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I have in no way convinced myself on this issue, but I refuse to let others do my thinking for me so I will start this thread on immigration. Barbara Brandens funeral may have made a lot of us do some introspecting. I wonder about who showed up and who did not. Did her cousin Leonard Peikoff ever discuss her death? Ed Hudgins, the director of advocacy for The Atlas Society wrote on Objectivist Living: . . . . the choice of most immigrants to come here illegally was morally right and should be applauded. In most cases, poor Latinos face two choices: 1) Stay in their own countries, wallowing in poverty, watching their families suffer, with little opportunity for prosperous, happy lives; or 2) Seek the best life possible for themselves and their loved ones by entering the United States illegally . . . . Sneaking across the border breaks an American law. But illegals dont limit the liberty of others when they come here to offer their labor with willing employers . . . . in the same circumstances as most illegals, most Republicans and conservatives would do exactly the same thing! In the spirit of America, theyd say, To hell with idiot America lawmakers and paper-pushers. Im coming here to make money! Yes, welfare state transfers muddy the issue. Yes, theres a lot to sort out concerning those who have been here for decades. But Republicans and conservatives should get beyond denouncing amnesty and seek ways to welcome those who want to come here and stay in this country that was, after all, founded by immigrants. end quote Hurrah Ed! Well said. Youre darn right I would sneak across the border to better my life. I sneak across the border into neighboring Delaware to avoid paying the Maryland sales tax. If a person works here and obeys the laws then their self improvement is a noble cause. I seem to remember Ayn Rand had relatives in America who sponsored her. Yet, I view the idea of no restrictions on immigration or an Objectivist Government, and the abolition of taxation as Platonic ideals. They could be a reality . . . someday . . . when Government and the State wither away, when the world is at peace, when all humans respect individual rights and when Atlantis (or Eden) is once again found on earth. But not today.