BaalChatzaf Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 9 hours ago, wolfdevoon said: Uh-huh. (shakes head) The question was "How do you know murder is wrong?" and instead of answering it, you segued to the Golden Rule and NOIF. I replied that we're surrounded by rights violators and my family is armed. Okay, fine, you characterize it as lawful and morally correct self-defense, but it's not. It's a positive claim of privilege that evaporates when a cop, a tax bill, or a bad guy shows up. If you shoot someone, however justifiable in your own mind, you are presumed to be legally wrong. The great problem is independent action (of whatever kind). Fine line between heroism and evil. The Declaration of Independence was an act of treason, much like Roark blowing up a building and Guts Regan providing a corpse to fake Bjorn's suicide. I get the feeling that you're a law-abiding citizen and want everyone else to be law-abiding citizens. Unreasonable expectation. But more importantly, I subscribe to the notion of choice. Most of us exert such power as we dare. Some dare more than others. I am as armed as I am able to be. My hand eye co-ordination is pretty well shot (I am over 80) so fire-arms our out. My armament consists of a foil and cans of that nasty spray that blinds people. That is as much force as I have at hand. I lock my door, I do not display things that I do not wish stolen. As to government, it completely has the drop on me. I just do not go out looking to provoke some government asshole to make my life miserable. The only remaining element of defense after this are my wits. As to murder: Murder is homicide flowing from men rea (malicious intent) or from culpable loss of control. That is a legal definition. Killing in self defense is not legally murder although it is homicide. I really don't see why there is even a question. The legal definition of murder is fairly well known and it does not require any genius or special talent to know what it is. The real question ought to be : what kind of homicide is wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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