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Congresswoman Giffords Shot in Tucson

Condition of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Remains Unclear

By J. DAVID GOODMAN 4 minutes ago

The Democratic congresswoman from Arizona was shot along with several others at a public event at a grocery store, according to her spokesman. The Tucson Citizen reported that Ms. Giffords had been shot at close range in the head.

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Joshua Lott for The New York Times

Representative Giffords at an event in October.

SHE IS DEAD ***** Conflicting reports, she may be alive and in surgery.

Multiple shots fired at Oracle and Ina Saturday morning Posted: Jan 08, 2011 1:31 PM EST Saturday, January 8, 2011 1:31 PM EST Updated: Jan 08, 2011 1:32 PM EST Saturday, January 8, 2011 1:32 PM EST Web producer: Sheryl Kornman

TUCSON (KGUN9-TV) - KGUN9's Jessica Chapin is on the scene at Ina and Oracle roads where three medical helicopters are landing to evacuate shooting victims to local hospitals.

A mass shooting took place Saturday morning at an event hosted by Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords.

At least 12 people were wounded and Giffords was one of them. The shooter is in custody, according a law enforcement spokesman.

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Congresswoman Giffords Shot in Tucson

Condition of Rep. Gabrielle Giffords Remains Unclear

By J. DAVID GOODMAN 4 minutes ago

The Democratic congresswoman from Arizona was shot along with several others at a public event at a grocery store, according to her spokesman. The Tucson Citizen reported that Ms. Giffords had been shot at close range in the head.

09giffords-span-hpMedium.jpg This is dreadful. I know you do not consider this extremism in the defense of virtue-- but think about those guns, please! It's too weird that we were just discussing guns on another thread, though not surprising, since people are always getting shot because the guns are there. When you build it, they will come.

Joshua Lott for The New York Times

Representative Giffords at an event in October.

SHE IS DEAD ***** Conflicting reports, she may be alive and in surgery.

Multiple shots fired at Oracle and Ina Saturday morning Posted: Jan 08, 2011 1:31 PM EST Saturday, January 8, 2011 1:31 PM EST Updated: Jan 08, 2011 1:32 PM EST Saturday, January 8, 2011 1:32 PM EST Web producer: Sheryl Kornman

TUCSON (KGUN9-TV) - KGUN9's Jessica Chapin is on the scene at Ina and Oracle roads where three medical helicopters are landing to evacuate shooting victims to local hospitals.

A mass shooting took place Saturday morning at an event hosted by Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords.

At least 12 people were wounded and Giffords was one of them. The shooter is in custody, according a law enforcement spokesman.

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If she was still alive, I don't think the hospital would be having a press conference in three minutes.

I know this store and area in Tucson. I lived in the area for six years.

Because the Republicans now control the House, there couldn't be any political advantage in killing her, but that assumes a modicum of rationality as a motivator.

She's not my Congresswoman, but is next door, so to say.

--Brant

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Sorry again, in my shock I put my reply in the wrong place and unwittingly impersonated the NYT writer. Don't know how to move the text though.

Carol:

No problem.

If someone rammed the Congressman with car loaded with C4, should we blame the car?

If, we had open carry, as the second amendment of the US Constitution guarantees, and the recent Heller decision confirmed, that gunman might not have gotten the third or fourth shot of the fifteen that were allegedly fired and there might be eight people who were not shot.

I would direct you to a serious and definitive book by John Lott. I read the original edition, apparently, according to his website which I had never seen, thank you Carol, this is a third edition.

http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/493636.html

Wow - what an excellent website he has...http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/

Adam

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Thanks Brant:

Apparently, the Congresswoman has been responding to "Drs. commands." Very hopeful sign.

A Federal Judge, Bush appointee, John Roll was wounded. Nineteen shot.

She had a tea party opponent in a very contentious and close election in the 8th C.D.

Here we go.

Adam

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Sorry again, in my shock I put my reply in the wrong place and unwittingly impersonated the NYT writer. Don't know how to move the text though.

Carol:

No problem.

If someone rammed the Congressman with car loaded with C4, should we blame the car?

If, we had open carry, as the second amendment of the US Constitution guarantees, and the recent Heller decision confirmed, that gunman might not have gotten the third or fourth shot of the fifteen that were allegedly fired and there might be eight people who were not shot.

