Ayn Rand on Immigration

[william.scherk]

Neil is an honorable guy, and a valiant critic of He Whose Book Is Out Of Print. I have always liked and respected his no-recompense project to thoroughly analyze and expose the defects in Out Of Print.

I won't breach confidentiality, but Neil is a practicing attorney, schooled in law. If I were him, I would say no more about his lack of knowledge or his vague impressions of exaggeration. There is no pay-off. One can become a target for the emotional revulsion that meets real Holocaust deniers and 'revisionists.' The greater target is the irrational and actively deceptive work of the real ugly folks out there. I might be disappointed in the 'dunno' slough-off, but that doesn't mean I am going to harry Neil (if he wants to update his on and off reading, that's on him, and no one should expect him to report on his journey, in my opinion).

That said, for those who wonder what kind of reliable resources are available to redress ignorance of details of the Denial Industry, I recommend the Nizkor Project. It is a well-balanced and non-emotional website that critically examines every single spurious claim made by the Industry.

it's no sin to be ignorant of details of the Holocaust. I am ignorant. I am not a historian. I can't give a long article on the Holocaust without protracted study and thought, and even then I would not publish it here. To what end? It's on all of us to do our own intellectual work if interested.

I strongly believe that by applying reason, we can gain reliable knowledge. We can contest cultural memes and campaigns to impugn survivors. We can offer effective rebuttals if challenged by slurs and hint-hints and vague allusions to Joo perfidy ...

One superb introduction to the rational riches of the Nizkor Project is the deconstruction of the so-called Leuchter Report, which was and is still cited by the Joo-hating deranged who couldn't reason their way out of an Arby's drive-through. Another tightly-focused deconstruction of the insidious revisionism of the Industry is the series 66 Questions & Answers About the Holocaust. I'd recommend this to anyone who has a general interest in the contours of what the Industry touts as 'just asking questions.'

If one wants simply to be horrified and prime a nightmare about Tattooed Skin Lamps and Handbags, one can read Deceit & Misrepresentation, The Techniques of Holocaust Denial: Documents concerning Ilse Koch.

Of interest perhaps to the lurking Mark, here is Deceit & Misrepresentation, The Techniques of Holocaust Denial: The Soap Allegations.

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

Here are a few quotes from Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler (see here):

Eternal Nature inexorably avenges the infringement of her commands.

Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.

. . .

... the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. These people know only too well how to use falsehood for the basest purposes. From time immemorial, however, the Jews have known better than any others how falsehood and calumny can be exploited. Is not their very existence founded on one great lie, namely, that they are a religious community, whereas in reality they are a race? And what a race!

. . .

Since the Jew is not the attacked but the attacker, not only anyone who attacks passes as his enemy, but also anyone who resists him. But the means with which he seeks to break such reckless but upright souls is not honest warfare, but lies and slander.

Here he stops at nothing, and in his vileness he becomes so gigantic that no one need be surprised if among our people the personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew.

. . .

With satanic joy in his face, the black-haired Jewish youth lurks in wait for the unsuspecting girl whom he defiles with his blood, thus stealing her from her people. With every means he tries to destroy the racial foundations of the people he has set out to subjugate. Just as he himself systematically ruins women and girls, he does not shrink back from pulling down the blood barriers for others, even on a large scale. It was and it is Jews who bring the Negroes into the Rhineland, always with the same secret thought and clear aim of ruining the hated white race by the necessarily resulting bastardization, throwing it down from its cultural and political height, and himself rising to be its master.

I don't know why certain people are trying to minimize the Holocaust, but the above quotes cannot be denied by anyone. They are part of the book. (And there is plenty more anti-Semitic bigotry from that book and Nazi literature in general.)

That is real hatred I see expressed above, the kind that moves the hater to want to exterminate the object of his hatred.

Now, after seeing Germany wreak massive devastation in WWII on others, are we to imagine that with Jews, Hitler was a man of words only and not a man of action? That somehow he was not as bad as history records him being?

Talk about a leap of faith...

Michael

[Selene]

William:

I am not looking for the info.

He chose to post that...which attracted my attention precisely because it was unusual and his response was, frankly, more "unusual."

That's it. Let's just drop it, ok.

A...

[Wolf DeVoon]

Let's just drop it, ok.

Not quite yet. Woodrow Wilson (eugenics) and Neville Chamberlain (Munich) enabled Hitler.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/2003-09-14-book-usat_x.htm

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2757926/

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/345274/progressive-racism-paul-rahe

[Selene]

Let's just drop it, ok.

Not quite yet. Woodrow Wilson (eugenics) and Neville Chamberlain (Munich) enabled Hitler.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/2003-09-14-book-usat_x.htm

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2757926/

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/345274/progressive-racism-paul-rahe

Wolf, I was talking about the "red herring" that gets dragged into this and we spend three _______ pages quibbling over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

As to your statement above, they sure helped it along.

