Love defined in one sentence?

[william.scherk]

If there are no values involved at all, then who needs love? I could just go see a prostitute. Sounds like it would actually cost me less.

You talk as if "values" are universal, no difference between men, women, children, dykes or dicklickers.

Dykes or dicklickers?

That is worth a mini-essay.

It is good that Wolf says 'slurs are silly.' And, well, good-ish that he calls Roger a fraud. And associates Tony with a brick.

Edited December 21, 2015 by william.scherk

[Brant Gaede]

Jeez, Brant. You're on a roll this morning. Trump can't win a debate, we can't prove there's no God, and Ayn Rand got what she wanted.

Well, how about Ayn Rand got what she wanted--and then she got greedy?

--Brant

[Wolf DeVoon]

Jeez, Brant. You're on a roll this morning. Trump can't win a debate, we can't prove there's no God, and Ayn Rand got what she wanted.

Well, how about Ayn Rand got what she wanted--and then she got greedy?

--Brant

The point of saying trainwreck is that's what Frank and Nathan and Barbara got. Same thing in fiction: Kira, Leo, Andre, Peter Keating, Dominique, Wynand, Francisco, Rearden, Galt outed by Dagny and tortured. Dagny suffered the worst: everything she cared about was taken from her -- destroyed. That's what happened to Ayn Rand, too. Turned her into a liar. Wrecked her legacy. The only one who didn't abandon her was an idiot acolyte, angling for a pot of gold.

Transcript of romantic love: kaboom!

[Wolf DeVoon]

Here's the deal about God, using the standard definition: Eternal, omniscent, indestructible. Impossible for God to be for or against anything, because nothing can be for or against an eternal entity. Synonymous with physical nature -- the Universe -- which doesn't give a crap about you or me or my dog. God makes exactly as much sense as a lucky charm. A ghost story propounded to terrify and control savages before anyone knew the elements of chemistry, astronomy, or human anatomy. Magic words, sacraments and miracles are bullshit.

[Brant Gaede]

Jeez, Brant. You're on a roll this morning. Trump can't win a debate, we can't prove there's no God, and Ayn Rand got what she wanted.

Well, how about Ayn Rand got what she wanted--and then she got greedy?

--Brant

The point of saying trainwreck is that's what Frank and Nathan and Barbara got. Same thing in fiction: Kira, Leo, Keating, Dominique, Wynand, Francisco, Rearden, Galt outed by Dagny and tortured. Dagny suffered the worst: everything she cared about was taken from her -- destroyed.

Transcript of romantic love: kaboom!

Well, we analyze it differently. There is victimhood, but I avoid it when I can.

Your statement about Dagny is flat out wrong with its "worst" and "everything" and it ignores where she ended up.

--Brant

life hurts--if you're lucky it doesn't hurt all the time and if luckier not too often--that's what bandaides and Mom are for

[Wolf DeVoon]

It is good that Wolf says 'slurs are silly.' And, well, good-ish that he calls Roger a fraud. And associates Tony with a brick.

Making it easy for you to feel superior. I stand by my remarks as accurate and fair.

[Wolf DeVoon]

Hey Brant, I didn't see or say anything about victimhood. Love is the exception-making. Costs plenty, everything you have, every time. I'm reminded of an old broad in Hollywood who described herself as a housekeeper. She married the guy, divorced him, and kept the house.

It was in the Fountainhead somewhere, I don't want to look it up. Someone says to Dominique that if she ever loved a man, she'd put him through hell. That's what Dagny did to Galt (and what Galt did to Dagny, repeatedly).

[william.scherk]

It is good that Wolf says 'slurs are silly.' And, well, good-ish that he calls Roger a fraud. And associates Tony with a brick.

Making it easy for you to feel superior. I stand by my remarks as accurate and fair.

Good. Get cracking on that Love Exceptions to Dick-licking mini-essay, then. Or your theory of homosexual love. Or something. It will enrich the OL discourse, leave it brimming with reason.

I have often thought we should listen closely to those who cannot love when we ponder love and its manifestations. OLers are familair with the humane animal-slaughter expert Temple Grandin. She wrote about love -- human love -- in several of her books in an almost wistful voice -- theorized a close empathic bond akin to her feeling for animals and their emotional life, a caring kinship.

She cannot feel exalting joy, but she can feel satisfaction and extrapolate. She cannot feel human love. So interesting to get the autistic perspective, grasping at at what is inchoate in neurotypical people (here I think Bob Kolker could probably teach us about love's manifestations. He trained for it, high-functioning ringer that he is).

Grandin on a kind of selfish love:

“We raise them for us; that means we owe them some respect. nature is cruel but we dont have to be. i wouldnt want to have my guts ripped out by a lion. i'd much rather die in a slaughter house if it were done right.”

