Ayaan Hirsi's Prejudice Confirmed

[Selene]

Ms. Xray:

Two points.

Out of curiosity, does your statement:

"This pattern btw. can be observed by all kinds of firm believers in a religion or an ideology."

also apply to all kinds of rigid deniers of firm believers in religion or an ideology?

Second, "The posts by "Libertarian Muslim" as he now calls himself here...", you are aware of why there has been a change, or are you firmly believing in some rigid reason in your own mind?

Adam

[Xray]

Ms. Xray:

Two points.

Out of curiosity, does your statement:

"This pattern btw. can be observed by all kinds of firm believers in a religion or an ideology."

also apply to all kinds of rigid deniers of firm believers in religion or an ideology?

Second, "The posts by "Libertarian Muslim" as he now calls himself here...", you are aware of why there has been a change, or are you firmly believing in some rigid reason in your own mind?

Adam

I just saw I made a typo in my # post: I meant to write "this pattern btw can be observed in (or is it "with" in English? the believers [not 'by' the believers].

To your questions:

1) as for rigid deniers of a belief or an ideology being intolerant of anything in the belief/ideology they deny, of course this can happen. And it will happen almost always in case these critics themselves are firmly planted in an opposing belief/ideology. For example, you will hardly encounter a fervent advocate of unbridled capitalism who would concede that the Marxist criticism of unbridled capitalism may have a point here and there.

Often, one can also encounter one fallacy fighting another.

2) Yes I am aware why there has been a change. For those who don't yet know, here is the link to the info: http://www.objectivistliving.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=9231&st=0&p=108285entry108285

I sincerely hope the change stopped the poster from being stalked. Stalking is a criminal offense, and in case this should ever happen to me, I would not hesitate to take legal action.

Edited September 19, 2010 by Xray

[Brant Gaede]

It seems Xray's value subjectivity is trying to assert an objective reference.

--Brant

Brant,

The posts by "Libertarian Muslim" as he now calls himself here, are an excellent illustrationn of the subjectivity of moral values, as well as a clear demonstration on his part of the supreme of those subjective values in his life: Islam. Islam first, and everything else (and I do mean everything), is subordinate to that supreme value of his.

It's that simple. Which is why I'm totally convinced that LM would never act against what his religion commands him to do.

This is also the reason why the 100 per cent believer, when confronted with criticism of the religion, either of parts or even of the religion's premises themselves (as e. g. A. Hirsi and Wafa Sultan have done), has no choice but to reject such criticism as a whole. So the total believer cannot concede to the critic that he/she may have point here and there. For the belief system he adheres to closes that road.

This pattern btw. can be observed by all kinds of firm believers in a religion or an ideology.

"Be sure you are right, then go ahead." How can you ever know you are right?

--Brant

[Brant Gaede]

I sincerely hope the change stopped the poster from being stalked. Stalking is a criminal offense, and in case this should ever happen to me, I would not hesitate to take legal action.

A woman was stalked by her x here in Tucson against a court order of protection. Later the police escorted him off her property. He came back one hour later and killed her.

Lady, get your gun.

--Brant

got one too--actually, got two too

[Selene]

I sincerely hope the change stopped the poster from being stalked. Stalking is a criminal offense, and in case this should ever happen to me, I would not hesitate to take legal action.

A woman was stalked by her x here in Tucson against a court order of protection. Later the police escorted him off her property. He came back one hour later and killed her.

Lady, get your gun.

--Brant

got one too--actually, got two too

Brant:

In a conference on domestic violence in NY City, our advocacy group F.A.M.I.L.Y., Advocates suggested that the least they could due was to blow up the useless orders of protection and put them on Kevlar shields so that the victim would have a fighting chance.

The entire domestic violence monolith is a total waste of taxpayer dollars.

Adam

[Xray]

I sincerely hope the change stopped the poster from being stalked. Stalking is a criminal offense, and in case this should ever happen to me, I would not hesitate to take legal action.

A woman was stalked by her x here in Tucson against a court order of protection. Later the police escorted him off her property. He came back one hour later and killed her.

Lady, get your gun.