A....

[william.scherk]

Adam, my remarks weren't meant to address you personally. I understand why you and Tony query Neil's hint-hintiness or the peekaboo quality of his interjections.

I am sure you have an understanding of the issues and need no time at Nizkor. I was laying out my thoughts and laying out some resources for those who might be among the perplexed.

[Selene]

Adam, my remarks weren't meant to address you personally. I understand why you and Tony query Neil's hint-hintiness or the peekaboo quality of his interjections.

I am sure you have an understanding of the issues and need no time at Nizkor. I was laying out my thoughts and laying out some resources for those who might be among the perplexed.

Yes William, I understand, however maybe sometimes we can let the thread flow before a long long post appears.

Your posts are excellent in terms of the information. However, sometimes it is about timing.

And I understand that I could be said to do the same with a visual cartoon or Gif and I would have to respect it if I was asked to be a bit more judicious in employing them.

At least yours make sense whereas as Peter's do not and when they do, you need a special Rosetta Stone to figure them out.

A...

Just using my "out loud voice"

[Wolf DeVoon]

Back on topic, sort of, to the matter of immigration, the Atlantic published a noteworthy article today.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/10/get-rid-borders-completely/409501/?google_editors_picks=true

[Brant Gaede]

I need my space. Everybody--get off this thread NOW!

--Brant

stomp, stomp!

(I like to watch people jump)

[syrakusos]

Thanks, Wolf. It is pretty much my own opinion. Nonetheless, private property is how you enjoy your right to be left alone. If some Mormons want to have their own lifestyle, that, too is their business. They may well be prosperous. Apparently, Mitt Romney's home colony was. The article did not intend that people just go wherever the pickings are good. That said, given the context of public lands (streets, post offices), then, yes, it would seem that people should just go wherever they want. It would erase a lot of the negative differences, and make the whole planet more prosperous.

When I speak for open immigration here in Texas, my friends from the border ask if I have ever seen the other side, or what "they" are doing to "ours." My point that the enforced border actually creates that disparity fails to persuade.

You can find a strong advocate for armed defense of the border on the Galt's Gulch board in the person of Alan Ashinoff. He wrote two books, Shadows Live Under Seashells, a novel set in 2084 and Failures of Vision, short stories antecedent to the novel. I enjoyed the opening story as a good example of romantic realism with people coming to conflict because of the conflicts in their values. We see a group of Mexican illegals crossing the desert at night in the custody of a "coyote" (trafficker). One of the illegals ls looking forward to Phoenix, where he has family. On the lookout for them is a group of American patriots who have armed themselves to stop the invasion and protect the border. Coming upon the scene is a US Border Patrol Agent. He calls out to the men. They turn around. Facing an array of firearms, he opens fire on them. They kill him. The gunfire scatters the Mexicans who die of exposure the next day.

I gave Alan's books good reviews. (See on OL here.). He writes well. But we were not connected on the intention: he was 100% writing about the patriots, and thought that his story clearly blamed the Mexicans for invading the US and the Border Patrol for not stopping them.

[Wolf DeVoon]

I need my space. Everybody--get off this thread NOW!

--Brant

stomp, stomp!

(I like to watch people jump)

The final frontier ... Brant in space

[Brant Gaede]

Thanks, Wolf. It is pretty much my own opinion. Nonetheless, private property is how you enjoy your right to be left alone. If some Mormons want to have their own lifestyle, that, too is their business. They may well be prosperous. Apparently, Mitt Romney's home colony was. The article did not intend that people just go wherever the pickings are good. That said, given the context of public lands (streets, post offices), then, yes, it would seem that people should just go wherever they want. It would erase a lot of the negative differences, and make the whole planet more prosperous.

When I speak for open immigration here in Texas, my friends from the border ask if I have ever seen the other side, or what "they" are doing to "ours." My point that the enforced border actually creates that disparity fails to persuade.

You can find a strong advocate for armed defense of the border on the Galt's Gulch board in the person of Alan Ashinoff. He wrote two books, Shadows Live Under Seashells, a novel set in 2084 and Failures of Vision, short stories antecedent to the novel. I enjoyed the opening story as a good example of romantic realism with people coming to conflict because of the conflicts in their values. We see a group of Mexican illegals crossing the desert at night in the custody of a "coyote" (trafficker). One of the illegals ls looking forward to Phoenix, where he has family. On the lookout for them is a group of American patriots who have armed themselves to stop the invasion and protect the border. Coming upon the scene is a US Border Patrol Agent. He calls out to the men. They turn around. Facing an array of firearms, he opens fire on them. They kill him. The gunfire scatters the Mexicans who die of exposure the next day.

