Pop songs Ayn would have loved


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Tonight I'm ripping and replacing speakers in our bedroom.

I'm playing random tracks to get the sound balanced and I come across this, from Rod Stewart, an album called Human:

I been lookin' in the mirror somethin's gettin' clearer

Wonderin' who am I

Just a chemical solution caught in evolution

Only livin' to survive

Or am I just another lifetime lookin' for a lifeline

Cryin' when the sun don't shine

Am I runnin' through the ghetto maybe I should let go

Of all the dreams inside

But who am I to reach so high

And who am I to raise my eyes

Want to live

I want to die

I can't do anything I'll tell you why

I'm the one who took a walk on the moon

And I made the seven wonders too

There is nothin' that I cannot do

Cause I am human

There is nothing that I cannot be

I'm the one who sailed the seven seas

And I know that it is all in me

Cause I am human

The blood that's runnin' through my veins

It tells me I'm the same as all the other ones gone by

In the air that I am breathin', emotions that I'm feelin'

Underneath the same blue sky

And I know if I believe it, then I can achieve it

Nothin's standin' in my way

Then maybe history will make a place for me

And I'll be livin' for that day

But who am I to reach so high

And who am I to raise my eyes

Want to live

I want to die

I can't do anything I'll tell you why

I'm the one who took a walk on the moon

And I made the seven wonders too

There is nothin' that I cannot do

Cause I am human

There is nothing that I cannot be

I'm the one who sailed the seven seas

And I know that it is all in me

Cause I am human

Not born to make mistakes, not born to fade away

Not only livin' to survive

Don't tell me I am nothin', know that I am somethin'

Brother, don't ya realise

I'm the one who took a walk on the moon

And I made the seven wonders too

There is nothin' that I cannot do

Cause I am human

There is nothing that I cannot be

I'm the one who sailed the seven seas

And I know that it is all in me

Cause I am human

This made me go listen to Chris De Burgh. Chris is a Christian mystic and I'm pretty sure his song The Getaway was Atlas Shrugged-inspired:

The moon is on bright side,

But we've thought of everything,

Send the word to the prisoners

Tonight, we getaway,

When you hear signs of confusion,

Come drifting through the door,

Get your belongings together,

Don't leave nothing behind,

And hey boys tonight we getaway,

To the other side,

Head for the wall and getaway;

We're sick and tired of hearing,

That the world is gonna blow,

So there's something we'll do to the leaders

Before we go;

Let's stick'em in a room together - Yeah!! -

And make them fight it out,

Until they see nothing from nothing

Will leave nothing at all,

And hey boys, tonight we getaway,

To the other side,

Head for the wall and getaway;

And hey boys, tonight we getaway,

To the other side,

Head for the wall and getaway;

Open the door - open the door - let me out - I wanna go -

Das ist auch unsere welt,

This is our world too,

Oui c'est notre monde aussi,

Hey boys, tonight we getaway,

To the other side,

Head for the wall and getaway;

"We'll give you anything you say"

Hey boys, tonight we getaway,

To the other side,

Head for the wall and getaway;

"We'll miss you more than we can say"

And, from Chris too, The Spirit of Man:

I'm chasing a shadow, I can't see a thing,

It's dipping and diving like a bird on the wing,

And every time I get near it just seems to slip away;

There's a fighter inside who will never give up,

We are what we are and it's never enough,

Write the words in the sand that this man will come again;

You may run from the sea, and the words disappear,

Oh you may fall to your knees,

But the power is here, to survive;

It's shining again,

It's shining again - the spirit of man,

It's shining again - the spirit of man;

Ah remember the first day of man on the moon,

The whole world was watching, a whole world in tune,

It was hard to believe he was the same as me and you;

Oh look back to the future and look down the years,

It wasn't all battles and bad news and tears,

We have brought to this place a desire to have a dream;

We may reach for the stars, and fall from the sky,

Oh in the darkest hour the spirit of man comes to life;

It's shining again - the spirit of man,

It's shining again - the spirit of man,

It's shining again - the spirit of man;

And we work - aha - for the good things that we can have,

Yea we work - aha - for the family and home,

Yea we work - aha - for the D-Mark and the dollar,

Yea we work - aha - for the woman on the phone,

Yea we work - aha - for that moment of elation,

Yea we work - aha - for a chance to get away,

And we work - aha - just to let imagination,

Come inside and take me away;

We may reach for the stars, and fall from the sky,

Ooh in the darkest hour the spirit of man comes to life;

It's shining again - the spirit of man,

What do you wish you could have loaded on Ayn's iPod?

Baby, we were born to run!

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And here is the song that Rand would most likely have hated:

-Dust in the Wind- by Kansas.