--Brant

got one too--actually, got two too

Imo even if one owns a gun, it can't eliminate all risk. For there just is no such thing as real safety in life.

As for keeping guns legally in the home, this in itself can pose a risk. Who has not heard of those criminal cases where youngsters took uns from their fathers' weapon collection ad then ran amok?

Even adults can be at risk - we just had a tragic case here in Germany where a 41-year-old female lawyer ran amok with the 22-calibre sports pistol she legally owned as a recreational shooter.

In a conference on domestic violence in NY City, our advocacy group F.A.M.I.L.Y., Advocates suggested that the least they could due was to blow up the useless orders of protection and put them on Kevlar shields so that the victim would have a fighting chance.

The entire domestic violence monolith is a total waste of taxpayer dollars.

Imo without the court orders, the situation would be worse.

In my job, have come across quite a few cases where court orders had been necessary, and it worked.

I don't live in a high crime area though.

Edited September 25, 2010 by Xray

[caroljane]

Aayan Hirsi Ali, says McPhee, has become "a hero to herself and to the men who worship her."

Remind you of anybody?

[Selene]

I sincerely hope the change stopped the poster from being stalked. Stalking is a criminal offense, and in case this should ever happen to me, I would not hesitate to take legal action.

A woman was stalked by her x here in Tucson against a court order of protection. Later the police escorted him off her property. He came back one hour later and killed her.

Lady, get your gun.

--Brant

got one too--actually, got two too

Imo even if one owns a gun, it can't eliminate all risk. For there just is no such thing as real safety in life.

As for keeping guns legally in the home, this in itself can pose a risk. Who has not heard of those criminal cases where youngsters took uns from their fathers' weapon collection ad then ran amok?

Even adults can be at risk - we just had a tragic case here in Germany where a 41-year-old female lawyer ran amok with the 22-calibre sports pistol she legally owned as a recreational shooter.

In a conference on domestic violence in NY City, our advocacy group F.A.M.I.L.Y., Advocates suggested that the least they could due was to blow up the useless orders of protection and put them on Kevlar shields so that the victim would have a fighting chance.

The entire domestic violence monolith is a total waste of taxpayer dollars.

Imo without the court orders, the situation would be worse.

In my job, have come across quite a few cases where court orders had been necessary, and it worked.

I don't live in a high crime area though.

Yep...them thar orderes of pretections shur do pretect them bitches...

Victims hope justice will prevail. Survivors know better.

Sally Allen

Index

Catalysts for violence

Examples of the catalytic precipitance of violence

Example one — Woman shot and killed as she arrives for work

Example two — Woman shot an killed in living room of friend's house where she had sought safety

Example three — Woman killed by ex-husband who had five prior DV convictions

Example four — Woman killed at work after taking out protection order against boyfriend

Example five — Protection order doesn't stop boyfriend from killing woman at her home

Example six — Woman killed with an axe in her sleep six days after she obtained protection order

Example seven — Woman killed leaving courthouse

Example eight — Wife murdered after filing for divorce and getting a protection order

Example nine — Wife obtains protection order then husband kills her and himself

Example ten — Prison guard kills wife and two sons after unfaithful wife obtains protection order

Example eleven — Husband is murdered after he files for divorce and obtains protection order against violent wife

Example twelve — Woman murdered at city center after filing for divorce and obtaining protection order

Example thirteen — Woman raped and stabbed after getting protection order against ex-boyfriend

Example fourteen — Ex-husband murders former wife despite protection order against him

<a href="http://www.dvmen.org/dv-14.htm#e15" class="Hypertext">Example fifteen — Girl murdered by ex-boyfriend despite DV conviction and protection order against him

[kiaer.ts]

Aayan Hirsi Ali, says McPhee, has become "a hero to herself...."

Remind you of anybody?

You, you sanctimonious twit?

[caroljane]

Now Ted, don't be bitter. There was a time when you thought my sanctimonious was cute, and enjoyed tracing my Twittish genealogy with me. But if your memories have soured mine have not, and for me what happens in Kapuskasing, stays in Kapuskasing.