Penn State

[john42t]

Wondering about European mores was not necessarily to disparage them. You make it sound like boys raping boys in German public schools is commonplace, begging the question if it's rape at all. If a 15 yo boy has sex with a 14 yo girl is it rape? With a boy? Depends.

Then I misunderstood your comment. No, I meant rape. As in, when you are the loser in the classroom and three guys hold you down while another shoves something into you. The motivation in that case isn't sexual gratification but to install a peck order.

I don't think it's commonplace. I think it's fairly frequent. Difficult to guess, but I'd be surprised if it was more rare than once a week somewhere for a country like Germany, the US having worse numbers in urban areas.

You're quite right about "institutionalized crippling of the young in public schooling" but seemingly oblivious to the sheer psychological trauma of rape.

That kind of indignation is highly selective. I never see it applied when kids do it to each other (unfortunate circumstances), nor when it's done to grown men (they can't get traumatized) or even criminals in prison (they deserve it).

But then in those other cases one can't win brownie points by playing the righteous, nor can one by opposing public education.

[Selene]

John:

A twenty year old Texas boy gets arrested for having an ounce of ganja and he is sentenced to the Federal minimum of five (5) years in a federal prison and he is raped in the first month and your conclusion is that "he deserved it?"

That is your position?

Adam

[john42t]

John:

A twenty year old Texas boy gets arrested for having an ounce of ganja and he is sentenced to the Federal minimum of five (5) years in a federal prison and he is raped in the first month and your conclusion is that "he deserved it?"

That is your position?

No, those snippets in brackets are supposed to be the excuses people use to rationalize why rape in those cases isn't something to get excited about.

There used to be an ad over here by the copyright enforcement agencies a couple of years ago that portrayed prison rape as something to laugh about. Nobody took offence. There's pulp fiction. Nobody is offended by that. It's only adult->child and man->women rapes people are offended by.

That's why I don't believe people's motives in those cases. I think the motive is tribal. They want to cry "hang him" and let themselves be cheered by the crowd.

I also think that most people are rather unconscious of their true motives. From their perspective, it "feels right".

I have no idea about the motives in your case and this isn't meant to be a personal attack. In fact I very much appreciate your style of discourse. This is just my sentiment about the average attitude displayed on this thread.

[Jonathan]

When I heard of Paterno's firing, I thought the next logical step would be canceling the game, but with the rioting last night, I think they'll allow the game to be played out of fear of a larger riot.

J

How so? At a cancelled game the Nebraska supporters would not be there, lessening the numbers. And the rational Penn students, if there are any, would not be there. There would be a riot but not larger.

I was thinking that if they cancelled the game, not only would the rioters from the other night riot again, but you might have non-student football fans show up to join them, along with idiot alumni and some of the more childish parents.

J

[Selene]

I have no idea about the motives in your case and this isn't meant to be a personal attack. In fact I very much appreciate your style of discourse. This is just my sentiment about the average attitude displayed on this thread.

Fair enough.

[caroljane]

If I extrapolate my own experiences with public schooling, though harmless in comparison, but take into account that things are probably worse today and that the American situation will be worse than that of Germany, I would expect rapings in public institutions, especially schools, to be fairly frequent. You have consider that in most incidents perpetrators will be other youths..

Indeed? I believe that private boarding schools are league leaders in this particular sport. The British ones are quite famous for it.

[caroljane]

As of now the game is still on. Nobody is brave enough to draw a line. No surprise.

Nothing to say but Go Nebraska, I guess.

[caroljane]

Oh, this is too much.

After retaining an attorney, Paterno is now "totally distraught" about the rape victims he knew about.

Nine years ago he was so distraught that he immediately organized a coverup of the rapes and the enabling of future rapes.

But now he's distraught about the victims.

You're never too old to learn.

[Selene]

Nine years ago he was so distraught that he immediately organized a coverup of the rapes and the enabling of future rapes.