I gave Alan's books good reviews. (See on OL here.). He writes well. But we were not connected on the intention: he was 100% writing about the patriots, and thought that his story clearly blamed the Mexicans for invading the US and the Border Patrol for not stopping them.

When we deal with immigration issues today we are addressing two main groups of potential and actual immigrant groups: Hispanics from Mexico and Central America and Muslims from the Middle East. I'm not trying to address the latter group in this post.

Growing up in Tucson in the late 1940s and 1950s I was always associating with Mexican Americans. I still am. Many were born in the States. My impression of those who come here from there--contemporary immigrants--is they are generally motivated by economic reasons, work and benefits. There are easily, from what I've read, over 10 million "illegals" here now. As a practical matter they are mostly going to stay here absent economic incentives to go south.

I have no problem with them working. I have a problem with benefits. I think most but not all of those should be cut back, without specifying which, for I don't know enough. Then issue worker ID cards entitling them to go back and forth across the border. Thus we know who they are and they can get drivers' licenses and auto and other insurance and the census can be adjusted, etc., etc.

This is but one partial facet of a difficult and complex issue with any ideological ideal all messed up, but it's still about freedom.

--Brant

[Wolf DeVoon]

If we cut welfare incentives, immigration problem is solved, gangsta problem is solved, melting pot revived.

67% of federal spending is entitlements, half of all state and county budgets (~$5 trillion a year total)

 

[Brant Gaede]

I envy your ability to come up with and post these pie and other charts.

My ability is to make posts that all these graphics and data are reactively put up by you, Adam and William.

--Brant

happy parasite (Peter Keating got Howard Roark to fix all his stuff too [i never could understand why he didn't slap Wynand])

[Selene]

Wolf draws a yellow card for charting outside the chalk lines...who do you think you are Evita Rodham Clinton?

[Wolf DeVoon]

Wolf draws a yellow card for charting outside the chalk lines...who do you think you are Evita Rodham Clinton?

It took a while to find all the code, fixed it.

[Selene]

Wolf draws a yellow card for charting outside the chalk lines...who do you think you are Evita Rodham Clinton?

It took a while to find all the code, fixed it.

good now teach me how to do what you did because Michael explained this once to me and I still have not been able to remember how to do it...

[9thdoctor]

The final frontier ... Brant in space

Finally someone to balance out the crew aboard the Swine-Trek

[Wolf DeVoon]

teach me how to do what you did because Michael explained this once to me and I still have not been able to remember how to do it...

I posted the image then edited it ('Enable HTML' check box)

The image had style tags in px width px height. I deleted them and added a simple width tag ...<img width="500" src="

[Brant Gaede]

I get SS and Medicare. I use the modest SS to pay for the Medicare premium. I'd be willing to have my SS cut in half if my Medicare premium were eliminated. For me Medicare is the abomination. It's driven costs through the roof. I was against it 50 years ago and now it's worse than I could have imagined. It's not just costs. It's what it has done to the doctors and doctoring. Etc. Technically I could have been getting food stamps for over 12 years. That will never happen even though I'd take the Feds down for a billion if I had a way. It's psychological and psychologically I'm at war with Washington. I want it to bloat up and blow up. Many young have decided not to even work. With benefits they don't have to slave to get a middle class life-style, especially if they have kids but avoid marriage. The lady gets benefits too; more with children. And if the father has a different mailing address, they can all live together and it's all legal.

--Brant

working and aspiring to

[Selene]

Brant:

Why would a 70 year old woman with a hypothyroid condition be ringing medical bells and concern?

A...

[Brant Gaede]

Brant:

Why would a 70 year old woman with a hypothyroid condition be ringing medical bells and concern?

A...

I'm not a doctor. (Am I missing part of the conversation?) Isn't this easily corrected with medication?

--Brant

[william.scherk]

Brant:

Why would a 70 year old woman with a hypothyroid condition be ringing medical bells and concern?

A...

I'm not a doctor. (Am I missing part of the conversation?) Isn't this easily corrected with medication?

--Brant

I think Adam means Hillary 'Evita' Clinton, though Clinton won't actually reach age 70 until October 26, 2017.

Clinton's last medical exam was made public this past summer, according to the Daily Mail. She apparently takes a daily blood-thinner and ground up pig thyroid. If I am not mistaken, the former Diana Mertz Brickell Hsieh is also subject to hypothyroidism, and takes the same or similar 'natural' remedy.

[Brant Gaede]

Oh, the Pig In A Pant Suit (PIAPS).

--Brant

slow on the uptake

[Mikee]

The Case for getting rid of borders

Not in the context of a growing welfare state perhaps. Or perhaps it's the cure... Immigrants have a higher energy level and work ethic typically (so I've heard) than the stay-at-homeniks.