Jade Helm 2015 - And this doesn't help

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

Jade Helm 2015 - And this doesn't help

 

This post should be about the Jade Helm mess in Texas, but it's about the mainstream media.

 

How in hell are we to believe in anything they say? They are now outright in-your-face easily-debunked lying about conspiracy theorists.

 

Why?

 

What on earth do they gain by that?

 

Look what Diane Sawyer said about Alex Jones.

 

 

People can mock Alex Jones if they think there is humor in his excesses, but to believe he would schedule to be on a mainstream panel like this and simply play hooky is a stretch. Now, by extension other people (like Montel Williams) are insinuating and/or claiming Jones was too afraid to show up.

 

Afraid of what?

 

The spotlight?

 

Alex Jones?

 

Call him kooky if you like, but afraid?

 

That's so wrong it doesn't even need any thought. Doesn't anyone remember him on Piers Morgan?

 

(Not to mention that Piers Morgan is now bye-bye while Alex Jones is not only not going away, but his audience is growing. I tried to get exact numbers, but on Google, this is not as easy as it seems. Regardless, the general tone from different websites--including ones hostile to Jones--implies that his ratings are massive and they are growing.)

 

Dayaamm!

 

Even people who hate Alex Jones know this is stupid. And lo and behold, it was soon debunked by Alex himself. 

 

Dirty Tricks: ABC Claim of Alex Jones “no Show” Is a Hoax

Network blames its own screw up on radio host

by Paul Joseph Watson

May 10, 2015

Infowars

 

As per the emails and texts Jones presented, this was probably an innocent screw-up. But still, ABC has a production department with plenty of people in it who could have contacted Jones in time for Sawyer to make a correct impression on live TV instead making it appear like Jones did not want to appear.

 

This is now so ugly, the following video appeared on Real Clear Politics:

 

 

And it had to appear side-by-side the ABC video if RCP were to keep it's reputation as objective.

 

What does it say about the mainstream media when they have to stoop to kindergarten-level lying about conspiracy theorists to try to discredit them?

 

Dayaamm!

 

Screw 'em. These are the same people who were talking and yukking it up about the pathetic kooks who thought the USA government was spying on everyone. That is until Snowden came along.

 

Here's the bottom line. You listen to Alex Jones at your own peril because he is quick to take speculations to extreme paranoid accusations. Not always, but often.

 

But it doesn't get any better when you listen to ABC, NBC, CBS and all the rest. They will lie to you in your face over nothing. Not always, but often.

 

And, frankly, I don't know who is worse, the zealot who does not lie but often distorts things, or the manipulator who often does lie.

 

Michael

[william.scherk]

Jade Helm 2015 - And this doesn't help

This post should be about the Jade Helm mess in Texas, but it's about the mainstream media.

For the uninitiated, what is the Jade Helm mess in Texas?

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

William,

Jade Helm is the code name for a military training exercise to start in June (if I am not mistaken). Soldiers are to run simulated military operations on terrain in Texas (and I believe other states) that is similar to what they will find overseas.

Since many people in Texas believe a financial collapse is coming, since they are really antsy after the NSA spying scandal, and since there are a lot of outspoken small-government people (famous and otherwise) who would like it just fine if Texas seceded from Union, they believe these exercises are planned as a dress rehearsal for the time when all hell is going to break loose. In this scenario, the conspiracy theorists are afraid the President (whoever may be in power at the time, but for now Obama) will try to squash any efforts by Texans to impose order locally and will turn Texas into a police state under martial law.

The governor of Texas, Greg Abbott, tried to put the fears to rest and asked for the Texas State Guard to monitor the exercises. Other famous conservative and libertarian politicians have commented on Jade Helm without mocking it or calling the people who believe in this theory nuts.

On the contrary, the fact that this issue is being considered in a serious manner by authorities is driving the left nuts.

Michael

[BaalChatzaf]

My guess is that this all about nothing.....

The Federal Government has already taken over... We have been took over since 1932.....

The only thing missing now are the Black Helicopters

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

For the more left-leaning, here is an explanation from Rachel Maddow (on MSNBC via RCP) from a few days ago. She has great fun mocking the yokels.

Sorry, the video doesn't embed.