Easy young lady, there is no testimony or evidence that he "organized a coverup."

Let's just say that he did nothing to prevent a coverup.

Adam

[caroljane]

Nine years ago he was so distraught that he immediately organized a coverup of the rapes and the enabling of future rapes.

Easy young lady, there is no testimony or evidence that he "organized a coverup."

Let's just say that he did nothing to prevent a coverup.

Adam

OK, let's just say that as the King of PSU, he allowed a coverup to happen.

[Brant Gaede]

Nine years ago he was so distraught that he immediately organized a coverup of the rapes and the enabling of future rapes.

Easy young lady, there is no testimony or evidence that he "organized a coverup."

Let's just say that he did nothing to prevent a coverup.

Adam

OK, let's just say that as the King of PSU, he allowed a coverup to happen.

It's all going to come out in the wash. Pump-priming isn't necessary.

--Brant

I see seven books over the next ten years

[caroljane]

Nine years ago he was so distraught that he immediately organized a coverup of the rapes and the enabling of future rapes.

Easy young lady, there is no testimony or evidence that he "organized a coverup."

Let's just say that he did nothing to prevent a coverup.

Adam

OK, let's just say that as the King of PSU, he allowed a coverup to happen.

It's all going to come out in the wash. Pump-priming isn't necessary.

--Brant

I see seven books over the next ten years

Movies sooner, I think Adam;s suggestion, "Malum in Se"would be a brilliant title for a docudrama. But since the collaborators would likely be technical advisors, it would likely be called Fourth Down or something.

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

Carol,

Just so you know, in case you didn't, John is German.

English is his second language (I presume).

He appears to be really bitter about several elements in the culture in which he grew up, so this leads him to make some rhetorical excesses. Discovering Ayn Rand was a blinding flash of light in the dark. (That's my opinion for now, anyway.)

Underneath, he's a good person, not a troll. Some of his statements appear that way at times, but from what I have seen as discussions develop, much of that impression is a difference in his manner of expression, not the actual substance.

Michael

[Selene]

I was thinking about sponsoring Angela (xray) and John in a naked cage match with tatooed Rand quotes on their bodies as a pay for view.

[caroljane]

Carol,

Just so you know, in case you didn't, John is German.

English is his second language (I presume).

He appears to be really bitter about several elements in the culture in which he grew up, so this leads him to make some rhetorical excesses. Discovering Ayn Rand was a blinding flash of light in the dark. (That's my opinion for now, anyway.)

Underneath, he's a good person, not a troll. Some of his statements appear that way at times, but from what I have seen as discussions develop, much of that impression is a difference in his manner of expression, not the actual substance.

Michael

Michael,

What you are saying politely is, he's a Randroid,and as for German Adam has beaten me to it. I was going to say I hoped sometime my bff Xray would meet him and pound some sense into his head.

[Mikee]

Carol,

Just so you know, in case you didn't, John is German.

English is his second language (I presume).

He appears to be really bitter about several elements in the culture in which he grew up, so this leads him to make some rhetorical excesses. Discovering Ayn Rand was a blinding flash of light in the dark. (That's my opinion for now, anyway.)

Underneath, he's a good person, not a troll. Some of his statements appear that way at times, but from what I have seen as discussions develop, much of that impression is a difference in his manner of expression, not the actual substance.

Michael

Michael,

What you are saying politely is, he's a Randroid,and as for German Adam has beaten me to it. I was going to say I hoped sometime my bff Xray would meet him and pound some sense into his head.

Typical hockey fan...

[caroljane]

Carol,

Just so you know, in case you didn't, John is German.

English is his second language (I presume).

He appears to be really bitter about several elements in the culture in which he grew up, so this leads him to make some rhetorical excesses. Discovering Ayn Rand was a blinding flash of light in the dark. (That's my opinion for now, anyway.)

Underneath, he's a good person, not a troll. Some of his statements appear that way at times, but from what I have seen as discussions develop, much of that impression is a difference in his manner of expression, not the actual substance.

