Islam

[Libertarian Muslim]

What imperialism and aggression in Islam are you referring to exactly? Islam forbids both transgression and oppression and states quite clearly that those who do so are the enemies of God.

There's no need to add anything.. It's already there.. It's just a matter of bringing back original Islamic teachings and practice.

Adonis,

How about, for instance, Qur'an 9:5 and 9:29?

I presume these are original Islamic teachings, and that they were meant as guides to original Islamic practice.

Robert Campbell

PS. As a reminder, I also asked you, upthread, how one goes about distinguishing bogus ahadith, which you say were planted by the Umayyad Dynasty, from genuine sayings of Muhammad and genuine accounts of what he and his companions did.

They are Qur'anic verses Robert, applicable to a certain time and place.. To a situation.. They must be looked at in context of those and not applied as a one size fits all situation.

Also, regarding distinguishing through bogus ahadith, it requires study and a lot of it. It also requires the reader to be selective of whom they accept hadith from and whether the hadith contradicts the Qur'an.

[Selene]

What imperialism and aggression in Islam are you referring to exactly? Islam forbids both transgression and oppression and states quite clearly that those who do so are the enemies of God.

There's no need to add anything.. It's already there.. It's just a matter of bringing back original Islamic teachings and practice.

Adonis,

How about, for instance, Qur'an 9:5 and 9:29?

I presume these are original Islamic teachings, and that they were meant as guides to original Islamic practice.

Robert Campbell

PS. As a reminder, I also asked you, upthread, how one goes about distinguishing bogus ahadith, which you say were planted by the Umayyad Dynasty, from genuine sayings of Muhammad and genuine accounts of what he and his companions did.

They are Qur'anic verses Robert, applicable to a certain time and place.. To a situation.. They must be looked at in context of those and not applied as a one size fits all situation.

Also, regarding distinguishing through bogus ahadith, it requires study and a lot of it. It also requires the reader to be selective of whom they accept hadith from and whether the hadith contradicts the Qur'an.

Adonis:

You familiar with these folks? Anyone?

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/

Sunnah and Hadith

Large Collections

• A collection of the ahadith in Sahih Bukhari
• A collection of the ahadith in Sahih Muslim
• A partial collection of the ahadith in Sunan Abu-Dawud
• A collection of the ahadith in Malik's Muwatta
• Search hadith database

Miscellaneous Collections

• A collection of 40 hadith qudsi

Copyright 2007 - 2009 CMJE and the University of Southern California

Looks interesting to me.

Adam

[Libertarian Muslim]

What imperialism and aggression in Islam are you referring to exactly? Islam forbids both transgression and oppression and states quite clearly that those who do so are the enemies of God.

There's no need to add anything.. It's already there.. It's just a matter of bringing back original Islamic teachings and practice.

Adonis,

How about, for instance, Qur'an 9:5 and 9:29?

I presume these are original Islamic teachings, and that they were meant as guides to original Islamic practice.

Robert Campbell

PS. As a reminder, I also asked you, upthread, how one goes about distinguishing bogus ahadith, which you say were planted by the Umayyad Dynasty, from genuine sayings of Muhammad and genuine accounts of what he and his companions did.

They are Qur'anic verses Robert, applicable to a certain time and place.. To a situation.. They must be looked at in context of those and not applied as a one size fits all situation.

Also, regarding distinguishing through bogus ahadith, it requires study and a lot of it. It also requires the reader to be selective of whom they accept hadith from and whether the hadith contradicts the Qur'an.

Adonis:

You familiar with these folks? Anyone?

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/

Sunnah and Hadith

Large Collections

• A collection of the ahadith in Sahih Bukhari
• A collection of the ahadith in Sahih Muslim
• A partial collection of the ahadith in Sunan Abu-Dawud
• A collection of the ahadith in Malik's Muwatta
• Search hadith database

Miscellaneous Collections

• A collection of 40 hadith qudsi

Copyright 2007 - 2009 CMJE and the University of Southern California

Looks interesting to me.

Adam

Yes I've been on their site before Adam, all very interesting. Great ways to look up hadith. Though it was better before.

[Leonid]

Jokes from Muslim stand-up comic Goffaq Yussef - a positive sign when we start hearing hum or like this from a Palestinian...?

Good evening gentlemen, and get out, ladies.

On my flight to New York there must have been an Israeli in the bathroom the entire time. There was a sign on the door that said, "Occupied."

What do you say to a Muslim woman with two black eyes?

Nothing! You told her twice already!

How many Palestinians does it take to change a light bulb?

None! They sit in the dark forever and blame the Jews for it!

Did you hear about the Broadway play, "The Palestinian"?

It bombed!

What do you call a first-time offender in Saudi Arabia? Lefty!

Did you hear about the Muslim strip club?

It features full facial nudity!

Why do Palestinians find it convenient to live on the

West Bank? Because it's just a stone's throw from Israel!

Why are Palestinian boys luckier than American boys?Because every Palestinian boy will get to join a rock group!

A Palestinian suspect was being grilled by Israeli police. "Honest, I'm not a suicide bomber," he said.

"I didn't say I wanted to blow myself up so I could sleep with 72 virgins. All I said was, 'I'm dying to get laid"!

What does the sign say above the nursery in a Palestinian maternity ward? "Live ammunition."

Palestinian girl says to her mommy: "After Abdul blows himself up, can I have his room?"

[BaalChatzaf]

Jokes from Muslim stand-up comic Goffaq Yussef - a positive sign when we start hearing hum or like this from a Palestinian...?

Good evening gentlemen, and get out, ladies.

On my flight to New York there must have been an Israeli in the bathroom the entire time. There was a sign on the door that said, "Occupied."

What do you say to a Muslim woman with two black eyes?

Nothing! You told her twice already!

How many Palestinians does it take to change a light bulb?

None! They sit in the dark forever and blame the Jews for it!

Did you hear about the Broadway play, "The Palestinian"?

It bombed!

What do you call a first-time offender in Saudi Arabia? Lefty!

Did you hear about the Muslim strip club?

It features full facial nudity!

Why do Palestinians find it convenient to live on the

West Bank? Because it's just a stone's throw from Israel!

Why are Palestinian boys luckier than American boys?Because every Palestinian boy will get to join a rock group!

A Palestinian suspect was being grilled by Israeli police. "Honest, I'm not a suicide bomber," he said.

"I didn't say I wanted to blow myself up so I could sleep with 72 virgins. All I said was, 'I'm dying to get laid"!

What does the sign say above the nursery in a Palestinian maternity ward? "Live ammunition."

Palestinian girl says to her mommy: "After Abdul blows himself up, can I have his room?"

That is very funny stuff. Did some Muslim comic actually say these lines? For real?

Ba'al Chatzaf

[Selene]

Well now, Leonid...

Real humor...

Very funny stuff!

Adam

[Leonid]

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[Selene]

The woman of the Year

http://sn105w.snt105...x?wa=wsignin1.0

Link hits a sign in page happens to me also

[Leonid]

Ba'al hatzaf "That is very funny stuff. Did some Muslim comic actually say these lines? For real?"

Naam, taban. (yes, of course).Get DVD.

[Libertarian Muslim]

LOL..

There's no such commedian..

Here, look at the name.. Goffaq Yussef

Sound it out..

Go-ffaq yu-ssef

What does that sound like to you?

[Leonid]

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[BaalChatzaf]

Ba'al hatzaf "That is very funny stuff. Did some Muslim comic actually say these lines? For real?"

Naam, taban. (yes, of course).Get DVD.

I have no doubt someone really said those lines, but was he really a Muslim? I am almost certain that whatever comic said those lines, had a Jewish writer. It is brilliant satire.

Ba'al Chatzaf

[Leonid]

Adonis "There's no such commedian.."

Clever guy!

But there are plenty of real Muslim comedians.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdqRNUSaj5w

and many many others

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[Leonid]

The woman of the Year

Link hits a sign in page happens to me also

[Leonid]

"I presume these are original Islamic teachings, and that they were meant as guides to original Islamic practice.

Robert Campbell"-You are right.

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Adonis "There's no need to add anything.. It's already there.. It's just a matter of bringing back original Islamic teachings and practice."

You also obviously right. It is already there and many people actually practice it

9: Repentance

9:1 Freedom from obligation (is proclaimed) from Allah and His messenger toward those of the idolaters with whom ye made a treaty. (9:1-4)

"Allah is free from obligation to the idolaters, and (so is) His messenger."

Allah and Muhammad are not bound by treaties made with idolaters (except for those who don't oppose Allah or Muhammad).

(9:2)

"Ye cannot escape Allah. Allah will confound the disbelievers."

(9:3)

"Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to those who disbelieve."

Doom in the Quran

(9:5) The Verse of the Sword

"Slay the idolaters wherever you find them."

Is each person be free to believe as he or she wishes?

9:2 Travel freely in the land four months, and know that ye cannot escape Allah and that Allah will confound the disbelievers (in His Guidance).

9:3 And a proclamation from Allah and His messenger to all men on the day of the Greater Pilgrimage that Allah is free from obligation to the idolaters, and (so is) His messenger. So, if ye repent, it will be better for you; but if ye are averse, then know that ye cannot escape Allah. Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom to those who disbelieve,

9:4 Excepting those of the idolaters with whom ye (Muslims) have a treaty, and who have since abated nothing of your right nor have supported anyone against you. (As for these), fulfil their treaty to them till their term. Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty (unto Him).

9:5 Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

9:6 And if anyone of the idolaters seeketh thy protection (O Muhammad), then protect him so that he may hear the Word of Allah, and afterward convey him to his place of safety. That is because they are a folk who know not. (9:6) "Afterward convey him to his place of safety."

Those who submit and convert to Islam will be treated well. (Those who don't submit will be killed. See previous verse.)

9:7 How can there be a treaty with Allah and with His messenger for the idolaters save those with whom ye made a treaty at the Inviolable Place of Worship ? So long as they are true to you, be true to them. Lo! Allah loveth those who keep their duty. (9:7-9) "How can there be any treaty for the others?"

Don't make treaties with non-Muslims. They are all evildoers and should not be trusted.

9:8 How (can there be any treaty for the others) when, if they have the upper hand of you, they regard not pact nor honour in respect of you ? They satisfy you with their mouths the while their hearts refuse. And most of them are wrongdoers.

9:9 They have purchased with the revelations of Allah a little gain, so they debar (men) from His way. Lo! evil is that which they are wont to do.

9:10 And they observe toward a believer neither pact nor honour. These are they who are transgressors.

9:11 But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge. (9:11) "If they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion."

Treat converts to Islam well. (Kill those who refuse to convert. See 9:5)

(9:12-14) "Fight them!"

Fight the disbelievers! Allah is on your side; he will give you victory. (Quoted by Osama bin Laden in his 'letter to America' as a justification for the 11 September 2001 attacks.)

Is each person be free to believe as he or she wishes?

9:12 And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist.

9:13 Will ye not fight a folk who broke their solemn pledges, and purposed to drive out the messenger and did attack you first ? What! Fear ye them ? Now Allah hath more right that ye should fear Him, if ye are believers

9:14 Fight them! Allah will chastise them at your hands, and He will lay them low and give you victory over them, and He will heal the breasts of folk who are believers.

9:15 And He will remove the anger of their hearts. Allah relenteth toward whom He will. Allah is Knower, Wise.

9:16 Or deemed ye that ye would be left (in peace) when Allah yet knoweth not those of you who strive, choosing for familiar none save Allah and His messenger and the believers ? Allah is Informed of what ye do.

9:17 It is not for the idolaters to tend Allah's sanctuaries, bearing witness against themselves of disbelief. As for such, their works are vain and in the Fire they will abide. (9:17) "It is not for the idolaters to tend Allah's sanctuaries ... their works are vain and in the Fire they will abide."

The Fire

(9:18) Pay the poor-due, but only if they are Muslims. [Never help a non-Muslim. (See 28:86)]

(9:19)

"Count ye the slaking of a pilgrim's thirst ... as (equal to the worth of) him who believeth in Allah and the Last Day, and striveth in the way of Allah?"

Helping the poor is not as important as believing in Islam and fighting in holy wars.

9:18 He only shall tend Allah's sanctuaries who believeth in Allah and the Last Day and observeth proper worship and payeth the poor-due and feareth none save Allah. For such (only) is it possible that they can be of the rightly guided.

9:19 Count ye the slaking of a pilgrim's thirst and tendance of the Inviolable Place of Worship as (equal to the worth of) him who believeth in Allah and the Last Day, and striveth in the way of Allah? They are not equal in the sight of Allah. Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.

9:20 Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant.

9:21 Their Lord giveth them good tidings of mercy from Him, and acceptance, and Gardens where enduring pleasure will be theirs;

9:22 There they will abide for ever. Lo! with Allah there is immense reward.

9:23 O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers. (9:23) "Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith."

Don't be friends with disbelieving family members. Those who do so are wrong-doers.

(9:24) "If your fathers, and your sons, and your brethren, and your wives ... are dearer to you than Allah and His messenger ... then wait till Allah bringeth His command to pass."

If you value your parents, wives, and children more than Allah and Muhammad, then just wait and see what Allah will do to you after you die.

9:24 Say: If your fathers, and your sons, and your brethren, and your wives, and your tribe, and the wealth ye have acquired, and merchandise for which ye fear that there will no sale, and dwellings ye desire are dearer to you than Allah and His messenger and striving in His way: then wait till Allah bringeth His command to pass. Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk.

9:25 Allah hath given you victory on many fields and on the day of Huneyn, when ye exulted in your multitude but it availed you naught, and the earth, vast as it is, was straitened for you; then ye turned back in flight;

9:26 Then Allah sent His peace of reassurance down upon His messenger and upon the believers, and sent down hosts ye could not see, and punished those who disbelieved. Such is the reward of disbelievers. (9:26) "Allah ... sent down host ye could not see."

Allah sent down angels (I guess) to fight for him! (But they were invisible so no one could see them.)

(9:26) "Allah punished those who disbelieved."

(9:28) "The idolaters only are unclean."

Only idolaters are unclean. Keep them away from your places of worship.

(9:29) "Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah until they pay the tribute (the Jizya) readily, being brought low."

How should Jews and Christians be treated?

Is each person be free to believe as he or she wishes?

(9:30) "The Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah."

(Where and when did any Jew ever say that?)

(9:30)

"Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they!"

(9:31)

"They have taken as lords ... their rabbis and their monks."

Jews and Christians consider rabbis and monks to be partners with God? How do Muslims treat Muhammad?

9:27 Then afterward Allah will relent toward whom He will; for Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

9:28 O ye who believe! The idolaters only are unclean. So let them not come near the Inviolable Place of Worship after this their year. If ye fear poverty (from the loss of their merchandise) Allah shall preserve you of His bounty if He will. Lo! Allah is Knower, Wise.

9:29 Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the Religion of Truth, until they pay the tribute readily, being brought low.

9:30 And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah. That is their saying with their mouths. They imitate the saying of those who disbelieved of old. Allah (Himself) fighteth against them. How perverse are they!

9:31 They have taken as lords beside Allah their rabbis and their monks and the Messiah son of Mary, when they were bidden to worship only One God. There is no God save Him. Be He Glorified from all that they ascribe as partner (unto Him)!

9:32 Fain would they put out the light of Allah with their mouths, but Allah disdaineth (aught) save that He shall perfect His light, however much the disbelievers are averse.

9:33 He it is Who hath sent His messenger with the guidance and the Religion of Truth, that He may cause it to prevail over all religion, however much the idolaters may be averse. (9:33) "That He may cause it to prevail over all religion"

The "Religion of Truth" (Islam) must prevail, by force if necessary, over all other religions.

9:34 O ye who believe! Lo! many of the (Jewish) rabbis and the (Christian) monks devour the wealth of mankind wantonly and debar (men) from the way of Allah. They who hoard up gold and silver and spend it not in the way of Allah, unto them give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom, (9:34) "Give tidings (O Muhammad) of a painful doom" to the rich and greedy Christian monks and Jewish rabbis.

Doom in the Quran

9:35 On the day when it will (all) be heated in the fire of hell, and their foreheads and their flanks and their backs will be branded therewith (and it will be said unto them): Here is that which ye hoarded for yourselves. Now taste of what ye used to hoard. (9:35)

"Their foreheads and their flanks and their backs will be branded."

Those who are tormented in the Fire will have their foreheads and backs branded.

Hell and The Fire in the Quran.

(9:36) "Wage war on all of the idolaters as they are waging war on all of you."

In war with idolaters, do unto them as they do unto you.

(9:37) "Allah guideth not the disbelieving folk."

9:36 Lo! the number of the months with Allah is twelve months by Allah's ordinance in the day that He created the heavens and the earth. Four of them are sacred: that is the right religion. So wrong not yourselves in them. And wage war on all of the idolaters as they are waging war on all of you. And know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him).

9:37 Postponement (of a sacred month) is only an excess of disbelief whereby those who disbelieve are misled; they allow it one year and forbid it (another) year, that they may make up the number of the months which Allah hath hallowed, so that they allow that which Allah hath forbidden. The evil of their deeds is made fairseeming unto them. Allah guideth not the disbelieving folk.

9:38 O ye who believe! What aileth you that when it is said unto you: Go forth in the way of Allah, ye are bowed down to the ground with heaviness. Take ye pleasure in the life of the world rather than in the Hereafter ? The comfort of the life of the world is but little in the Hereafter. (9:38)

"The comfort of the life of the world is but little in the Hereafter."

Don't try to enjoy this life. The fun starts after you die. (If you are a good Muslim, that is.)

9:39 If ye go not forth He will afflict you with a painful doom, and will choose instead of you a folk other than you. Ye cannot harm Him at all. Allah is Able to do all things. (9:39)

"If ye go not forth He will afflict you with a painful doom."

If you refuse to fight, Allah will afflict you with a painful doom.

Doom in the Quran

(9:39) "Ye cannot harm Him at all."

(9:40) Invisible armies!

Allah supported Muhammad with armies that no one else could see.

(9:41)

"Strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah!"

Fight for Allah with your wealth and whatever weapons are available to you.

(9:42) "They verily are liars."

Those who refuse to fight for Allah (claiming they are unable) are liars who have destroyed their souls.

9:40 If ye help him not, still Allah helped him when those who disbelieve drove him forth, the second of two; when they two were in the cave, when he said unto his comrade: Grieve not. Lo! Allah is with us. Then Allah caused His peace of reassurance to descend upon him and supported him with hosts ye cannot see, and made the word of those who disbelieved the nethermost, while Allah's Word it was that became the uppermost. Allah is Mighty, Wise.

9:41 Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew.

9:42 Had it been a near adventure and an easy journey they had followed thee, but the distance seemed too far for them. Yet will they swear by Allah (saying): If we had been able we would surely have set out with you. They destroy their souls, and Allah knoweth that they verily are liars.

9:43 Allah forgive thee (O Muhammad)! Wherefor didst thou grant them leave ere those who told the truth were manifest to thee and thou didst know the liars ?

9:44 Those who believe in Allah and the Last Day ask no leave of thee lest they should strive with their wealth and their lives. Allah is Aware of those who keep their duty (unto Him).

9:45 They alone ask leave of thee who believe not in Allah and the Last Day, and whose hearts feel doubt, so in their doubt they waver.

9:46 And if they had wished to go forth they would assuredly have made ready some equipment, but Allah was averse to their being sent forth and held them back and it was said (unto them): Sit ye with the sedentary!

9:47 Had they gone forth among you they had added to you naught save trouble and had hurried to and fro among you, seeking to cause sedition among you; and among you there are some who would have listened to them. Allah is Aware of evil- doers.

9:48 Aforetime they sought to cause sedition and raised difficulties for thee till the Truth came and the decree of Allah was made manifest, though they were loth.

9:49 Of them is he who saith: Grant me leave (to stay at home) and tempt me not. Surely it is into temptation that they (thus) have fallen. Lo! hell verily is all around the disbelievers. (9:49)

"Lo! hell verily is all around the disbelievers."

Disbelievers (and those who refuse to fight for Allah) go to hell.

Hell in the Quran

9:50 If good befalleth thee (O Muhammad) it afflicteth them, and if calamity befalleth thee, they say: We took precaution, and they turn away well pleased.

9:51 Say: Naught befalleth us save that which Allah hath decreed for us. He is our Protecting Friend. In Allah let believers put their trust!

9:52 Say: Can ye await for us aught save one of two good things (death or victory in Allah's way) ? while we await for you that Allah will afflict you with a doom from Him or at our hands. Await then! Lo! We are awaiting with you. (9:52)

"Allah will afflict you with a doom from Him or at our hands."

Doom in the Quran

9:53 Say: Pay (your contribution), willingly or unwillingly, it will not be accepted from you. Lo! ye were ever froward folk. (9:53-54)

"Save that they have disbelieved in Allah and in His messenger"

Pay your contribution willingly. Allah will not accept a contribution from disbelievers or idlers.

9:54 And naught preventeth that their contributions should be accepted from them save that they have disbelieved in Allah and in His messenger, and they come not to worship save as idlers, and pay not (their contribution) save reluctantly.

9:55 So let not their riches nor their children please thee (O Muhammad). Allah thereby intendeth but to punish them in the life of the world and that their souls shall pass away while they are disbelievers.

9:56 And they swear by Allah that they are in truth of you, when they are not of you, but they are folk who are afraid.

9:57 Had they but found a refuge, or caverns, or a place to enter, they surely had resorted thither swift as runaways.

9:58 And of them is he who defameth thee in the matter of the alms. If they are given thereof they are content, and if they are not given thereof, behold! they are enraged.

9:59 (How much more seemly) had they been content with that which Allah and His messenger had given them and had said: Allah sufficeth us. Allah will give us of His bounty, and (also) His messenger. Unto Allah we are suppliants.

9:60 The alms are only for the poor and the needy, and those who collect them, and those whose hearts are to be reconciled, and to free the captives and the debtors, and for the cause of Allah, and (for) the wayfarer; a duty imposed by Allah. Allah is Knower, Wise. (9:60) "Alms are only for the poor and the needy, ... to free the captives and the debtors, ... and (for) the wayfarer."

But not for non-Muslims. [Never help a non-Muslim. (See 28:86)]

(9:61) "Those who vex the messenger of Allah, for them there is a painful doom."

Doom in the Quran

9:61 And of them are those who vex the Prophet and say: He is only a hearer. Say: A hearer of good for you, who believeth in Allah and is true to the believers, and a mercy for such of you as believe. Those who vex the messenger of Allah, for them there is a painful doom.

9:62 They swear by Allah to you (Muslims) to please you, but Allah, with His messenger, hath more right that they should please Him if they are believers. (9:62) "They ... please Him if they are believers."

Allah is only pleased by true believers.

9:63 Know they not that whoso opposeth Allah and His messenger, his verily is fire of hell, to abide therein? That is the extreme abasement. (9:63) "Whoso opposeth Allah and His messenger, his verily is fire of hell."

Hell and The Fire in the Quran

9:64 The hypocrites fear lest a surah should be revealed concerning them, proclaiming what is in their hearts. Say: Scoff (your fill)! Lo! Allah is disclosing what ye fear.

9:65 And if thou ask them (O Muhammad) they will say: We did but talk and jest. Say: Was it at Allah and His revelations and His messenger that ye did scoff ?

9:66 Make no excuse. Ye have disbelieved after your (confession of) belief. If We forgive a party of you, a party of you We shall punish because they have been guilty.

9:67 The hypocrites, both men and women, proceed one from another. They enjoin the wrong, and they forbid the right, and they withhold their hands (from spending for the cause of Allah). They forget Allah, so He hath forgotten them. Lo! the hypocrites, they are the transgressors.

9:68 Allah promiseth the hypocrites, both men and women, and the disbelievers fire of hell for their abode. It will suffice them. Allah curseth them, and theirs is lasting torment. (9:68) "Allah promiseth the hypocrites, both men and women, and the disbelievers fire of hell for their abode. It will suffice them. Allah curseth them, and theirs is lasting torment."

Hell and The Fire in the Quran

9:69 Even as those before you who were mightier than you in strength, and more affluent than you in wealth and children. They enjoyed their lot awhile, so ye enjoy your lot awhile even as those before you did enjoy their lot awhile. And ye prate even as they prated. Such are they whose works have perished in the world and the Hereafter. Such are they who are the losers.

9:70 Hath not the fame of those before them reached them - the folk of Noah, A'ad, Thamud, the folk of Abraham, the dwellers of Midian and the disasters (which befell them) ? Their messengers (from Allah) came unto them with proofs (of Allah's Sovereignty). So Allah surely wronged them not, but they did wrong themselves.

9:71 And the believers, men and women, are protecting friends one of another; they enjoin the right and forbid the wrong, and they establish worship and they pay the poor-due, and they obey Allah and His messenger. As for these, Allah will have mercy on them. Lo! Allah is Mighty, Wise. (9:71) "Men and women are protecting friends of one another; they enjoin the right and forbid the wrong ... and pay the poor-due."

9:72 Allah promiseth to the believers, men and women, Gardens underneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide - blessed dwellings in Gardens of Eden. And - greater (far)! - acceptance from Allah. That is the supreme triumph.

9:73 O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. (9:73) "Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end."

Fight the disbelievers and hypocrites. Be harsh with them. They are all going to hell anyway.

Hell and Doom in the Quran

(9:74) "Allah will afflict them [disbelievers] with a painful doom in the world and the Hereafter, and they have no protecting friend nor helper in the earth."

9:74 They swear by Allah that they said nothing (wrong), yet they did say the word of disbelief, and did disbelieve after their Surrender (to Allah). And they purposed that which they could not attain, and they sought revenge only that Allah by His messenger should enrich them of His bounty. If they repent it will be better for them; and if they turn away, Allah will afflict them with a painful doom in the world and the Hereafter, and they have no protecting friend nor helper in the earth.

9:75 And of them is he who made a covenant with Allah (saying): If He give us of His bounty we will give alms and become of the righteous.

9:76 Yet when He gave them of His bounty, they hoarded it and turned away, averse;

9:77 So He hath made the consequence (to be) hypocrisy in their hearts until the day when they shall meet Him, because they broke their word to Allah that they promised Him, and because they lied.

9:78 Know they not that Allah knoweth both their secret and the thought that they confide, and that Allah is the Knower of Things Hidden ?

9:79 Those who point at such of the believers as give the alms willingly and such as can find naught to give but their endeavours, and deride them - Allah (Himself) derideth them. Theirs will be a painful doom. (9:79) "Theirs will be a painful doom."

Doom in the Quran

9:80 Ask forgiveness for them (O Muhammad), or ask not forgiveness for them; though thou ask forgiveness for them seventy times Allah will not forgive them. That is because they disbelieved in Allah and His messenger, and Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk. (9:80) "Though thou ask forgiveness for them seventy times Allah will not forgive them. That is because they disbelieved in Allah and His messenger."

God will not forgive disbelievers, so don't ask.

Will Allah forgive anything?

(9:81-83)

"The fire of hell is more intense of heat."

Those who refuse to give their wealth and lives to Allah will face the fire of hell.

Hell and The Fire in the Quran

9:81 Those who were left behind rejoiced at sitting still behind the messenger of Allah, and were averse to striving with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way. And they said: Go not forth in the heat! Say: The fire of hell is more intense of heat, if they but understood.

9:82 Then let them laugh a little: they will weep much, as the reward of what they used to earn.

9:83 If Allah bring thee back (from the campaign) unto a party of them and they ask of thee leave to go out (to fight), then say unto them: Ye shall never more go out with me nor fight with me against a foe. Ye were content with sitting still the first time. So sit still, with the useless.

9:84 And never (O Muhammad) pray for one of them who dieth, nor stand by his grave. Lo! they disbelieved in Allah and His messenger, and they died while they were evil-doers. (9:84) "And never (O Muhammad) pray for one of them who dieth, nor stand by his grave. Lo! they disbelieved in Allah and His messenger."

Don't pray for dead disbelievers or attend their funerals.

(9:85-87)

"Let not their wealth nor their children please thee! "

Those who refuse to fight for Allah will be treated (along with their children) as unbelievers.

9:85 Let not their wealth nor their children please thee! Allah purposeth only to punish them thereby in the world, and that their souls shall pass away while they are disbelievers.

9:86 And when a surah is revealed (which saith): Believe in Allah and strive along with His messenger, the men of wealth among them still ask leave of thee and say: Suffer us to be with those who sit (at home).

9:87 They are content that they should be with the useless and their hearts are sealed, so that they apprehend not.

9:88 But the messenger and those who believe with him strive with their wealth and their lives. Such are they for whom are the good things. Such are they who are the successful. (9:88) "Those who believe with him [Muhammad] strive with their wealth and their lives ... are the succeessful."

Those who fight for Islam with their lives and money are the successful. They will be rewarded by Allah.

9:89 Allah hath made ready for them Gardens underneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide. That is the supreme triumph.

9:90 And those among the wandering Arabs who had an excuse came in order that permission might be granted them. And those who lied to Allah and His messenger sat at home. A painful doom will fall on those of them who disbelieve. (9:90)

"A painful doom will fall on those of them who disbelieve."

Doom in the Quran

9:91 Not unto the weak nor unto the sick nor unto those who can find naught to spend is any fault (to be imputed though they stay at home) if they are true to Allah and His messenger. Not unto the good is there any road (of blame). Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

9:92 Nor unto those whom, when they came to thee (asking) that thou shouldst mount them, thou didst tell: I cannot find whereon to mount you. They turned back with eyes flowing with tears, for sorrow that they could not find the means to spend.

9:93 The road (of blame) is only against those who ask for leave of thee (to stay at home) when they are rich. They are content to be with the useless. Allah hath sealed their hearts so that they know not.

9:94 They will make excuse to you (Muslims) when ye return unto them. Say: Make no excuse, for we shall not believe you. Allah hath told us tidings of you. Allah and His messenger will see your conduct, and then ye will be brought back unto Him Who knoweth the Invisible as well as the Visible, and He will tell you what ye used to do.

9:95 They will swear by Allah unto you, when ye return unto them, that ye may let them be. Let them be, for lo! they are unclean, and their abode is hell as the reward for what they used to earn. (9:81-83)

"They are unclean, and their abode is hell."

Non-muslim who pretend to believe (so they won't be killed by Muslims) are unclean and will go to hell.

Hell in the Quran

9:96 They swear unto you, that ye may accept them. Though ye accept them. Allah verily accepteth not wrongdoing folk.

9:97 The wandering Arabs are more hard in disbelief and hypocrisy, and more likely to be ignorant of the limits which Allah hath revealed unto His messenger. And Allah is Knower, Wise. (9:97-98)

"The evil turn of fortune will be theirs."

The unbelieving Arabs will be punished by Allah with an evil fortune.

9:98 And of the wandering Arabs there is he who taketh that which he expendeth (for the cause of Allah) as a loss, and awaiteth (evil) turns of fortune for you (that he may be rid of it). The evil turn of fortune will be theirs. Allah is Hearer, Knower.

9:99 And of the wandering Arabs there is he who believeth in Allah and the Last Day, and taketh that which he expendeth and also the prayers of the messenger as acceptable offerings in the sight of Allah. Lo! verily it is an acceptable offering for them. Allah will bring them into His mercy. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

9:100 And the first to lead the way, of the Muhajirin and the Ansar, and those who followed them in goodness - Allah is well pleased with them and they are well pleased with Him, and He hath made ready for them Gardens underneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide for ever. That is the supreme triumph.

9:101 And among those around you of the wandering Arabs there are hypocrites, and among the townspeople of Al-Madinah (there are some who) persist in hypocrisy whom thou (O Muhammad) knowest not. We, We know them, and We shall chastise them twice; then they will be relegated to a painful doom. (9:101)

"We shall chastise them twice; then they will be relegated to a painful doom."

Doom in the Quran

9:102 And (there are) others who have acknowledged their faults. They mixed a righteous action with another that was bad. It may be that Allah will relent toward them. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

9:103 Take alms of their wealth, wherewith thou mayst purify them and mayst make them grow, and pray for them. Lo! thy prayer is an assuagement for them. Allah is Hearer, Knower. (9:103) "Take alms of their wealth."

Does Muhammad ask for a fee?

9:104 Know they not that Allah is He Who accepteth repentance from His bondmen and taketh the alms, and that Allah is He Who is the Relenting, the Merciful.

9:105 And say (unto them): Act! Allah will behold your actions, and (so will) His messenger and the believers, and ye will be brought back to the Knower of the Invisible and the Visible, and He will tell you what ye used to do.

9:106 And (there are) others who await Allah's decree, whether He will punish them or will forgive them. Allah is Knower, Wise.

