caroljane

And Marc better stop walking around and scaring people!

6 minutes ago, ThatGuy said:

This doesn't deserve a response, and has nothing to do with the original post. And it certainly doesn't make a counter-point; if anything, it proves her point.  If Rand could be wrong, and we don't treat her as omniscient, so can scientists, and they should not be treated as omniscient either, despite their desire to be treated as such...(especially when they're on the side of those who would use "science" to instill a dictatorship.



 

Faulty logic, and specious to boot. Anyone can be wrong, of course. But one non-scientist being wrong ( nearly lethally wrong in her case) about an important scientifically- proved health issue, does not equate with the entire scientific community going into fits of conspiracy for no discernible reason. Come on. How many scientists do you actually know? Most abandon hope of omniscience at the entrance to Academic training hell.

Btw , I wonder how many Rand followers quit the weed when she did? Quite a lot I would think.

2 minutes ago, ThatGuy said:

Branden, Barbara. The Passion of Ayn Rand . Author & Company. Kindle Edition.

 

I do remember that occurrence, and that she did quit right away, but what I don't remember are any statements reversing her previous public denials of the cancer/smoking proofs. She was also persuaded to get social security health benefits, although she vehemently opposed this . Sensibly she put her own wellbeing before her previously avowed principles.

2 minutes ago, ThatGuy said:

You certainly could be...

....And so could She, as we have seen.

Cannot agree. It looks like lame  cherry- picking from a person who could only endorse scientific conclusions she had philosophically approved of. Tobacco studies, anyone? I don't recall her ever admitting her own lung cancer came from smoking, although I could be wrong here.

18 hours ago, Jules Troy said:

Can we have a covid variant that only kills Democrats, Karens and snowflakes pulleeezzzze? Lol

But we do! It's Marvel Alt-right Media SuperHeroesTM!!  

..leaping tall towers of logic with a single bound, and slaying those enemies above, plus many more who haven't been identified yet, stay tuned for more amazing adventures!!

5 hours ago, Marc said:

 

5 hours ago, Marc said:

Speaking of Chinese food, I went for some great Chinese food at the food court at the Eaton Centre yesterday, downtown Toronto, which I'm sure my beautiful friend Carol is very familiar with.

So, wearing the mask as I entered the building like a good compliant communist Ontarian, I made my way to lunch.

Lo and behold, I passed Red Lobster where all the folks sitting were maskless and I saw one patron put on the mask while walking to the bathroom.

At the food court, most were maskless enjoying their lunches.

When folks left the foodcourt, they put on their masks as they crossed an imaginary  barrier out of the food court.

Then I noticed an actual maskless woman eating popcorn outside the store Champs, yet when she stopped eating the popcorn ( inbetween kernels) the mask went on.

This reminds me of the " magic bullet" re JFK, this is one smart virus that WILL NOT attack people if eating lunch or popcorn.

As our tremendous Premiere Ford stated in his campaign to win the Province, Ontario, " open for business", I think not.

I am so homesick for Yonge St and my neighbourhood Chinese barbecue duck best in world for five bucks! Some things are just more important than political philosophy, you know it's true.

4 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Daily travails of the writer's life. 

Finding just the right word:

Michael

That I must s not a joke about writing, it is a page from my advanced ESL course, literally! And when I say literally, you know what I don't mean....

On 7/22/2021 at 10:02 PM, Marc said:

40 years!!!!!!!!

Wow!!!!!

They were kind of wow, actually. As a livable city I can't imagine any better. Wish I could have met you for a beer at the Brunswick Tavern and set you straight on political philosophy, when I had more of my wits about me.

2 hours ago, Jules Troy said:

We Canadians also invented basketball, insulin, pablum, penicillin(sort of, Fleming was Scottish but discovered/produced it in Canada.) and open heart surgery.

Footnote on the basketball, the first basketball court is arguably right here in  little and ole St Stephen. Unarguably the. Chocolate bar was invented here by the Ganongs. I do not count the historical revisions of Big Chocolate in the US as  credible.

Just saying.

11 hours ago, Marc said:

I never read past the headlines because I follow the lead of my fellow Ontarian, you! 

Anything with the word "election", "voting" or "Trump" does mean exactly that, that Trump is The President and that he won in 2020.

Let's see what Trump has won since November 3 2020, when he won each and every of the 50 States.

The Senate and the House.

Since then, what has he won, you may ask, my charming fellow Canadian?