I close my eyes

Only for a moment, then the momen't gone

All my dreams

Pass before my eyes, a curiosity

Dust in the wind

All they are is dust in the wind Same old song

Just a drop of water in an endless sea

All we do

Crumbles to the ground, though we refuse to see

Dust in the wind

All we are is dust in the wind, ohh Now, don't hang on

Nothing lasts forever but the earth and sky

It slips away

And all your money won't another minute buy

Dust in the wind

All we are is dust in the wind

All we are is dust in the wind Dust in the wind

Everything is dust in the wind

Everything is dust in the wind

The wind

Ba'al Chatzaf

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And here is the song that Rand would most likely have hated:

-Dust in the Wind- by Kansas.

My girlfriend and I still argue about this song. I (despite actually liking the song) consider it nihilistic. She says it's just about realistically recognizing that life is short and a 'carpe diem' attitude.

Of course, I get back at her with my argument that Harry Chapin's 'Cats in the Cradle' is really a song extolling pride and independence, even proudly claiming at the end 'He'd grown up just like me; my boy was just like me!' :)

Aaron

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"Kill the poor," by the Dead Kennedys. :lol:

Robert-

It's damned hard to be an Objectivist who likes punk. I grew up liking a lot of DK, Dead Milkmen, Sex Pistols, and newer more poppish such as Bad Religion, NoFX, etc. from high school and college, and still like it as formative and for nostalgia - yet hate most any messages in the songs. The only DK I can remember that *might* actually be reasonable for Objectivists is 'Holiday in Cambodia' which mocks American leftists who'd defend Cambodian communism. It seemed out of place in a way with DK's general leftism.

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It's My Life by Bon Jovi

This ain't a song for the brokenhearted

No silent prayer for the faith departed

And I ain't gonna be just a face in the crowd

You're gonna hear my voice when I shout it out loud

It's my life

It's now or never

I ain't gonna live forever

I just wanna live while I'm alive

(It's my life)

My heart is like an open highway

Like Frankie said, "I did it my way"

I just wanna live while I'm alive

'Cause it's my life

This is for the ones who stood their ground

For Tommy and Gina who never backed down

Tomorrow's getting harder, make no mistake

Luck ain't even lucky, gotta make your own breaks

It's my life

And it's now or never

I ain't gonna live forever

I just wanna live while I'm alive

(It's my life)

My heart is like an open highway

Like Frankie said, "I did it my way"

I just wanna live while I'm alive

'Cause it's my life

You better stand tall

When they're calling you out

Don't bend, don't break

Baby, don't back down

It's my life

It's now or never

'Cause I ain't gonna live forever

I just wanna live while I'm alive

(It's my life)

My heart is like an open highway

Like Frankie said, "I did it my way"

I just wanna live while I'm alive

(It's my life)

And it's now or never

I ain't gonna live forever

I just wanna live while I'm alive

(It's my life)

My heart is like an open highway

Like Frankie said, "I did it my way"

I just wanna live while I'm alive

'Cause it's my life!

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This thread has taken a wrong turn. People are recommending songs on grounds of the didactic messages they preach, a move Rand would never have made. Her criteria were sense of life first and technical quality second. These are songs; listen to the music.

The only one that even might pass the test is Downtown in #3. I don't know if, literally, AR liked this song or not (seems to me she would have said so if she did), but at least the suggestion is on sense-of-life grounds.

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This thread has taken a wrong turn. People are recommending songs on grounds of the didactic messages they preach, a move Rand would never have made. Her criteria were sense of life first and technical quality second. These are songs; listen to the music.

The only one that even might pass the test is Downtown in #3. I don't know if, literally, AR liked this song or not (seems to me she would have said so if she did), but at least the suggestion is on sense-of-life grounds.

Reidy:

I have been confused by this thread for a while.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hf9LE-szhM0

I happen to love Petula's music. Above is her appearance on Ed Sullivan. Do you really think Ayn would have liked this?

Adam

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David:

Trust me on this one. There is no chance. Zero percent that Ayn would like either the lyrics or the music.

In fact, her dislike would approach absolute zero which is 0K on the Kelvin scale and as −273.16°C on the Celsius scale.

Adam

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David:

Trust me on this one. There is no chance. Zero percent that Ayn would like either the lyrics or the music.

In fact, her dislike would approach absolute zero which is 0K on the Kelvin scale and as −273.16°C on the Celsius scale.

Adam

Quite right, when I say "may" I only placed 2 cents on what I said because no two Objectivist minds are alike unless one affirms it. Would she even like pop(ular) songs?

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This thread has taken a wrong turn. People are recommending songs on grounds of the didactic messages they preach, a move Rand would never have made. Her criteria were sense of life first and technical quality second. These are songs; listen to the music.

The only one that even might pass the test is Downtown in #3. I don't know if, literally, AR liked this song or not (seems to me she would have said so if she did), but at least the suggestion is on sense-of-life grounds.