Grandin on love's tendency to exception-making:

“Bad things always happen when an animal is overselected for any single trait. Nature will give you a nasty surprise.”

Grandin on Dykedom and Dick-lickers:

You made a decision in adolescence that you would live a celibate life. Why?

When I was in boarding school, they were very concerned about the girls getting pregnant. And I found that if I could be absolutely trusted not to run off with the fellas in the bushes, then I could kind of get some extra privileges, like fly my kite up on the hill or ride my horse down in the pasture without having to have a staff member present. If I could be totally trusted on sex, then I got a lot of extra privileges.

Have you had to fight urges over the years?

Yeah. Now I’m old enough to where that’s all gone, and it’s like, Good riddance.

Edited December 21, 2015 by william.scherk

[Wolf DeVoon]

Good. Get working on that Love Exceptions to Dick-licking mini-essay, then. Or your theory of homosexual love. Or something.

You first.

[Brant Gaede]

Hey Brant, I didn't see or say anything about victimhood. Love is the exception-making. Costs plenty, everything you have, every time. I'm reminded of an old broad in Hollywood who described herself as a housekeeper. She married the guy, divorced him, and kept the house.

It was in the Fountainhead somewhere, I don't want to look it up. Someone says to Dominique that if she ever loved a man, she'd put him through hell. That's what Dagny did to Galt (and what Galt did to Dagny, repeatedly).

Anyway, glad to see you with your mojo back.

--Brant

[Selene]

 

 

It is good that Wolf says 'slurs are silly.'  And, well, good-ish that he calls Roger a fraud. And associates Tony with a brick.

 

Making it easy for you to feel superior. I stand by my remarks as accurate and fair.

 

 

Good. Get working on that Love Exceptions to Dick-licking mini-essay, then.   Or your theory of homosexual love. Or something.

 

 

There you go again Wolf...you hit another one of the "hidden" cultural trip wires...

 

[william.scherk]

It is good that Wolf says 'slurs are silly.' And, well, good-ish that he calls Roger a fraud. And associates Tony with a brick.

Making it easy for you to feel superior. I stand by my remarks as accurate and fair.

Good. Get working on that Love Exceptions to Dick-licking mini-essay, then. Or your theory of homosexual love. Or something.

There you go again Wolf...you hit another one of the "hidden" cultural trip wires..

Yeah, you got it just right, or close enough. Alluding to homosexuals as 'dick-lickers' kinda crosses a line of scrimmage for some 'cultures' ... but not for yours.

I'd guess Wolf has a vaque moral-emotional problem with homosexuals -- or queers, or as he is now happy to name them: "Dick-lickers." He owns that felicitous phrase, which has its first appearance at OL right now. He is unable to expand on or defend the use, and apparently unable to offer a rejoinder other than 'you first.' Feeble at first glance. Craven and evasive at the second.

I imagine when someone calls out Wop, Dago, Mafia, you pass on by. No trip-wire there. I guess it is a matter of whose ox is being gored. If it is Masons getting slurred by Idiot One, trigger. If it is dumb-ass racialists on about the Joo, trigger. If it is Wolf using 'Dykes and Dick-lickers' and expecting applause, well, there you are, clapping along. How Randian.

If Wolf gets due attention for dropping a fresh slur like that, and Adam makes vague allusions to "hidden cultural trip wires," inquiring minds want to know more. Sadly for reason, Adam and Wolf will both clam up on the topic. Guaranteed.

First they came for the dick-lickers. Then they came for the BDSM subculture.

Wolf -- you smugly proclaim, in the context of the leftist-regressive Putinist lap-dancers and Assadist fluffers at Moon of Alabama -- that slurs are silly. And then you trot out 'Dick-lickers.' And then you clam up. That is kind of self-explanatory.

Maybe you are that which you casually-affixed to Roger Bissell (with whom I strongly disagree on seven issues), a fraud. A pansy. A man without the balls to stand up for himself and defend his beliefs. A man who runs from his own words. A man who purports to lecture everyone on love.

Show your readers some respect, if not love, Wolf.

-- I will put in a word for Tony Garland. I might disagree with him nine ways to Sunday, and I do, but I don't dismiss him as a brick to his face here on the porch in front of the audience. I go to bat for anyone facing bigotry, for to me the essence of bigotry is a fixity, a stagnation. Bigotry is obstinate devotion to one's own prejudices and emotion. It is against reason. Its primary avatar on OL is Moralist.

So, there you go. I think you exhibit bigotry, Wolf. To Tony, to Roger, to George, to many. It isn't essentially much different in nature to Greg's exhibiitions except in vocabulary and stabs at erudition. Like him, you poison the well and use beliigerence and insult as a defense to challenge. Like him, you degrade discourse and drag OL to new lows from time to time. If you asked me a year ago if the OL front-porch would clap along with a member's casual slurs and hypocrisies, I'd say unlikely. Would we get a happy-clappy with calling homosexuals 'Dick-lickers'? Oh no, not that low.

Back to Roger for a moment. Agree with him or not, he has made a good-faith effort to enrich Objectivist discourse. He has a Corner at OL. And you spit on him as you spit on George in his corner.

Another with a corner at OL, Stephen Boydstun. He is a dick-licker. One of OL's best. You spit on him and you spit on me. You spit on this place at times, Wolf.

But I tell you what, Wolf. I will never reply to you again. I will put you on the Ignore list. You cheapen my OL experience. I don't want to associate OL with bigoted, lazy-minded egotists and envious losers.

Love is exception-making, indeed. Respect is also exception-making. Once you lose it, it cannot be easily regained.

Edited December 22, 2015 by william.scherk

[Brant Gaede]

If there are no values involved at all, then who needs love? I could just go see a prostitute. Sounds like it would actually cost me less.

You talk as if "values" are universal, no difference between men, women, children, dykes or dicklickers.

I missed this post.

Men lick pussies and women lick dicks. It's called oral sex. Oral sex was endorsed by "Nathaniel Branden Answers Teenagers Questions About Sex" in the 1960s. "Hot dog!" I said. (This means Ayn Rand was a "dicklicker.")

Ayn Rand: "What do I think about homosexuality? I think it's disgusting." I don't know why. A mouth is a mouth. A tongue is a tongue. Sex is sex.

Heterosexuals tend to see homosexual sex in pornographic terms so "it's disgusting." I guess they see heterosexual sex in romantic terms on a big bed in dim light behind gauze curtains suffused with gentle music with no orgasmic sounds from a woman climbing the walls with her guy's face in her cunt.

Get real. Puleeze.

--Brant

[Selene]

For the record:

William's references to the:

1) mafia/Italians, refers to my attacking folks who have characterized that representation of Italians and the using that ethnic group as a synonym for organized crime. I give examples of other organized crime syndicates organizations that were German/Jamaican/Asia/Jewish/Irish, etc to state that that category of organized crime is not restricted to Italians, your basic Venn diagrams;

2) Masons, refers to my attacking folks who have characterized Mason's as controlling the world to snacking on children; and

3) BDSM refers to the community that encompasses Dominant/submissive, bondage, and play relationships which I have been involved with.

A...

[moralist]

Wolf writes:

You talk as if "values" are universal, no difference between men, women, children, dykes or dicklickers.

They are absolutely utterly impersonally irrevocably universal, Wolf.

The only variables are in the myriad ways people choose to violate them!

This is why my one sentence definition is simply...

"Love is doing what's morally right."

...because it governs every human relation.

Greg

[Wolf DeVoon]

"You first" means what it says. The thread topic is love defined in one sentence. Surely, a homosexual should be first to offer a definition of homosexual romantic love. I did not dismiss Tony as a brick. I said that his view of Objectivism was simple and solid. In another thread I cited a crowd source forum. I did not swear allegiance to it or affirm every post ever made there (or every post by every member on OL). If anyone has an emotional problem, Mr. Scherk, I'd say it's you, hysterically quoting me out of context. The line in question started with men, women, and children before I referenced with disdain the 2% of US population that are neither male nor female in the ordinary (and Randian) sense of those terms. Few have done more damage to Objectivism than queers claiming to be latter day savants of Ayn Rand "studies" -- principally Sciabarra and his admirers and enablers.

None of the above is factually controversial. If you want to plug queer romance, go for it. I won't.

[Brant Gaede]

Admirers and enablers of Chris Sciabarra:

Barbara Branden

Nathaniel Branden

Brant Gaede (I sent him money--at Nathaniel's request)

--enabler

alternate universes?

[Wolf DeVoon]

alternate universes?

Apparently.

From a historical perspective, dialectics grasps that any system emerges over time, that it has a past, a present, and a future. Frequently, the dialectical thinker examines the dynamic tensions within a system, the internal conflicts or “contradictions” which require resolution... to alter it fundamentally. -- "Dialectics in Rand's Philosophy" in The Russian Radical

I’m adhering to the old Spanish proverb that says: "Take what you want, and pay for it." I’m taking what I want from Rand’s legacy, and paying for it—by assuming responsibility for my own interpretations and applications. Call me a Randian or a post-Randian or a neo-Objectivist or an advocate of Objectivism 2.0, or even the founder of Sciabarra-ism. But don’t call me an Objectivist... I have never argued that my own innovations on subjects like dialectics or homosexuality are part of Objectivism. -- Free Radical, May 28, 2004

[Wolf DeVoon]

"Love is doing what's morally right."

