Chatter: Kerry, Biden surrender to Putin

[Wolf DeVoon]

US Not Seeking 'Regime Change' in Syria, Kerry Says After Meeting With Russian President

In Dramatic Reversal, US Vice President Biden Calls On Turkey To Withdraw Its Troops From Iraq

IMF recognizes Ukraine’s contested $3bn debt to Russia as sovereign

U.S. pulls F-15 fighter jets from Turkey

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*** US pulling its 12 fighter jets from Turkish airbase. Something strange is going on behind the scenes for sure ***

*** The US Deep State has either made a deal with Putin, or some event has taken place which changes the game, and the US being allowed to withdraw gracefully ***

*** Kind of explains that "Three Oil Tankers Turning Around" story -- something just snapped. Putin played the invisible card. I wonder what it was to get the US to flip/flop after all of this?! ***

*** Incontrovertible proof of any of a number of things that would cause some deep doo-doo here and abroad were these things to come to light? ***

*** Putin has got to have something political on those dolts. He's got something that will send them all to the gallows if it comes out in the public. What else could it be?! Did Putin just take over the world?! ***

*** US jets removed from Turkish airbase; Biden fails to back Turkey in Iraq; and Assad stays. Barack Hussein blinked. Russia can now attack Turkish airbase without harming US and European planes. ***

*** And then this: IMF recognizes Ukraine’s contested $3bn debt to Russia as sovereign ***

*** Holy shit! Ukraine, too? What the fuck did Putin threaten Kerry with? ***

*** On the surface it appears Washington is taking orders directly from Putin ***

*** Russia, Syria and Iran are in high gear for the kill. Al Nusra, Daesh and assorted mercenaries are being liquidated with extreme prejudice. Turkey's oil trade with Barzani's Kurds is finished. ***

*** And there's more: U.S. spending bill eases ban on Russian rocket engines ***

*** Is it possible that he has a full archive of all State Department communications over last few years? ***

*** You mean, something like the truth about Hillary and Benghazi and stuff? Well now, wouldn't that be a kick in the rubber parts. ***

*** Whatever the truth it must be driving the FSA crazy. ***

*** Seriously, none of this made the nightly news. None of it. Why? My best guess is that the USA has just become the new France, i.e., we have surrendered before the war even started. ***

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and in a WTF?? category of its own

CVN-75 carrier strike group under French command, transited Suez, no longer in Med

[Brant Gaede]

WTF is the US business in Ukraine?

After that is established--something or nothing--we can ask similar questions about the Middle East.

--Brant

[Wolf DeVoon]

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*** 100 "gunman" in southern Iraq have just kidnapped a Qatari royal hunting party. They had been escorted by Iraqi military, who stood down when these 100 gunmen in trucks approached. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35112774 ***

*** US will likely abandon both the Turks and the Saudis, but I don't see the US being able to successful come into Arabia and take control after the royals fall from power. Iran and Russia are now the dominant powers in the region and they will not permit US to have direct control of the oil fields in Shia-majority eastern Arabia. Also, American troops actually invading near Mecca and Medina will inflame the entire Islamic world and lead to blowback unlike any known in history. I can imagine both the Americans and the Iranian-Russian alliance attempting a proxy war by pushing various local pretenders for control of the Arabian peninsula. But with Shia domination of the oil rich areas, I think the Americans will be at a severe disadvantage to put in a new puppet once the Saud family is out of the picture. The most likely final outcome in my view remains a Shia-controlled eastern Arabia, a Wahhabi rump state around Riyadh, and a mainstream Sunni takeover of Mecca and Medina, most likely led by the Egyptians who are geographically closest to the Hijaz and can dispatch troops across the Red Sea to secure the holy cities. And I think once the Saudis fall and Turkey potentially devolves into civil war, Israel's days are numbered. If the Zionists are smart, they will take the peaceful South Africa solution and accept a bi-national state with a Palestinian majority. If they are stupid and intransigent (and I believe they are), then Israel will face an ugly end akin to the collapse of the French colonial occupation of Algeria, with a mass exodus of Jewish refugees from a collapsing state. ***

*** Turkey is about to be carved up -- no pun intended. They have outlived their supposed usefulness as a make believe NATO state and now they are a liability. Anyone following Yemen? They're kicking the living shit out of Saudi Arabia. ***

[Selene]

Once again, check Allen Drury fifth book in his Advise and Consent series, Come Ninevah, come Tyre.

Barack O'bama and Ted Jason have many similarities...

Great Reads - Allen Drury's Come Nineveh, Come Tyre
If you're looking a scary book to read, this is it. In Come Nineveh, Come Tyre, Drury paints a picture of what would happen to our democratic government if the communist party were to come to power. Many of the scenarios Drury weaves had a strong sense of realism for me. I could see events just like this unfolding in this country and Americans finding themselves in an unexpected and very unwelcome predicament. And then what would happen to this democratic experiment? Drury leaves the answer to that question up to the reader.

He understood, too, the likely consequence, or at least one highly possible series of consequences, of the larger demagogy caused by the endless grasp for power. In Advise and Consent, the good guys win, notwithstanding the tragic price some of them have to pay. In A Shade of Difference and Capable of Honor, the good guys win, but with some ambiguity, and the reader is left with the idea that the other side will always be able to come back for more, whereas the patriotic American side, which holds that the nation can reverse its injustices at home and stand abroad as a bulwark of civilization against international communism, seems to be growing weaker. In fact, though he later left the racial question aside, in foreign affairs Drury became increasingly pessimistic. There were reasons for hope in the 1980s, but toward the end, with A Thing of State (1995), he was diagnosing American leadership as sooner or later incapable of resisting the likes of Saddam Hussein.

http://www.hoover.org/research/allen-drury-and-washington-novel

[Brant Gaede]

Is Putin the rational actor?

Or simply the more honest?

--Brant

Obama ("Liar, liar pants on fire!")

[anthony]

And I think once the Saudis fall and Turkey potentially devolves into civil war, Israel's days are numbered. If the Zionists are smart, they will take the peaceful South Africa solution and accept a bi-national state with a Palestinian majority. If they are stupid and intransigent (and I believe they are), then Israel will face an ugly end akin to the collapse of the French colonial occupation of Algeria, with a mass exodus of Jewish refugees from a collapsing state. ***

Sounds like peace at all costs- there are some things far worse than an accomodation for 'peace'. Call them intransigent, but Israelis know a little better. It is not coexistence the PLO and (especially) Hamas want, it is to take it all. Which the latter know will happen by demography, if not by overwhelming force (the most likely) after the touted One State Solution. The "peaceful South African solution" in a country where racism and economic repression is increasingly encouraged and legalized by leaders, against 10% of the populace, gives me a wry smile.

[Wolf DeVoon]

I think I should stop reading the news.

[Selene]

I think I should stop reading the news.

 

 

 

Seems perfectly reasonable to me and Bruce: