T.A.Banno

Adarsha -

You seem to write long posts quickly (with lots of cut and paste from earlier ones, of course. I would suggest purchasing and reading the book "Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal." This book contains articles by Ayn rand, Nathaniel Branden, Alan Greenspan and Robert Hessen. I think you would find it extremely helpful. I would most particularly suggest the essays "What is Capitalism" by Rand and "Common Fallacies About Capitalism" by Branden, among the many splendid essays in that volume.

I would also suggest the essay "The Ethics of Objectivism," by Ayn Rand. It is available in the book "The Virtue of Selfishness."

After you read these, it will be easier for you to attempt to speak about your ideas as they relate to the primary subject of Objectivism Online, and for us to respond without writing extremely long posts.

Alfonso

Dear Alfonso

I am ccing you a note sent to Michael:

I am an occasional visitor/reader of this excellent outpost of objectivism. I couldn’t resist writing you a note regarding the interventions of a member signing as Adarsha, a well known “troll” among the Argentinean forums. I have attached two notes I sent to another group, you will find them self explanatory.

I hope this individual can be stopped in time before he makes a circus out of this respectable site.

My best regards,

T.A.Banno

Aqui.tabano@yahoo.com.ar

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T.A.Banno

Joined: 25 Jul 2007

Posts: 2

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:27 am

Mr. Adarsha, the proponent of the so called “The Attitude Project”--which Torwan had the patience to explore and expose in its deficiencies—is an Argentinean character well known around the politics/economic forums of that country, where during the last 3 years he has been banned, ignored, or tolerated.

Most notably among the institutional forums he was forced out is Fundación Atlas1853, associated with Atlas Economic Research Foundation, Cato Institute, Friedrich Naumann Stiftung (FNST), Heritage Foundation, and The Foundation for Economic Education (FEE) among others.

His “project” is purposely unintelligible because the ultimate objective is to set up a private/independent/unmonitored “executive-administrative unit” charged with the collection and administration of corporate income taxes, and its distribution to salaried employees. This “executive-administrative unit” where he will be the self-appointed CEO/President, will operate for a fee equal to 1% of all due income taxes.

If this sounds a bit bizarre to you, here is another kicker: To finance the advertising and promotion of his scheme, Mr. Adarsha, posing alternatively as Engineer, Economic Engineer, Economist, Sanskrit Translator, Human Map Researcher, and disciple of B. Solari Parravicini—sort of Argentinean Nostradamus—has been offering for sale a “Lifetime Pension Certificate” in the amount of $1,000.-USA monthly, at 10% of its nominal value (you invest 100 dollars and you are eligible to collect 1,000 for life, starting at the implementation of his program!). Holders of such a “Certificate” will also be life-time members of the “executive-administrative unit”. These are no ordinary certificates; they carry unintelligible signatures, no names—either of persons or institutions--, and no addresses, being completely illegal and unlawful in that country. (Samples of this remarkable document can be obtained just by the asking at my email address)

As those who read the interchange between Torwan and Adarsha (actual name is Nestor Gonzalez Loza) may have noticed, he is impervious to reasoning, sound economic principles, o simple common sense. And in fact, he has no real interest in discussing the political or economic issues of our time, but rather to harvest any hint of support or encouragement from this organization so he can convert it and use it as an endorsement of his scheme and defraud his countrymen.

Néstor,

I agree with this, of course. I don't know if you are aware of it, but I lived in Brazil for 32 years (São Paulo).

You plan sounds very good until I get to the "finish political manipulation" part. South America in general has a huge problem with large tracts of land inherited from colonial times. I am not in favor of forcing owners to sell them or anything like that, but neither should these people enjoy favoritism laws (and they almost all do). The political manipulations I have witnessed usually involve a manipulator benefiting from unearned (or non-productive) privileges guaranteed by laws. Without such legal privileges, the non-productive people would end up selling their land to productive people.

In addressing the implementation of a philosophy of production, this is a serious problem that needs to be covered since the starting point for everyone is so unequal, not based on merit, and enforced by law.

Michael

Dear Michael,

I am an occasional visitor/reader of this excellent outpost of objectivism. I couldn’t resist writing you a note regarding the interventions of a member signing as Adarsha, a well known “troll” among the Argentinean forums. I have attached a note I sent to another group, you will find it self explanatory.

I hope this individual can be stopped in time before he makes a circus out of this respectable site.

My best regards,

T.A.Banno

Aqui.tabano@yahoo.com.ar

……………………………………………………………………..

T.A.Banno

Joined: 25 Jul 2007

Posts: 2

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:23 am

Dear Torwan

Please allow me to participate in this discussion.

Mr. Adarsha, the proponent of the so called “The Attitude Project”--which you had the patience to explore and expose in its deficiencies—is an Argentinean character well known around the politics/economic forums of that country, where during the last 3 years he has been banned, ignored, or tolerated.

Most notably among the institutional forums he was forced out is Fundación Atlas1853, associated with Atlas Economic Research Foundation, Cato Institute, Friedrich Naumann Stiftung (FNST), Heritage Foundation, and The Foundation for Economic Education (FEE) among others.

His “project” is purposely unintelligible because the ultimate objective is to set up a private/independent/unmonitored “executive-administrative unit” charged with the collection and administration of corporate income taxes, and its distribution to salaried employees. This “executive-administrative unit” where he will be the self-appointed CEO/President, will operate for a fee equal to 1% of all due income taxes.

If this sounds a bit bizarre to you, here is another kicker: To finance the advertising and promotion of his scheme, Mr. Adarsha, posing alternatively as Engineer, Economic Engineer, Economist, Sanskrit Translator, Human Map Researcher, and disciple of B. Solari Parravicini—sort of Argentinean Nostradamus—has been offering for sale a “Lifetime Pension Certificate” for $1,000.-USA monthly, at 10% of its nominal value (you invest 100 dollars and you are eligible to collect 1,000 for life, starting at the implementation of his program!). Holders of such a “Certificate” will also be life-time members of the “executive-administrative unit”. These are no ordinary certificates; they carry unintelligible signatures, no names—either of persons or institutions--, and no addresses, being completely illegal and unlawful in that country. (Samples of this remarkable document can be obtained just by the asking at my email address)

As you may have noticed, Mr. Adarsha (actual name is Nestor Gonzalez Loza) is impervious to reasoning, sound economic principles, o simple common sense. And in fact, he has no real interest in discussing the political or economic issues of our time, but rather to harvest any hint of support or encouragement from this organization so he can convert it and use it as an endorsement of his scheme and defraud his countrymen.