It's moral to bed Susie instead of Vicki because why? ... Hobson's choice (first horse in the barn)?

[william.scherk]

For the Scherk answer to the Opening Topic poser, see page one. For a Scherk disquisition on the sickness and evul of homosexuality, see varied tangles with the Moral Maoist, or a brief exchange with Darrell Hougan. See also the recent Moral Mao transgender hoopla, in which one contestant exploded in a flurry of santorum.

For homosexual romantic love, see romantic love. For lesbian love, see love. For heterosexual love, see love. See Kinsey or Kama Sutra for the full shocking panoply of no-foul adult human sexual behaviour. For lesbian sex videos, see Wolf's It's Kinda Hawt file. For 'my daughter turned out lesbian, now what?' -- see Wolf's nightmares.

For Wolf DeVoon's explanation of the utility of "Dykes and Dick-Lickers," as a unit of cognition or HBO special series, there will be a long, Godot-long wait on an intellectual off ramp, but no exam. See, perhaps, Westboro Baptist gay marriage manual, under pitchfork procession. For Wolf's sour burpy spit-up on Chris Sciabarra and other dangerously queer wrecking balls of Objectivism, see the bizarre fretful nonsense immediately above, or for more heft see notable Objectivish nitwit Reginald Firehammer, on the top Kook shelf. For Wolf's demonstrated ability to admit error or lapses in good judgment, see the head librarian for the Special Apology Collection downstairs. He's the hairy one over there jangling the keys and mentally fitting you for the electric collar and leg splays. His name is Lorre and he loves ponies and long walks on your face at the beach. He is quite shy and we are all thankful for that.

For Wolf's thoughts on non-gay blowjobs, see Scrooge, Chicken Little, Church Lady.

And once, again, warm secular holiday wishes to all, be you bitter also-ran or happy producer or somewhat in between. If you are a nice, normal person without bizarre anti-gay animus, exceptionally warm wishes to you. Have yourself a Merry little Christmas. Make the Yuletide gay.

If you are Jewish, think of me over the Moo Shoo Pork and garlic shrimp.

[moralist]

Wolf writes:

It's moral to bed Susie instead of Vicki because why?

Because Susie is your wife and Vicki is not.

This is how people so commonly misuse the word love.

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."

Greg

[Selene]

If you are Jewish, think of me over the Moo Shoo Pork and garlic shrimp.

See, it always gets down to dissin our Jewish brothers and sisters...

What does a Jewish wife make for dinner...

A...

[Wolf DeVoon]

For the Scherk answer to the Opening Topic poser, see page one. For a Scherk disquisition on the sickness and evul of homosexuality, see varied tangles with the Moral Maoist, or a brief exchange with Darrell Hougan. See also the recent Moral Mao transgender hoopla, in which one contestant exploded in a flurry of santorum.

For homosexual romantic love, see romantic love. For lesbian love, see love. For heterosexual love, see love. See Kinsey or Kama Sutra for the full shocking panoply of no-foul adult human sexual behaviour. For lesbian sex videos, see Wolf's It's Kinda Hawt file. For 'my daughter turned out lesbian, now what?' -- see Wolf's nightmares.

For Wolf DeVoon's explanation of the utility of "Dykes and Dick-Lickers," as a unit of cognition or HBO special series, there will be a long, Godot-long wait on an intellectual off ramp, but no exam. See, perhaps, Westboro Baptist gay marriage manual, under pitchfork procession. For Wolf's sour burpy spit-up on Chris Sciabarra and other dangerously queer wrecking balls of Objectivism, see the bizarre fretful nonsense immediately above, or for more heft see notable Objectivish nitwit Reginald Firehammer, on the top Kook shelf. For Wolf's demonstrated ability to admit error or lapses in good judgment, see the head librarian for the Special Apology Collection downstairs. He's the hairy one over there jangling the keys and mentally fitting you for the electric collar and leg splays. His name is Lorre and he loves ponies and long walks on your face at the beach. He is quite shy and we are all thankful for that.

For Wolf's thoughts on non-gay blowjobs, see Scrooge, Chicken Little, Church Lady.

I don't get it. What's with all the stand-up comedy?

For homosexual romantic love, see romantic love. That's all, huh? No different. Bullshit.

Per your cue, I went back to Page 1. You truly are full of bullshit, sonny.

[Wolf DeVoon]

Wolf writes:

It's moral to bed Susie instead of Vicki because why?

Because Susie is your wife and Vicki is not.

Greg, wake up! How did you pick Susie instead of Vicki to marry? (again, first horse in the barn or what?)

[moralist]

Adam writes:

What does a Jewish wife make for dinner...

"Reservations."

--Joan Rivers

Greg