Dennis Hardin Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Brook appears three times in this five minute segment. The name of the documentary was really "Freeloaders"--but it was all about the ugly face of altruism. I kept hoping Stossel or one of his guests would name it, but that's evidently expecting too much--even of FOX News. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jriggenbach Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Brook appears three times in this five minute segment. The name of the documentary was really "Freeloaders"--but it was all about the ugly face of altruism. I kept hoping Stossel or one of his guests would name it, but that's evidently expecting too much--even of FOX News. There could be nothing more important than watching Right Wing television news. It is, after all, ignorant Right Wingers who, with their passionate devotion to individual freedom, will lead us back to the way America used to be.Fervently,JR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Coates Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 (edited) Subject: Watch out for those damn right-wingers> There could be nothing more important than watching Right Wing television news. It is, after all, ignorant Right Wingers who, with their passionate devotion to individual freedom, will lead us back to the way America used to be. Fervently, JR This program starts right off by saying that the biggest freeloaders of all are corporations. Sounds way too Right Wing? It goes on to discuss how businesses are under the heavy hand of regulation and hire lobbyists to deal with it, how buddies of the Obama Administration get handouts, how a big donor to the campaign is getting some of the biggest largesse, how Archer Daniels Midland used to do the same thing in the Bush years.It's really important not to watch "Right Wing television news",right Jeff? Because these things about the corrupt system works are not important to know. And, after all, the Left Wing television news and the mainstream news (ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN) are likely to tell the oh-so well-informed public these things already. Factually,Phil Edited March 27, 2011 by Philip Coates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Stoessel is a right winger?Since when?That's like saying libertarianism is basically Conservative with a capital C.Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jriggenbach Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Stoessel is a right winger?Since when?That's like saying libertarianism is basically Conservative with a capital C.MichaelGee, it would really be encouraging if you guys could read - you know, if Phil could grasp that I haven't endorsed and don't endorse any TV "news" and if you could grasp that Faux "News" is a Right Wing operation. But then, I guess if you could read, you might lose your enthusiasm for a bunch of conservative hacks and maybe even lose your childish belief that they are on "our" side and will fight with us to restore American freedom. And that would be a tragedy, wouldn't it?JR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Jeff,Don't get so wound up.People like you have a place. We all need some ideologues to sit on the sidelines mocking and saying "I told you so" while others do the heavy lifting of turning things around.Your role is crucial and you are appreciated.Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikee Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Jeff,Don't get so wound up.People like you have a place. We all need some ideologues to sit on the sidelines mocking and saying "I told you so" while others do the heavy lifting of turning things around.Your role is crucial and you are appreciated.MichaelBallast seldom needs to be thrown overboard but isn't missed when it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jriggenbach Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Jeff,Don't get so wound up.People like you have a place. We all need some ideologues to sit on the sidelines mocking and saying "I told you so" while others do the heavy lifting of turning things around.Your role is crucial and you are appreciated.MichaelBallast seldom needs to be thrown overboard but isn't missed when it is.Pretentious twits seldom need to be ground under someone's boot heel, but nobody much gives a shit on those occasions when it does happen.JR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikee Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Jeff,Don't get so wound up.People like you have a place. We all need some ideologues to sit on the sidelines mocking and saying "I told you so" while others do the heavy lifting of turning things around.Your role is crucial and you are appreciated.MichaelBallast seldom needs to be thrown overboard but isn't missed when it is.Pretentious twits seldom need to be ground under someone's boot heel, but nobody much gives a shit on those occasions when it does happen.JRDo you always repeat what someone has already said? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Coates Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 (edited) > if Phil could grasp that I haven't endorsed and don't endorse any TV "news"Jeff, a relevant point is always 'compared to what?' since we need -some- sources of news to stay informed. My solution is ingesting from both conservative and liberal sources.Both tend to be biased. Do you know of any unbiased news sources? Please list same.Expectantly and Admiringly,Phil Edited March 27, 2011 by Philip Coates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Hardin Posted March 27, 2011 Author Share Posted March 27, 2011 The brilliant thing about Stossel’s show was how he demonstrated that there was a common thread tying all of the various issues together—panhandlers who play on the guilt of passers-by, often fraudulently; the culture of entitlement that encourages lawsuits enabling thousands of people to get bogus farm subsidies while shyster lawyers rake in the dough; people who default on mortgages without fear of legal repercussions; and a corporate welfare system that actually punishes companies (like Microsoft) who don’t demonstrate their concern for the “public interest” by lobbying for government favors.Stossel brought up the issue of morality during the segment on mortgage defaults. He stated that, unless it was unavoidable, defaulting was immoral because it hurt others. It appears he does not yet grasp that the real immorality derives from the policy of exploiting others rather than living your life productively and independently.The show was pure Objectivism, but without the philosophical resolution: America is being torn apart by an ethical substructure that clashes with its economic system of capitalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Hardin Posted March 27, 2011 Author Share Posted March 27, 2011 TWIMC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Dennis,This stuff is great.When, in the past, has this kind of thing appeared with the present frequency on the mainstream media--anywhere?When you look at this kind of fact, we are actually living in good times. It just doesn't seem like it right now when you look at the other stuff.But the penetration of Objectivist/libertarian ideas into the mainstream like we are now seeing will have excellent results over time.I'm glad I'm around to see it.Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jriggenbach Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 (edited) > if Phil could grasp that I haven't endorsed and don't endorse any TV "news"Jeff, a relevant point is always 'compared to what?' since we need -some- sources of news to stay informed. My solution is ingesting from both conservative and liberal sources.Both tend to be biased.Really? I had no idea that was the case. The impression I get around here is that the conservative sources are wonderful and admirable and committed to individual freedom (hell, they're "pure Objectivism," as I understand it), while the liberal sources are horrible and loathsome and committed to tyranny.JR Edited March 27, 2011 by Jeff Riggenbach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 ... while the liberal sources are horrible and loathsome and committed to tyranny.Jeff,For the record, I don't hold this view.I do hold that part of freedom is being able to disagree.(I want to say "disagree with civility" but I'm kinda gun-shy on that word. )Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jriggenbach Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 ... while the liberal sources are horrible and loathsome and committed to tyranny.Jeff,For the record, I don't hold this view.I do hold that part of freedom is being able to disagree.(I want to say "disagree with civility" but I'm kinda gun-shy on that word. )As well you might. It's no matter, though, since I don't dance. (Tough guys don't dance.)JR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 (edited) TWIMCFolks:I propose as an offering to that great Objectivist God in the Sky [OGS] who rules over us with the pure power of rational and volitional goodness ...that all alphabet phrases be banned during the month of April 2011 in respectful and civil honor of the release of Atlas Shrugged [AS] as a movie.Adam Edited March 27, 2011 by Selene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiaer.ts Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Jeff,Don't get so wound up.People like you have a place. We all need some ideologues to sit on the sidelines mocking and saying "I told you so" while others do the heavy lifting of turning things around.Your role is crucial and you are appreciated.MichaelBallast seldom needs to be thrown overboard but isn't missed when it is.Pretentious twits seldom need to be ground under someone's boot heel, but nobody much gives a shit on those occasions when it does happen.JR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Hardin Posted March 28, 2011 Author Share Posted March 28, 2011 Dennis,This stuff is great.When, in the past, has this kind of thing appeared with the present frequency on the mainstream media--anywhere?When you look at this kind of fact, we are actually living in good times. It just doesn't seem like it right now when you look at the other stuff.But the penetration of Objectivist/libertarian ideas into the mainstream like we are now seeing will have excellent results over time.I'm glad I'm around to see it.MichaelMichael,I agree thoroughly. And while I am not a big fan of Glenn Beck, I definitely think FOX News is a powerful force for good in America today. Shows like this one from Stossel are just part of it. Jonathan Hoenig on ‘Cashin’ In’ is another. And the TEA Party movement would not exist without FOX. I’m beginning to think there are some Ayn Rand admirers among the powers-that-be at FOX. Every time they cut to a tape of a TEA party rally, you see something like this:If the Hannity preview is any indication, they are going to give the Atlas Shrugged movie some much-needed publicity. It will be interesting to see.Some cynics seem to think FOX News is not doing serious journalism. Ridiculous. You can see how hard these news anchors are working to get their TV audience to focus on the story. . . When have we ever seen news (un)coverage like that before? I truly LOVE FOX News! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Backlighting Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 Dennis,This stuff is great.When, in the past, has this kind of thing appeared with the present frequency on the mainstream media--anywhere?When you look at this kind of fact, we are actually living in good times. It just doesn't seem like it right now when you look at the other stuff.But the penetration of Objectivist/libertarian ideas into the mainstream like we are now seeing will have excellent results over time.I'm glad I'm around to see it.MichaelMichael,I agree thoroughly. And while I am not a big fan of Glenn Beck, I definitely think FOX News is a powerful force for good in America today. Shows like this one from Stossel are just part of it. Jonathan Hoenig on ‘Cashin’ In’ is another. And the TEA Party movement would not exist without FOX. I’m beginning to think there are some Ayn Rand admirers among the powers-that-be at FOX. Every time they cut to a tape of a TEA party rally, you see something like this:If the Hannity preview is any indication, they are going to give the Atlas Shrugged movie some much-needed publicity. It will be interesting to see.Some cynics seem to think FOX News is not doing serious journalism. Ridiculous. You can see how hard these news anchors are working to get their TV audience to focus on the story. . . When have we ever seen news (un)coverage like that before? I truly LOVE FOX News!They definitely have some easy-on-the-eye blondes working there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Hardin Posted March 28, 2011 Author Share Posted March 28, 2011 Some cynics seem to think FOX News is not doing serious journalism. Ridiculous. You can see how hard these news anchors are working to get their TV audience to focus on the story. . . When have we ever seen news (un)coverage like that before? I truly LOVE FOX News!They definitely have some easy-on-the-eye blondes working there.I can't resist posting this. . . As someone commented on youtube:·"My goodness... I can practically see their 'family values.' " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Hardin Posted March 28, 2011 Author Share Posted March 28, 2011 Dennis,But the penetration of Objectivist/libertarian ideas into the mainstream like we are now seeing will have excellent results over time.I'm glad I'm around to see it.MichaelMichael,Something I just discovered while reading about FOX News on the web: Rupert Murdoch previously served on the Board of Directors of the libertarian Cato Institute.Small wonder he has a lot of libertarians like Stossel working at FOX. He is one his own self. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jriggenbach Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 Dennis,But the penetration of Objectivist/libertarian ideas into the mainstream like we are now seeing will have excellent results over time.I'm glad I'm around to see it.MichaelMichael,Something I just discovered while reading about FOX News on the web: Rupert Murdoch previously served on the Board of Directors of the libertarian Cato Institute.Small wonder he has a lot of libertarians like Stossel working at FOX. He is one his own self.Oh, yes, Murdoch is directly involved in the hiring and firing of talent on Faux "News." Just as William Randolph Hearst used to be directly involved in the hiring and firing of writers on his newspapers and magazines in the 1930s and before. It's amazing how much Dennis knows about how the world of journalism works on a day by day basis. His understanding of this stuff almost rivals his understanding of exactly how films are made. Astonishing! Humbling!In any case, Murdoch's time on the Cato Board was fairly short. He is not now and never has been a libertarian. He thought Cato might be useful in promoting certain specific policy goals he had, and Cato invited him to sit on the board after he gave them some money, in hopes of impressing people who are easily impressed.JR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Hardin Posted March 29, 2011 Author Share Posted March 29, 2011 Graham Beckel was on Hannity again Monday night. FOX News continues to plug the film. Coincidence? I don't think so. Monday: Atlas Shrugged Star Graham Beckel on the Controversy Surrounding the Film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jriggenbach Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 Graham Beckel was on Hannity again Monday night. FOX News continues to plug the film. Coincidence? I don't think so. Monday: Atlas Shrugged Star Graham Beckel on the Controversy Surrounding the FilmFaux "News" = Pure ObjectivismJR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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