Rachel Maddow Discovers "Panicked, Paranoid Conspiracy" In Texas Over Jade Helm: Ted Cruz & Greg Abbott

If I wanted to be catty, I could look at Maddow's tanking ratings and wonder out loud how many people are truly interested in her mocking local yokels when they are also aware of a barrage of proven lies from people she admires and defends--lies about threats like NSA spying on everyone, ISIS, Benghazi, IRS targeting the administration's political opponents, DOJ gun running to Mexican drug lords, Obamacare, drones and so on.

But I won't.

Michael

[william.scherk]

I am trying to figure out just quite why Jones did not appear on the programme. At the infowars site, writer Watson posts text/email message screenshots from two accounts, and gives a sketch of a miscommunication or blunder or something, but this is obviously only a part of sequence, and each screenshot is fully redacted -- so that you have no idea quite which people were communicating with each other nor the fuller context of the text-message threads. These excerpts have the most pointed content:

-- this sounds like radio silence was observed on the Jones side, but not why. "What happened this morning?" We know someone from the programme side was asking these questions.

Earlier, on the preceding day, it looked like arrangements were set in place.

-- so at May 9th, the day before the show, at five pm, it looked set. Who is the person who wrote "he will be ready,' and what does that person say was the fuckup? I don't have immediate access to those answers.

I can separate out from the no-show the posturing and gang-bang done on Jones in reaction to the no-show, and can probably dig up the rest of the he-she said. I will listen to the video featured above although it overheated my computer on first try. The story at Infowars is not informative enough to lay blame for the bad date.

A step away from ABC/Jones and who stood-up who and how come, another puzzle. Try to then figure out where the weirdness began, where the facts of the war games have sorted out. I don't know who got het up first, or if the getting het up about war games was a rumour panic or fun story for the campfire or what. In this age of wall-to-wall 24/7 information gush, it should be relatively easy to see how this flap originated, and how it was propagated. I have had a bone to pick with Jones since he lent himself to the FEMA coffins bullshittery. Not sure if he is ever a reliable source of information, so am skeptical I will find a scandalous or frightening hidden truth about war games from him.

If anyone wants to head me off at the research gate, and sum up their findings, thanks.

Edited May 11, 2015 by william.scherk

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

William,

Actually, the context (from Alex Jones's perspective) is given in the article. Since you posted the images, here are the pertinent paragraphs from the article.

ABC originally set up the appearance at the beginning of the week, inviting to fly Jones in for a studio appearance. Wary that networks had canceled on him before, Jones said he would be happy to do the show live via satellite from Austin, Texas.

ABC agreed but then flip-flopped later in the week by saying they would only be prepared to pre-record the segment. Prepared for the likelihood that ABC would edit his comments, Jones insisted on appearing live.

As the screenshots below show, an ABC producer sent an email at 7:58 AM asking if Jones had got in the car to take him to the studio. Another email was sent at 8:19 AM CST complaining that Jones was not answering the phone or at his apartment in time to be picked up for the broadcast.

To the reader: See the images William posted above, but in reverse order. Continuing:

However, Jones only received the text message (seen below) informing him that the car was outside his residence at 8:48 AM – just 12 minutes before the segment was set to start.



Jones could not have physically made it to the studio in time for the live broadcast, yet ABC is now blaming their screw up on Jones.

Quote from Alex Jones: “From Tuesday to Friday we had been told by ABC that the show would be live via satellite before ABC backed out and tried to make me agree to a taped interview. We were in negotiations and never even heard back from ABC on this issue.

“The next thing I know there’s a car calling me 12 minutes before air time.”

“This is a typical establishment media stunt to rig debates by implying I’m not ready to defend my ideas and information.”

Whether the miscommunication was a mistake or not, to blame Jones for a “no show,” insinuating that he deliberately chose not to appear on the broadcast, is completely inaccurate and dishonest.

So it looks like there was a tug-of-war over taping the interview versus doing it live.

And it looks like some producers (on one side or the other or maybe both) are doing some CYA two-steps.

I'm sure this is not the only information about this episode that will eventually come to light, but, removing the inflated rhetoric, to my ear so far, Jones's version rings true and it was a classic screw-up by staff.

Michael

[moralist]

Alex is smart enough not to appear on tape.

