid pill a game changer, but you must be 18 or older.

[william.scherk]

1 hour ago, Peter said:

On Fox Business just now, at 1:09. Pfizer CEO, Covid pill a game changer, but you must be 18 or older.

Merck has just had their Molnupiravir granted conditional authorization for use in the UK (story above in this thread); now Pfizer claims its drug Paxlovid has been found effective -- more effective than Molnupiravir:

Pfizer Says Its Antiviral Pill Is Highly Effective in Treating Covid - The New York Times

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Pfizer’s is the second pill to show effectiveness against Covid-19, and it is the first purpose-built to attack the virus that causes the disease.

From the NYT article:

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By Rebecca Robbins

Nov. 5, 2021Updated 8:18 a.m. ET
 

Pfizer announced on Friday that its pill to treat Covid-19 had been found in a key clinical trial to be highly effective at preventing severe illness among at-risk people who received the drug soon after they exhibited symptoms.

The antiviral pill is the second of its kind to demonstrate efficacy against Covid. It appears to be more effective than a similar offering from Merck, which is awaiting federal authorization.

Pfizer’s pill, which will be sold under the brand name Paxlovid, cut the risk of hospitalization or death by 89 percent when given within three days after the start of symptoms.

Pfizer said an independent board of experts monitoring its clinical trial recommended that the study be stopped early because the drug’s benefit to patients had proved so convincing. The company said it planned to submit the data as soon as possible to the Food and Drug Administration to seek authorization for the pill to be used in the United States.

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The research that Pfizer puts forward is here: https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04960202

A Study of PF-07321332/Ritonavir in Nonhospitalized High Risk Adult Participants With COVID-19 - Full Text View - ClinicalTrials.gov

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A Study of PF-07321332/Ritonavir in Nonhospitalized High Risk Adult Participants With COVID-19 - Full Text View.

Peter referred to a Fox Business report. I think this is what he viewed or read:

Pfizer CEO says COVID pill a 'game changer'

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Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla called Friday’s announcement that the company’s experimental antiviral pill for COVID-19 cut rates of hospitalization and death by nearly 90% in high-risk adults “a...

 

Edited November 5, 2021 by william.scherk
Added link to Molnupiravir posting; deleted reference to Ritonavir -- I am not sure if this is a separate treatment or a tweak on PF-07321332

[Peter]

39 minutes ago, william.scherk said:

Pfizer’s pill, which will be sold under the brand name Paxlovid, cut the risk of hospitalization or death by 89 percent when given within three days after the start of symptoms.

That is wonderful. Even if you are vaccine leery, after symptoms show, you may / will want to do something about it. Mankind in general is still doing counter evolutionary things, but so far . . .