dennislmay Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/08/130828103446.htmOr should I say many models beat General Relativity plus Dark Matter.MOND is the one doing a better job of prediction in this particular case.Of course I still support my 2-component model of gravity as thefoundation for the physics behind why MOND works.Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Does MOND predict the "gravitational red shift", the basis of the GPS timing adjustment?A reference to a peer reviewed (or refereed journal) would be appreciated.Also any details on experiments which corroborate an MOND red-shift.Ba'a Chatzzaf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennislmay Posted August 30, 2013 Author Share Posted August 30, 2013 Does MOND predict the "gravitational red shift", the basis of the GPS timing adjustment?A reference to a peer reviewed (or refereed journal) would be appreciated.Also any details on experiments which corroborate an MOND red-shift.Ba'a ChatzzafThe paper being discussed:http://arxiv.org/pdf/1308.5894.pdfAs you know MOND is a curve fitting exercise which is not at all involvedin the red-shift adjustments to GPS.The curve fitting exercise [as well as at least 4 other theories] can predictvelocity rotational curves in galaxies - General Relativity plus Dark Matterdoes not correctly make such predictions - not even close. General Relativityas such is a failed gravitational theory in the general sense - though it canbe applied to get good numbers in the local area - such as GPS.As a failed theory General Relativity continues on as a legacy theory untilit will eventually be replaced - that process is underway. McGaugh is a leaderin providing observational evidence and alternative modeling showing whyGeneral Relativity is a failed theory. He does not claim to have a finalreplacement theory.Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PDS Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Dark matter has never steered me wrong. Signed, Neil Armstrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaalChatzaf Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Does MOND predict the "gravitational red shift", the basis of the GPS timing adjustment?A reference to a peer reviewed (or refereed journal) would be appreciated.Also any details on experiments which corroborate an MOND red-shift.Ba'a ChatzzafThe paper being discussed:http://arxiv.org/pdf/1308.5894.pdfAs you know MOND is a curve fitting exercise which is not at all involvedin the red-shift adjustments to GPS.The curve fitting exercise [as well as at least 4 other theories] can predictvelocity rotational curves in galaxies - General Relativity plus Dark Matterdoes not correctly make such predictions - not even close. General Relativityas such is a failed gravitational theory in the general sense - though it canbe applied to get good numbers in the local area - such as GPS.As a failed theory General Relativity continues on as a legacy theory untilit will eventually be replaced - that process is underway. McGaugh is a leaderin providing observational evidence and alternative modeling showing whyGeneral Relativity is a failed theory. He does not claim to have a finalreplacement theory.DennisI expect every theory we know and love will either be discarded or substantially modified.Ba'al Chatzaf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennislmay Posted August 30, 2013 Author Share Posted August 30, 2013 Does MOND predict the "gravitational red shift", the basis of the GPS timing adjustment?A reference to a peer reviewed (or refereed journal) would be appreciated.Also any details on experiments which corroborate an MOND red-shift.Ba'a ChatzzafThe paper being discussed:http://arxiv.org/pdf/1308.5894.pdfAs you know MOND is a curve fitting exercise which is not at all involvedin the red-shift adjustments to GPS.The curve fitting exercise [as well as at least 4 other theories] can predictvelocity rotational curves in galaxies - General Relativity plus Dark Matterdoes not correctly make such predictions - not even close. General Relativityas such is a failed gravitational theory in the general sense - though it canbe applied to get good numbers in the local area - such as GPS.As a failed theory General Relativity continues on as a legacy theory untilit will eventually be replaced - that process is underway. McGaugh is a leaderin providing observational evidence and alternative modeling showing whyGeneral Relativity is a failed theory. He does not claim to have a finalreplacement theory.DennisI expect every theory we know and love will either be discarded or substantially modified.Ba'al Chatzaf In regards to cosmology, QM and gravity - I agree.Dennis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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