Well put, Reidy.

Bill P

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David:

Trust me on this one. There is no chance. Zero percent that Ayn would like either the lyrics or the music.

In fact, her dislike would approach absolute zero which is 0K on the Kelvin scale and as −273.16°C on the Celsius scale.

Adam

Quite right, when I say "may" I only placed 2 cents on what I said because no two Objectivist minds are alike unless one affirms it. Would she even like pop(ular) songs?

David:

I talked to the bookmaker and she agreed to give you your two (2) cents back with instructions to wager more carefully in the future! She is a redhead too!

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Adam

amusing himself and glad 9th Dr. led by example

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I actually tend to think Rand would have hated almost all music I like, but am just trying to note songs I like that I think actually reflect positive values.

One obligatory head-nod to Rush. Obviously their 'Free Will', 'Tom Sawyer', 'Trees', etc. fit well with Objectivist values, though I'm just not a big fan of their music.

Whether you'd consider it 'pop' now or not, another obligatory mention of Frank Sinatra's 'My Way'. Beautiful and an unbeatable celebration of independence with no regrets.

One more obscure (cannot call it 'pop') song I love which always leaves me charged up with a sense of life is 'Fields of Athenry'. This has been done by a number of Irish performers such as the Dubliners, but almost always as a slow, sad melody of defeat. However, it comes into its own as done by the Irish punk band Dropkick Murphy's, with a righteous sense of anger and defiance:

By a lonely prison wall,

I heard a young girl calling

Michael, they have taken you away,

For you stole Trevelyan's corn,

So the young might see the morn.

Now a prison ship lies waiting in the bay.

Low lie the fields of Athenry

Where once we watched the small free birds fly

Our love was on the wing, we had dreams and songs to sing

It's so lonely 'round the fields of Athenry.

By a lonely prison wall,

I heard a young man calling

Nothing matters, Mary, when you're free

Against the famine and the Crown,

I rebelled, they cut me down.

Now you must raise our child with dignity.

Low lie the fields of Athenry

Where once we watched the small free birds fly

Our love was on the wing, we had dreams and songs to sing

It's so lonely 'round the fields of Athenry.

By a lonely harbor wall,

she watched the last star falling

As that prison ship sailed out against the sky

Sure she'll wait and hope and pray,

for her love in Botany Bay

It's so lonely 'round the fields of Athenry.

It's so lonely 'round the fields of Athenry.

Low lie the fields of Athenry

Where once we watched the small free birds fly

Our love was on the wing, we had dreams and songs to sing

It's so lonely 'round the fields of Athenry.

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amusing himself and glad 9th Dr. led by example

Moi? I haven’t posted yet on this thread, I’m just not much of a pop music buff. Besides, this is just speculation tinged with idolatry. What did Rand actually like? Here’s a website which has some “Tiddlywink” numbers on it:

http://www.dismuke.org/aynrand/selections.html

Here’s a couple of these tunes from YouTube:

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My one living grandparent is well into her 90’s, and devoutly Catholic. She loves Laurence Welk. The most recent time I saw her I took out my iphone and did a youtube search for Laurence Welk, and played the first thing that came up. Her face lit up, she whooped, stood, and danced some jitterbug moves as best she’s still able. To speculate that she’d like this or that other music (Catholic Rock? Is there such a thing?) is useless, she doesn’t. Same goes for AR.

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9th:

Context baby context!

I was justifying my use of, gifs, icons lions

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You were the leader that showed me the way!

Adam

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I'd like to take this opportunity to thank the Wet Blanket Committee (previously the Objectivist Bed-Wetters Club) for once again demonstrating the finely honed art of GOB (Gratuitous Objectivist Buzz-kill). I feel well and truly GOB-smacked.

I asked people to nominate pop songs Rand might have liked and the first response was to offer a song she'd have hated. Isn't that ironic? Don'tcha think?

Followed by general grey-poopon denigration of the few who actually tried to play the game lightheartedly.

I'm going to go listen to Garbage. I do loves me some Shirley Manson. I'll crank "I'm Only Happy When It Rains" up to 11 and toast ya'll ya'll.

Im only happy when it rains

Im only happy when its complicated

And though I know you cant appreciate it

Im only happy when it rains

You know I love it when the news is bad

Why it feels so good to feel so sad

Im only happy when it rains

Pour your misery down

Pour your misery down on me

Im only happy when it rains

I feel good when things are going wrong

I only listen to the sad, sad songs

Im only happy when it rains

I only smile in the dark

My only comfort is the night gone black

I didnt accidentally tell you that

Im only happy when it rains

Youll get the message by the time Im through

When I complain about me and you

Im only happy when it rains

Pour your misery down...pour your misery down

You can keep me company

As long as you dont care

Im only happy when it rains

You want to hear about my new obsession

Im riding high upon a deep depression

Im only happy when it rains...pour some misery down on me

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general grey-poopon denigration of the few who actually tried to play the game lightheartedly.

