Selene Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Factual correction: Glenn Beck is a libertarian-conservative. He is the host of the third most listened to radio show in America. A converted Mormon. He also, has given Ron Paul full access to both his radio and cable television show.Just this morning, Glenn Beck told everyone in his audience that they must read Atlas Shrugged which he read ten years ago and stated flatly that this is the most important book for everyone to read.He then went on to compare O'Bama's current socialist program, which O'ama masks under the guise of "progressive", which, if you research the "progressive" movement in America, it was basically national socialism, to particular pages in Atlas Shrugged that he underlined ten years ago, explaining that this is the program that O'Bama wants to put in place in America.He concluded that it is time to start looking for Galt's Gulch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjw Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Factual correction:I don't see what the "correction" was, but it was good stuff anyway.Shayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjw Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 I think Perigo has this right:http://www.solopassion.com/node/4228#comment-48725Shayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 I think Perigo has this right:Shayne,You mean the part about Objectivist presenters having sticks up their asses?Inspiring...Rational passion...What rhetorical grandeur!Gimme a break!Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjw Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 I think Perigo has this right:Shayne,You mean the part about Objectivist presenters having sticks up their asses?I mean the part about having passion as well as using reason. I don't know which Objectivist presenters he's talking about so I can't comment on that part.Shayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 I think Perigo has this right:http://www.solopassion.com/node/4228#comment-48725ShayneDid I miss something? I hadn't heard that Obama was expressing the type of "passion" that Linz advocates. Has Obama been calling his campaign staff "scumbags" lately? Has he been calling members of his own party "slimy, swamp-dwelling, arse-licking pusballs" and screaming "fuck off" when they politely ask him about his views?J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Shayne,So you agree with what this Bozo says and not what he does?Or do you think that saying that Objectivist presenters have sticks up their asses is, to use your words, "having passion as well as using reason"?I, for one, don't think words should be cut off from deeds. If you preach one thing, you should live it. That Bozo does not.You are free to admire him as a good Objectivist if you like.Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjw Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 I don't understand why you guys are reading more into what I said than what I said. I think the idea of rational passion as an ideal is correct. I don't agree with how Perigo implements this credo. I don't think he's rational. But it's a great credo.Shayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Shayne,Why not cite someone who is not a hypocrite? Or do you wish us to be inspired by you pointing to that Bozo as the good?Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjw Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Shayne,Why not cite someone who is not a hypocrite?MichaelLike who?Or do you wish us to be inspired by you pointing to that Bozo as the good?If someone says something I agree with I tend to support what they said regardless of who said it. So no, I don't care about who you are inspired by.Shayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 Shayne,It is obvious you do not care about convincing anyone.So why bother discussing? Do you get value out this? Does it make you feel good or something?Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjw Posted February 20, 2008 Share Posted February 20, 2008 (edited) Shayne,It is obvious you do not care about convincing anyone.What's patently false can't be obvious.So why bother discussing? Do you get value out this? Does it make you feel good or something?Your questions stem from a bogus premise.All I'm seeing is that you're sensitive to Perigo. Your responses make no sense otherwise. I don't blame you, but you should get enough of a grip on yourself to recognize that not everyone has the same emotional response as you.Edit: I wasn't trying to draw your ire, I didn't recognize that the word "Perigo" would cause you to react as you're doing, but now that I have, I have to say that I have absolutely no sympathy for you. I just happened on that post of Perigo's and thought it was relevant to my points above. I wasn't trying to get a rise out of you. Yet you keep trying to ascribe hidden motives to me as if I was trying to piss you off or something. I realize I pissed you off, I don't care that I did, I see that as your problem not mine, but I wasn't trying to.Shayne Edited February 20, 2008 by sjw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 I don't understand why you guys are reading more into what I said than what I