9:107 And as for those who chose a place of worship out of opposition and disbelief, and in order to cause dissent among the believers, and as an outpost for those who warred against Allah and His messenger aforetime, they will surely swear: We purposed naught save good. Allah beareth witness that they verily are liars. (9:107) "They verily are liars."

Stay away from non-Muslims. They are all liars.

9:108 Never stand (to pray) there. A place of worship which was found upon duty (to Allah) from the first day is more worthy that thou shouldst stand (to pray) therein, wherein are men who love to purify themselves. Allah loveth the purifiers.

9:109 Is he who founded his building upon duty to Allah and His good pleasure better; or he who founded his building on the brink of a crumbling, overhanging precipice so that it toppled with him into the fire of hell ? Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk. (9:109) "Allah guideth not wrongdoing folk."

Those that ignore Allah will be thown into the fire of hell.

Hell and The Fire in the Quran

9:110 The building which they built will never cease to be a misgiving in their hearts unless their hearts be torn to pieces. Allah is Knower, Wise.

9:111 Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain. It is a promise which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Qur'an. Who fulfilleth His covenant better than Allah ? Rejoice then in your bargain that ye have made, for that is the supreme triumph. (9:111) "Believers ... shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain."

Believers must fight for Allah. They are bound to do so by the Torah, Gospel, and Quran. But Allah will reward them for it.

(9:111)

"Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth."

Does Muhammad ask for a fee?

9:112 (Triumphant) are those who turn repentant (to Allah), those who serve (Him), those who praise (Him), those who fast, those who bow down, those who fall prostrate (in worship), those who enjoin the right and who forbid the wrong and those who keep the limits (ordained) of Allah - And give glad tidings to believers!

9:113 It is not for the Prophet, and those who believe, to pray for the forgiveness of idolaters even though they may be near of kin (to them) after it hath become clear that they are people of hell-fire. (9:113) "It is not for the Prophet, and those who believe, to pray for the forgiveness of idolaters even though they may be near of kin after it hath become clear that they are people of hell-fire."

Don't pray for idolaters (not even for your family) after it is clear they are people of hell-fire.

Hell and The Fire in the Quran

(9:114) "When it had become clear unto him that he (his father) was an enemy to Allah he (Abraham) disowned him."

Abraham disowned his father for being an enemy of Allah.

(9:115) "It was never Allah's (part) that He should send a folk astray."

Does Allah lead people astray?

9:114 The prayer of Abraham for the forgiveness of his father was only because of a promise he had promised him, but when it had become clear unto him that he (his father) was an enemy to Allah he (Abraham) disowned him. Lo! Abraham was soft of heart, long-suffering.

9:115 It was never Allah's (part) that He should send a folk astray after He had guided them until He had made clear unto them what they should avoid. Lo! Allah is Aware of all things.

9:116 Lo! Allah! Unto Him belongeth the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth. He quickeneth and He giveth death. And ye have, instead of Allah, no protecting friend nor helper.

9:117 Allah hath turned in mercy to the Prophet, and to the Muhajirin and the Ansar who followed him in the hour of hardship. After the hearts of a party of them had almost swerved aside, then turned He unto them in mercy. Lo! He is Full of Pity, Merciful for them.

9:118 And to the three also (did He turn in mercy) who were left behind, when the earth, vast as it is, was straitened for them, and their own souls were straitened for them till they bethought them that there is no refuge from Allah save toward Him. Then turned He unto them in mercy that they (too) might turn (repentant unto Him). Lo! Allah! He is the Relenting, the Merciful.

9:119 O ye who believe! Be careful of your duty to Allah, and be with the truthful.

9:120 It is not for the townsfolk of Al-Madinah and for those around them of the wandering Arabs so stay behind the messenger of Allah and prefer their lives to his life. That is because neither thirst nor toil nor hunger afflicteth them in the way of Allah, nor step they any step that angereth the disbelievers, nor gain they from the enemy a gain, but a good deed is recorded for them therefor. Lo! Allah loseth not the wages of the good.

9:121 Nor spend they any spending, small or great, nor do they cross a valley, but it is recorded for them, that Allah may repay them the best of what they used to do.

9:122 And the believers should not all go out to fight. Of every troop of them, a party only should go forth, that they (who are left behind) may gain sound knowledge in religion, and that they may warn their folk when they return to them, so that they may beware.

9:123 O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him). (9:123)

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you."

Is each person be free to believe as he or she wishes?

9:124 And whenever a surah is revealed there are some of them who say: Which one of you hath thus increased in faith ? As for those who believe, it hath increased them in faith and they rejoice (therefor).

9:125 But as for those in whose hearts is disease, it only addeth wickedness to their wickedness, and they die while they are disbelievers. (9:125)

Disbelievers are wicked and have diseased hearts.

9:126 See they not that they are tested once or twice in every year ? Still they turn not in repentance, neither pay they heed.

9:127 And whenever a surah is revealed, they look one at another (as who should say): Doth anybody see you ? Then they turn away. Allah turneth away their hearts because they are a folk who understand not. (9:127) "Allah turneth away their hearts because they are a folk who understand not."

9:128 There hath come unto you a messenger, (one) of yourselves, unto whom aught that ye are overburdened is grievous, full of concern for you, for the believers full of pity, merciful.

9:129 Now, if they turn away (O Muhammad) say: Allah sufficeth me. There is no God save Him. In Him have I put my trust, and He is Lord of the Tremendous Throne.

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[Leonid]

Very powerful verses! One can learn how Islam values life and promotes peace, cooperation, friendship, mutual trust and respect with non-Muslims. And most important- I didn't quoted Jihad watch or some other filthy Zionist source. I quoted Allah himself!