The leftist snakes were just lying in wait to f*** him over with "selective" editing.

Greg

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

I'm kind of confused about something, too. They wanted to fly him to the studio, but sent a car?

Michael

[Selene]

I'm kind of confused about something, too. They wanted to fly him to the studio, but sent a car?

Michael

It was from Slovakia...

A flying car has spectacularly crashed during a test flight by its inventor, likely showing that the idea is unlikely to take off in the near future.

Despite being the dream of many sci-fi fans, flying cars have repeatedly proved more difficult in practice. And the crash — during last week’s test flight in Slovakia — is likely to dampen those dreams even more.

According to eyewitnesses, the plane appeared to have experienced problems and gone into a tailspin before it crashed into the ground. Its pilot used a parachute system built in to the car and made his way out safely.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/aeromobil-flying-car-crashes-during-critical-test-10241487.html

[turkeyfoot]

Andrew Rossi has a program called After Truth: Disinformation and the Cost of Fake News. The first I heard of Jade Helm. He starts there with an interview with a gun shop owner who serves as the local gossiping hole who says with a quip, "I believe none of what I hear and half of what I see." It seemed the folks of that town were skeptical and interested in questions getting answered rather than fearing anything. The "shooter" who drove up from Carolina is seen taken down saying I was checking out the pedophiles and abused children to which the cop can be heard saying, Wha..". The backdrop was Alex Jones' voice at the time. The fear mongering. At one point Alex Jones is filming a piece confronting a CNN reporter and blaming him for his de-platformed accounts. To which Twitter lets him go. The world is better without the nonsense he spouted.

The director, Rossi, has slanted views colored by a stint at NYT, Yale and Hawvewd. The backstory is about the owner at Comic Ping Pong (Pizza Gate) being deeply affected but also came full circle to reopen due to community insistence. Seth Rich's brother weighs in. Also the right questions were asked of the FB founder in an interview in the piece. He says something like, Im deeply offended by someone who insists the Holocaust never happened because Im Jewish. But goes on to say who am I to keep curiosity and questioning from occurring on my platform. Really. Cha Ching! 

All in all a good piece with a slight bias, I think, despite its factual basis.

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

TF,

Long time no see.

On the other end of the "reasonable" spectrum about fake news I sense you are trying for in your post, you might want to look at Hoaxed produced by Mike Cernovich. It's on Amazon Prime or iTunes.

Here's a review by Will Chamberlain:

Film Review: ‘Hoaxed’

From the start of the review:

Quote

Hoaxed is nominally a movie about “fake news,” from the perspective of the new, social-media savvy right.

At its core, though, it’s a movie about framing, and the ways that frames can be used to shape your perception of reality. For producer Mike Cernovich and directors Scooter Downey and Jon Du Toit, “fake news” is just the jumping off point for a broader discussion about – and demonstration of – the power of framing.

Like or hate Cernovich, the movie is good. And the interviews cover topics that go much deeper than the normal caricatures we get in the mainstream.

To go metaphorical, in a gray world, black and white don't exist. In a black and white world, gray doesn't exist. In the real world, black, white and gray exist. And more. There's so much more: a full spectrum of colors.

All anyone needs to do is look and magic happens.

Michael

[turkeyfoot]

I'll check it out, Kemo Sabe. Not the Navajo translation. 

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

35 minutes ago, turkeyfoot said:

I'll check it out, Kemo Sabe. Not the Navajo translation. 

TF,

Reminds me of an old joke.

Why did the Long Ranger kill Tonto in the end?
He discovered that Kemo Sabe meant chickenshit.

Michael

[Brant Gaede]

1 hour ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

TF,

Reminds me of an old joke.

Why did the Long Ranger kill Tonto in the end?
He discovered that Kemo Sabe meant chickenshit.

Michael

The "Long Ranger"?

Oh, the porno film!.

--Brant

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

1 hour ago, Brant Gaede said:

The "Long Ranger"?

Oh, the porno film!.

--Brant

Brant,

LOL...

Oops...

There's no sense even correcting that one. I'm just going to leave it as it is...

LOL...

Michael

[turkeyfoot]

On 3/30/2020 at 8:55 PM, Brant Gaede said:

The "Long Ranger"?

Oh, the porno film!.

--Brant

Good won! heh