Jules Troy Posted February 20, 2014 Share Posted February 20, 2014 Clown/The Violator in the movie Spawn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jts Posted September 9, 2017 Share Posted September 9, 2017 Topic of this thread: Is having a favorite villain ethical? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted September 21, 2017 Share Posted September 21, 2017 I forget the movie with Gene Hackman, but the line his villain speaks went like this: “If you had to let a few people die to save thousands, wouldn’t you have to?” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jts Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 Jake the Snake the philosopher. Give a listen to his last line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 On 2/19/2014 at 10:12 AM, dldelancey said: . I think what Rand recognized is that heroes and villians do share some basic values, but that their implementation of those values is quite different. It brings to mind a saying that a friend of mine often uses in business when he is discussing incompetent, but otherwise talented and intelligent coworkers... "If only he would use his powers for good instead of evil." You nailed it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KorbenDallas Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 To the topic of this thread, in Objectivism something of value supports or maintains life, and of course to obtain values one mustn't sacrifice others to do so. So to value evil is a contradiction, as evil seeks to destroy values. I used to be able to like villains, as a part of me that is kind of outside of myself and appreciate what they do in a non-real context. But the more I study Objectivist philosophy and ethics and apply it to the whole of my life, the integration from life (experience) to art exists and no I cannot value villains anymore. I've studied fiction writing and have wrote some, and my approach to villains is in contradiction to the good. The villains have some unique features, characteristics, qualities, that add to them to make an integrated character. But I don't enjoy writing them, it's hard and difficult for me to wrap my mind around their motivations. If I were to pick a fictional villain that stands out to me, the first that comes to mind is Darth Vader from Star Wars ep4 and 5, I hate to sound cliche about that but that character was really well done in that context. Toohey came to mind next, he's pretty much pure evil without the preference for violence, a true sociopath choosing to destroy the minds of others, and Rand really wrote him well. But I can't value them, what I think they best serve to do is to display evil, what evil is like or can be like, in contradiction to the good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted October 8, 2017 Share Posted October 8, 2017 On 10/31/2012 at 9:58 AM, Samson Corwell said: This came to me one day as I was reading about supervillains. It doesn't seem uncommon for people to have a favorite villain. Would this be something that would be immoral or unethical? In the movie The Accountant, Ben Afleck plays a very interesting and even ethical villain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinReborn Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 I'd say so, there are a few conditions for which.I would like a villain The villain should be confined to fiction S/he should be either: So incompetent that they are humorous or show the idiocy of their cause So tragic that they are almost a hero save for one flaw In a story whose authors morals are so backwards that they should be the hero. They have a redeeming trait which is better than the heroes (in many hollywood movies, Villians are meticulous planners and heroes are impulsive) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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