I stand by my post. I provided pop songs she actually did like. Perhaps you should have spelled out the rules of the game better, as it is, you asked for songs Rand would have liked if she weren’t Rand. Maybe try “Pop songs with themes consonant with (or better, specific to) Objectivism”.

Anyway, for fun, here’s some recommended music for a few other philosophers:

I bet Heraclitus would have loved this:

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Bare tits on YouTube, what’s the world coming to?

For St. Augustine:

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1200 years too late, but what the hell? We're free to speculate.

Here’s something St. Thomas Aquinas would have liked:

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I bet this was what he had playing while he was flying around Notre Dame. This piece is actually contemporary with him, when he was in Paris.

And finally, here’s one for Wittgenstein:

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He’d have been less of a grump if he would have cut loose like that.

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This actually could be fun, to pick music to go with the philosopher.

Here’s one for Bakunin:

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The announcer even says so, if you can stand to listen to the end. I think one of the band members is wearing a picture of Marx, but it could be Bakunin, they’re hard to tell apart at a distance.

Nietzsche:

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This was premiered in 1896, Nietzsche was still alive, but no longer responsive. I don’t know if he ever heard it, it’s doubtful.

Back to Rand, I think it was Peikoff who reported somewhere that this was her all around favourite:

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Try here to find some more music she liked: http://www.objectivistliving.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=7631&view=findpost&p=79235

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I don't recall his source, but Roger Bissell has told me that Ayn Rand disliked "Here's That Rainy Day" because it supposedly "has no melody."

Here is a version by the great jazz guitarist Barney Kessel. Judge for yourself.

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You know, with its explicit “tolerance” for improvisation, Jazz recreates the Heraclition metaphysics even better than that awful John Cage thing I posted yesterday. Indeed, one “cannot step twice into the same river” with one of these doped out Jazzers as guide. In this piece here, observe how all rational values are undercut, all the way through to the evocation of nihistic hopelessness in the title, So What?

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Alright, I now remove tongue from cheek.

A funny (and stupid) anecdote, I was at Florida State when John Cage died, and some smart-ass music composition major did an “orchestral arrangement” of 4’33 and had it “performed” as part of a tribute concert. At least the horn section didn’t make a bloody pulp of it, which is more than I can say of a performance I attended of the Bruckner 4th.

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ND,

If you want my idea of really good jazz, watch this. Recorded in 1956, this is probably my favorite jazz video on YouTube. It features some of the greatest names in the history of jazz (and especially West Coast Jazz), including Gerry Mulligan (bs), Zoot Sims (ts), and Bob Brookmeyer (vtb). In one of our many email exchanges about jazz, Roger Bissell once remarked that Gerry Mulligan "oozed musicality." I couldn't have put it better myself.

So just put on your beret and grab a book by Jack Kerouac, and you'll be all set to listen to this tune. 8-)

Ghs

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My Jazz preferences tend towards…whew, there’s no way to put it that’s not politically incorrect: black heroin addicts, be they on or off the wagon. Miles, Trane, Mingus, Monk, then branch out from there. Cannonball, Rollins, even Bird. I’m not sure all of them used smack, but I think most did. They shot up, so we don’t have to. I do like Getz and Bill Evans, but for example Brubeck I find boring. Oh well, to each his own, besides these things are subject to change over time. I used to hate Indian music (and food), now I love them.

I guess this one goes out to Gautama Buddha, sitting under the Bo-tree.

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I think I’ll go pop on Monk’s Dream.

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I think Ayn would have liked Pop songs that had an overt romantic theme, like the Carpenters “Close To You,” even though it mentions “the angels got together and decided to create a dream come true.” And “Friendly Persuasion,” sung by Pat Boone with the refrain, “I love thee,” is beautiful.

For that matter Burt Bacharach’s ‘Say a Little Prayer,” sung by Dionne Warwick is pure romanticism. When you feel romantic love, especially for the first time, you think about that person a dozen times a day. And Rand would have liked this becomes of its musicality. I can imagine her as loving to sing along with the radio, and spoof the lyrics “say a little prayer.”

In the same reverse, non-musical sense, I dislike Ann Coulter because of her book title, “Godless.” Sure I am “godless” but the word has connotations of the Inquisition and pogroms.

As for Jazz, Ayn might have liked, the rational yet innovative, Dave Brubeck’s “Take Five,” and “The Charlie Brown Theme,” by Vince Guaraldi. And the Duke’s “Take the A Train.” I know this for a made-up fact because I like those jazz standards and she and I are simpatico.

Semper cogitans fidele,

Peter Taylor

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