Well he brought down the deep state, is about to be " back" in the Whitehouse, and basically won World War 3.

You call me infatuated? 

I am hard core in love with my President!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Long love the King

Best news of all Christmas Carol, the bigger wins are coming!!!!!!!!

Ok, I bow to the Power of Love. Let me not to the marriage of true minds admit impediment.

Incidentally, Tho I was a fellow Ontario for 40 or so years, I,m not Native one as my sons are. I grew up here in NB until university and moved back three years ago ..just before Covid. Man was I lucky. I love Toronto passionately but living alone as I did throughout the  pandemic, I shudder to think.

Vive l'Acadie!

11 hours ago, Marc said:

Oh and btw Ms.Carol, checkout that boxing club in Etobicoke that refuses to allow any vaccinated folks join the club.

Wonder what Premiere Ford is gonna do, if anything?

I guess he'll just have to fight out in the alley in the great Ford tradition!Sneerk, sneerk.

4 hours ago, Marc said:

Alberta is the Texas of Canada, no masks and opening up!!!!!!

Merci beaucoup

1 hour ago, Marc said:

Trump piles on another win! 

 

Marc, do you ever read beyond th headlines?  "Voting system" does not mean "election results".  "Probably have to get new voting machines" does not mean  "have declared Trump the president." And Trump has not piled up any wins since 2016, which will get him back to power,,except in your infatuated eyes.

1 hour ago, Marc said:

 

Oh, only for 43 Years, Until I moved here in 2018.

Clearly you have never read my posts in the ten years I have been an OLer. I'm hurt.

1 hour ago, Marc said:

So if you know all this then how can you be against our great leader, President Trump?

That is a non sequitur, m'sieur.

PS To Marc

You think Doug Ford is a communist??

3 minutes ago, Marc said:

No need to apologize Carol!

Your dad knew better than anyone what he fought for.

He fought for the right of free elections, freedom of speech, and freedom.

In Ontario, we embrace the communism that your dad fought against, while in Cuba they fight for freedom, just like your dad did!

My fathers father survived Auschwitz for 14 months and was liberated by the great American soldiers, yet today, we wear masks (yellow stars) cannot step outside ( Warsaw ghetto ) and our businesses were destroyed, and hyper inflation is here.

 

Marc, for heavens sake, you of all people should know that the Allies were fighting fascism, Naziism. The Nazis were rabidly anti- communists, and the Soviet Union was on our side!

Yes, the soldiers were fighting tyranny and totalitarianism, and I hope that is what you really meant to say. Certainly Communist Russia was brutally tyrannical, but war makes strange bedfellows at times.

Of course my dad knew best what he was fighting for,  and It was not the noble cause of individual liberty, but to keep Canada from becoming a German colony run on deranged racial theories and genocide. Like most vets he never talked about the war at home. But when the war ended, he got out as soon as he could and waived his right to an increased pension if he stayed in the army another two months. One of the first things he did was burn his uniform.

He appreciated liberty, all right.

Like the fear of living in real equality with others who are unlike oneself...Whether it comes or not?

My money's on Not, the way thIngs are going. And when you walk through the Valley of Evil, you ought to fear it.

3 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Carol.

As the saying goes, when you are in a hole, stop digging. That's not the way to get out of the hole.

Michael

Just trying to make a proper identification with my rusty O-skills in the murky fields of modern Randian thought.

If that effort or the fields are holey, so be it.

Sorry Marc, but my father gave his youth from  17 to 21 to WWII,  and he did not fight for a Canada ruled by Trumpian retrogression.  It sounded to me as if you wish the Allied generals had been Axis false flag gets.

1 hour ago, Marc said:

If this was the second world war and not the third world war, this would be like watching D Day live with cameras on the beach at Normandy.

No, it wouldn't.

LOOK UP THE GUIDELINES FOR ANALOGIES.

( that goes for everybody!,)

You feel strongly that is how watching day live would feel when watching this, which is a true valid personal observation But  just leave it at that.

Trump has never led his troops personally , either in person or online, without disclaiming he was leading them into failed battles, either on Jan. 6 or at any other time.  If Dday had failed Eisenhower would have shouldered the blame,and so would Truman have let that fatal buck stop with him.

16 hours ago, tmj said:

How does a six foot linear distance work in when considering the total volume of cubic ‘outside’?