Michael

Michael,

What you are saying politely is, he's a Randroid,and as for German Adam has beaten me to it. I was going to say I hoped sometime my bff Xray would meet him and pound some sense into his head.

Typical hockey fan...

You have nailed me utterly Mikee. So which do you fancy? Angela and John naked in the cage (graphics by Adam) or Old Testament head pounding (Judith and Holofernes)? I'll be wearing the Jets jersey whoever gets killed.

[Mikee]

As exasperated as Angela makes me sometimes (how can you seriously suggest Objectivism regards having children as immoral) she is quite interesting, and John reminds me of me (a little) about 30 years ago, I don't fancy them in a cage fighting at all. If there were someone I really didn't like I'd put them in a cage with you with your hockey stick in hand. Or perhaps your imagination was driven by more prurient interests (the "naked" in the cage part)? In that case you're forgiven, and carry on please.

[caroljane]

As exasperated as Angela makes me sometimes (how can you seriously suggest Objectivism regards having children as immoral) she is quite interesting, and John reminds me of me (a little) about 30 years ago, I don't fancy them in a cage fighting at all. If there were someone I really didn't like I'd put them in a cage with you with your hockey stick in hand. Or perhaps your imagination was driven by more prurient interests (the "naked" in the cage part)? In that case you're forgiven, and carry on please.

As exasperated as Angela makes me sometimes (how can you seriously suggest Objectivism regards having children as immoral) she is quite interesting, and John reminds me of me (a little) about 30 years ago, I don't fancy them in a cage fighting at all. If there were someone I really didn't like I'd put them in a cage with you with your hockey stick in hand. Or perhaps your imagination was driven by more prurient interests (the "naked" in the cage part)? In that case you're forgiven, and carry on please.

Yes! I will rein in my prurience and concentrate on essential virtues...mmm..hockey sticks..nakedness..various winners of the Lady Byng Trophy...oooohhh...

[Selene]

You have nailed me utterly Mikee. So which do you fancy? Angela and John naked in the cage (graphics by Adam) or Old Testament head pounding (Judith and Holofernes)? I'll be wearing the Jets jersey whoever gets killed.

Whoa! What's this about "nailing?" Ok, where the hell is my shotgun...

[john42t]

Underneath, he's a good person, not a troll. Some of his statements appear that way at times, but from what I have seen as discussions develop, much of that impression is a difference in his manner of expression, not the actual substance.

It's true. Deep down under my bitter Randroid shell I only wish to be loved. :-)

[Brant Gaede]

Nine years ago he was so distraught that he immediately organized a coverup of the rapes and the enabling of future rapes.

Easy young lady, there is no testimony or evidence that he "organized a coverup."

Let's just say that he did nothing to prevent a coverup.

Adam

OK, let's just say that as the King of PSU, he allowed a coverup to happen.

It's all going to come out in the wash. Pump-priming isn't necessary.

--Brant

I see seven books over the next ten years

Movies sooner, I think Adam;s suggestion, "Malum in Se"would be a brilliant title for a docudrama. But since the collaborators would likely be technical advisors, it would likely be called Fourth Down or something.

They won't actually show a man fucking a boy, but that's the way they'll sell it, to its backers and the public alike.

--Brant

more money, more money: the real porn

[Selene]

Yep, fuck em where it will really hurt!

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[caroljane]

Well done Huskers. Good to see all the blue. No riot.

Carol

glad to be wrong

[caroljane]

Carol,

Just so you know, in case you didn't, John is German.

English is his second language (I presume).

Michael

I don't get that impression, his writing is idiomatic and his mistakes are typical of a native speaker...and is Tyson a German name? But Xray's English is also fluent so maybe I am wrong, I believe many Germans are bilingual in English. Do they learn it at the (shudder) public schools? Maybe X can put some clothes on and give us the rundown.