"Creating time" is a contradiction. And I thought you were big on logic. But if a greater thing such as God does not need a designer, then why not a less complex thing? By reverting back to God, you just prove Smith's point about how appealing to complexity and God's complexity gets you nowhere. WHAT JESUS CHRIST SAYS ABOUT HELL! "fire" Matt 7:19, 13:40, 25:41 "everlasting fire" Matt 18:8, 25:41 "eternal damnation" Mark 3:29 "hell fire" Matt 5:22, 18:9, Mark 9:47 "damnation" Matt 23:14, Mark 12:40, Luke 20:47 "damnation of hell" Matt 23:33 "resurrection of damnation" John 5:29 "furnace of fire" Matt 13:42, 50 "the fire that never shall be quenched" Mark 9:43, 45 "the fire is not quenched" Mark 9:44, 46, 48 "Where their worm dieth not" Mark 9:44, 46, 48 "wailing and gnashing of teeth" Matt 13:42, 50 "weeping and gnashing of teeth" Matt 8:12, 22:13, 25:30 "torments" Luke 16:23 "tormented in this flame" Luke 16:24 "place of torment" Luke 16:28 "outer darkness" Matt 8:12, 22:13 "everlasting punishment" Matt 25:46 It must be hard to try to live knowing that your belief in a metaphorical fire is wrong. So you do admit it? Cool. Would an all good God allow a 28 year old woman and her two kids to die in a fire just because they forgot to extinguish a candle before going to bed? This happened in my city a couple years ago. So now you can hurt God? I thought he was omnipotent? I don't have enough faith to be a theist in light of your "refutations" of Smith.