If you are interacting with a sick/contagious/shedding virus particles person the physics involved in you inhaling enough of a viral load to induce infection is very tightly correlated with the amount of circulation and volume of your ‘shared air’.

I assume virus particles disperse and diffuse in the ambient ‘airspace’ of an exhale rather rapidly.

Most infection occurs when infected people interact with others in a closed space for an extended time.

Like if you live with someone , but that can be mitigated by a six foot rule inside the house and or opening the windows.

Ever see historic photos from say 1918 ?, lots of outdoor hospital wards . 

Ironically the ‘big name box stores’ were the safest places to interact , they normally have more cubic volume per square foot and active air circulators.

Cloth mask/face diapers have little if any protective efficacy. N95 and higher rated filtration used religiously and properly may have conferred some added protection , but even would be negligible compared to the cubic area/circulation factors.

I will give you fear is a powerful thing , mostly from the unknown which if not a good foundation for response, is a fairly safe default ?

Seems like evolution took well advantage , we all still have it as a default . I was scrubbing the crap out of hands for at least a week.

The Chine Death Plague sucks , but what we did with it might be worse , you know ? It made us real dumber , well it showed how dumb we can get after we start listening to and believing it right to listen to the ‘screens’. (not the kind that allow for fresh air anyway)

You baffle me with science. I don't know who originated that quote because it is now a cliche, 

You ask if I have seen photos of 1918 hospital tents.  Better than that I have one! Somewhere. (My mother ever three anyone away.)I certainly saw it, it is of my grandfather standing outside one, which he said he was the only survivor of andhis tentmates all died of influenza.  We all assumed he was being deadpan as usual about his exaggerations and, interesting stories.  But he certainly was in the American army in WWII as his uniform attests. I have his French English dictionary here, issued to soldiers in  1917 by the American govt,.Lots of useful phrases like, Are you sick? I do not want to get sick. Interesting.

On 7/12/2021 at 9:38 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Incidentally, one of Robert's best observations for me was that, for him, the gold standard of how to prosecute court cases on the anti-authoritarian side were being done by James O'Keefe. He's not lost a case. And.....

I am the kind of person who inferred from this observation that Robert, a lawyer, and legal analyst,was admiring a professional peer for his prosecutorial skills.

Also the kind who has heard and read lawyers refer or to winning their cases,or occasionally losing them, and never once recall them saying, "my client won the case", ,though occasionally they blame the client for losing it, though not as often as the jury, the judge or the Deep State, or the stupidIty of the law itself.  

Anyway, as it is established ,that he is not a prosecutor or  defence lawyer, 1guess  he makes his living as a professional plaintiff , and  does not claim his right to be his own pro se.

55 minutes ago, tmj said:

How does a six foot linear distance work in when considering the total volume of cubic ‘outside’?

If you are interacting with a sick/contagious/shedding virus particles person the physics involved in you inhaling enough of a viral load to induce infection is very tightly correlated with the amount of circulation and volume of your ‘shared air’.

I assume virus particles disperse and diffuse in the ambient ‘airspace’ of an exhale rather rapidly.

Most infection occurs when infected people interact with others in a closed space for an extended time.

Like if you live with someone , but that can be mitigated by a six foot rule inside the house and or opening the windows.

Ever see historic photos from say 1918 ?, lots of outdoor hospital wards . 

Ironically the ‘big name box stores’ were the safest places to interact , they normally have more cubic volume per square foot and active air circulators.

Cloth mask/face diapers have little if any protective efficacy. N95 and higher rated filtration used religiously and properly may have conferred some added protection , but even would be negligible compared to the cubic area/circulation factors.

I will give you fear is a powerful thing , mostly from the unknown which if not a good foundation for response, is a fairly safe default ?

Seems like evolution took well advantage , we all still have it as a default . I was scrubbing the crap out of hands for at least a week.

The Chine Death Plague sucks , but what we did with it might be worse , you know ? It made us real dumber , well it showed how dumb we can get after we start listening to and believing it right to listen to the ‘screens’. (not the kind that allow for fresh air anyway)

Right about efficacy .for protecting oneself, but for inhibiting one,s own secretions from infecting others,it is rather better.

Sorry, it's just the Canadian Way. Also, I miswrote 6 metres instead of six feet, also the CW. Anyway, recently sanitized hands across the border to you. I have to say I have never been the beneficiary of so much free soap in my life as in the last two years. It's almost worth living to be 113 for.