See also http://prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Quotes.Islam

Edited March 14, 2010 by Leonid

[Libertarian Muslim]

Adonis "There's no such commedian.."

Clever guy!

But there are plenty of real Muslim comedians.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdqRNUSaj5w

and many many others

It's a lie.. Muslims are forbidden from having a sense of humor..

[Leonid]

"It's a lie.. Muslims are forbidden from having a sense of humor.."

They have it anyway, as many other things which are forbidden. Some of them even become friends with Jews and Christians, make deals with them, trust them and keep treaties with them.

[Libertarian Muslim]

"It's a lie.. Muslims are forbidden from having a sense of humor.."

They have it anyway, as many other things which are forbidden. Some of them even become friends with Jews and Christians, make deals with them, trust them and keep treaties with them.

All Zionist lies..

[Selene]

Ok, now that we got past the "your mother wears combat boots" part of this dog and pony show, I have a question...

Out of curiosity, do both Muslims and Jews have red blood?

If they do, all you have to do is make a blood oath and peace will explode across the land...

Adam

looking for common ground even if it is soaked in blood

[9thdoctor]

Adonis, could you provide a link or reference on the denial of the claim that Muhammad married a 9 year old? I’ve always seen that presented as an uncontroversial fact.

[Libertarian Muslim]

Very powerful verses! One can learn how Islam values life and promotes peace, cooperation, friendship, mutual trust and respect with non-Muslims. And most important- I didn't quoted Jihad watch or some other filthy Zionist source. I quoted Allah himself!

See also http://prophetofdoom.net/Islamic_Quotes.Islam

What did you quote? Do you even have an understanding of the verses that you copied and pasted? You also should be more careful with how you put your opinion in there because it doesn't really separate your opinion from the Qur'anic verses.

Perhaps you should try studying what you see there.. Rather than just copying and pasting and trying to comment on it without actually studying.. Otherwise you just seem ignorant..

Ok, now that we got past the "your mother wears combat boots" part of this dog and pony show, I have a question...

Out of curiosity, do both Muslims and Jews have red blood?

If they do, all you have to do is make a blood oath and peace will explode across the land...

Adam

looking for common ground even if it is soaked in blood

Israel has been offered that.. They won't accept

Adonis, could you provide a link or reference on the denial of the claim that Muhammad married a 9 year old? I’ve always seen that presented as an uncontroversial fact.

http://www.shia-nj.org/htm/Aisha%20Age1.1.pdf

[Robert Campbell]

Adonis,

You and many others may believe that such Qur'anic verses as 9:5 and 9:29 pertain only to a certain time and place.

Do all Muslims believe as you do?

If they don't, how do you and those who believe as you do go about persuading them not to take 9:5 as a command to wage aggressive war against non-Muslims right here and right now?

How do you persuade them that 9:29 doesn't make it religiously lawful for them to conquer a country in 2010 and reduce all non-Muslims in it to dhimmi status (or worse, if they're not Jewish or Christian)?

And who would you recommend as an expert sifter of reliable from unreliable ahadith?

Thank you for the pointer to the piece on A'isha not being a child bride. I see that it comes from a Shi'a site. Would Sunni Muslims be inclined to accept the arguments made in it?

And again, let's suppose that A'isha was 14 or older when married off to Muhammad. Given that not all Muslims believe this—and that they take her allegedly being 9 or even 6 when married off as proof that forcing underage girls into marriage is a divinely ordained institution—how do you go about convincing them otherwise?

Robert Campbell

PS. The Shi'a Muslim site in question (operated out of New Jersey) encourages its readers to join or support the Council on American-Islamic Relations. Do you agree or disagree with this recommendation?

[Libertarian Muslim]

You and many others may believe that such Qur'anic verses as 9:5 and 9:29 pertain only to a certain time and place.

Do all Muslims believe as you do?

No, not all Muslims do believe as I do, but the overwhelming majority believe as I do.. If that were not the case, we'd have overwhelmed your nations by now..

If they don't, how do you and those who believe as you do go about persuading them not to take 9:5 as a command to wage aggressive war against non-Muslims right here and right now?

How do you persuade them that 9:29 doesn't make it religiously lawful for them to conquer a country in 2010 and reduce all non-Muslims in it to dhimmi status (or worse, if they're not Jewish or Christian)?

Those who are believing incorrect things need education.. Proper Islamic education..

And who would you recommend as an expert sifter of reliable from unreliable ahadith?

I'll get back to you regarding this one.

Thank you for the pointer to the piece on A'isha not being a child bride. I see that it comes from a Shi'a site. Would Sunni Muslims be inclined to accept the arguments made in it?

Yes, most believe the same thing.

And again, let's suppose that A'isha was 14 or older when married off to Muhammad. Given that not all Muslims believe this—and that they take her allegedly being 9 or even 6 when married off as proof that forcing underage girls into marriage is a divinely ordained institution—how do you go about convincing them otherwise?

The majority of Muslims don't believe that forcing underage girls into marriage is a divinely ordained institution, in fact it goes against Islamic law as a whole and children can't accept contracts and marriage is a contract between two people. The only places that I know that this occurs are in Yemen, Kurdistan and Afghanistan.. These are rare in comparison to the population of Muslims around the world. In fact I'd dare say that this type of perversion occurs in the West in far greater numbers than it does in the Middle East.

PS. The Shi'a Muslim site in question (operated out of New Jersey) encourages its readers to join or support the Council on American-Islamic Relations. Do you agree or disagree with this recommendation?

I don't know enough about CAIR, although I find it curious knowing that CAIR doesn't allow 'Shia' to advertise with them.

[Mike11]

Just popping in to thank Adonis for educating us on Islam.