Oh, Adam! We know that 99% of cars are not used to deliberately kill people, as we know that 99% of bread knives are only used to cut bread, and 99% of blunt instruments are left on their shelves, and 99% of hands do not strangle anybody. 100% of guns are used only to kill living things.That is their only purpose. You are looking upside-down at a serious problem, because of which people have died today.

I would direct you to a serious and definitive book by John Lott. I read the original edition, apparently, according to his website which I had never seen, thank you Carol, this is a third edition.

http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/493636.html

Wow - what an excellent website he has...http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/

Adam

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http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2010/house/az/arizona_8th_district_kelly_vs_giffords-1287.html

"The 8th was represented by moderate Republican Jim Kolbe from 1984 until his retirement in 2006. By the time Kolbe retired, the district had drifted significantly toward the Democrats. In 2004 it had voted for George W. Bush at about his national average, 53 percent, and only narrowly went for favorite son John McCain in 2008. It elected Gabrielle Giffords with 54 percent of the vote against a member of the anti-illegal immigrant Minutemen in 2006; the more moderate Tim Bee fared even worse against Giffords in 2008."

15862.jpgGabrielle Giffords (D)*

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16801.jpgJesse Kelly ®

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10 patients, one dead, 5 critical in hospital. GG is in critical condition. Doctor is very optimistic about her. The dead is young child. 9yo. Bullet went through GG's brain.

--Brant

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Sorry again, in my shock I put my reply in the wrong place and unwittingly impersonated the NYT writer. Don't know how to move the text though.

Carol:

No problem.

If someone rammed the Congressman with car loaded with C4, should we blame the car?

If, we had open carry, as the second amendment of the US Constitution guarantees, and the recent Heller decision confirmed, that gunman might not have gotten the third or fourth shot of the fifteen that were allegedly fired and there might be eight people who were not shot.

Oh, Adam! We know that 99% of cars are not used to deliberately kill people, as we know that 99% of bread knives are only used to cut bread, and 99% of blunt instruments are left on their shelves, and 99% of hands do not strangle anybody. 100% of guns are used only to kill living things.That is their only purpose. You are looking upside-down at a serious problem, because of which people have died today.

I would direct you to a serious and definitive book by John Lott. I read the original edition, apparently, according to his website which I had never seen, thank you Carol, this is a third edition.

http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/493636.html

Wow - what an excellent website he has...http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/

Adam

Did it again, this time I embedded my comment in your own, sorry to be such a webidiot, I don't know how you put up with me.

i hope i don't offend anyone but i am praying.

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Her father, Spencer, is already blaming "The whole tea party."

--Brant

We knew that was going to happen-reading any comments on the news stories and they are mostly blaming the tea party, Glenn Beck, Fox News and Sarah Palin (oh and they are crying for stricter gun control laws as well).

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Her father, Spencer, is already blaming "The whole tea party."

--Brant

Giffords 138, 280 DEM

Stolts 11, 174 LBT

Kelly 134, 124 REP

Interesting. Had the libertarian backed Kelly he would be the Congressperson and she would be un shot today.

Roll, the Federal Judge was killed.

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Adam, we have "open carry" in Tucson.

--Brant

Technically Utah has it too, but if you exercise the "right" you *will* be harassed by the police.

We'd be a whole lot safer from things like this if every adult (without a history of non-victimless crime) open carried.

Shayne

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Her father, Spencer, is already blaming "The whole tea party."

Not quite.

But isn't it understandable that an assassination attempt invites scrutiny of the politician's declared opponents?

I wonder if Brant and Pippi speculated in their own minds on the motives of the shooter when they first heard the news . . .

What a sad and shocking day for Americans.

To put Brant's truncated quote in context, as reported by the New York Post, her father was asked if she had any enemies.

The congresswoman’s father Spencer Gifford, 75, was rushing to the hospital when asked if his 40-year-old daughter had any enemies.

"Yeah," he told The Post. "The whole tea party."

He added that politicians constantly faced danger.

"They always get threat[ened]," Gifford cried. "We don’t really have any information. The Police department was supposed to call us but they didn’t."

Here is Giffords herself, in an earlier MSNBC clip, talking about danger, rhetoric, and the kind of attacks she faced in her campaign.

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Scroll to the bottom to see his favorite books.

I knew that bastard Plato was behind this.

I think we should sweep all the caves for accomplices tonight!

Adam

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