said. I think the idea of rational passion as an ideal is correct. I don't agree with how Perigo implements this credo. I don't think he's rational. But it's a great credo.ShayneOh. Sorry. I assumed that you were agreeing with Perigo's concept of "passion."J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 Shayne:Since you recognized that my "factual" post had some merit.Would you permit me to ask you some direct factual questions as to your age?Mine is 61.Your educational backround?Mine is that I graduated H.S. at the age of 16 in 1962.Adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjw Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 Shayne:Since you recognized that my "factual" post had some merit.Would you permit me to ask you some direct factual questions as to your age?Mine is 61.Your educational backround?Mine is that I graduated H.S. at the age of 16 in 1962.AdamLast time you asked for personal information it was to "stipulate" that I was a white male and to my locale. Should I find the fact that you keep inquiring about my personal stats and in legalistic terms disturbing in any way?Shayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 Shayne:Since you recognized that my "factual" post had some merit.Would you permit me to ask you some direct factual questions as to your age?Mine is 61.Your educational backround?Mine is that I graduated H.S. at the age of 16 in 1962.AdamLast time you asked for personal information it was to "stipulate" that I was a white male and to my locale. Should I find the fact that you keep inquiring about my personal stats and in legalistic terms disturbing in any way?ShayneYou can choose to be "disturbed" any way you wish, it it still a semi-free country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 Shayne,You blast Krauthammer sight unseen, then call him part of a moral vacuum after reading him even though your later statements echo what he wrote, then expect me to swallow your lofty praise of Perigo as some kind of virtue.I see a big honking double standard here and it is entirely subjective to you whims.Gimmee a BIG break!I will let Perigo be your poster-boy for Objectivism. To me he gives lip-service only to Objectivist ideals while cultivating a personality cult. But, hey. We all set our own standards. If lip service and whim are good enough for you, go for it. They are not good enough for me.Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjw Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 Shayne,You blast Krauthammer sight unseen,Actually I'd seen him before, as I said.then call him part of a moral vacuum after reading him even though your later statements echo what he wrote,What statement?then expect me to swallow your lofty praise of Perigo as some kind of virtue.You're disconnected from reality. I did no such thing.I see a big honking double standard here and it is entirely subjective to you whims.I see someone who needs to chill out, calm down, stop drinking--or start. You're way whacked out tonight. I have never seen you so detached from reality.Gimmee a BIG break!I will let Perigo be your poster-boy for Objectivism. To me he gives lip-service only to Objectivist ideals while cultivating a personality cult. But, hey. We all set our own standards. If lip service and whim are good enough for you, go for it. They are not good enough for me.MichaelLet me know when you come back to Planet Earth. You're talking like a zany cultist--the cult of the anti-Perigo. Is that what this site is? For Perigo bashers? So that anyone who recognizes even a smidgen of positive in something he wrote is branded a heretic? You're an anti-idol worshipper!If this is truly what OL is about, then come out and say it, put it in your posting guidelines that saying anything positive about anything related to Perigo will result in being banned or ridden out on a rail or some such.I'm no fan of Perigo but your irrational foaming at the mouth over him certainly makes me think twice about it.Shayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 Shayne,You agreed with Krauthammer when you claimed: "We have a basically anti-reality candidate who is also moving people to fervor." That's the whole point of Krauthammer's article, although you disagree with the danger this represents.I am beginning to notice that saying nasty things gets far more attention than saying intelligent things. But this crap is boring me. I am bowing out for a while. I am getting behind in my projects and for what? Bickering over you praising Perigo?Keeriiiiiiiiiiiiist!That's really messed up.The floor is yours. Have a ball.Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 Shayne:Point. Game. Match. Set. - Your personal thin coated metro sexual persona is slowly being eviscerated here. Time to adjust dude.Adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjw Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 Shayne,You agreed with Krauthammer when you claimed: "We have a basically anti-reality candidate who is also moving people to fervor." That's the whole point of Krauthammer's article, although you disagree with the danger this represents.I disagree with the implication that passion or fervor is inherently dangerous--it depends on what the passion is directed at.I am beginning to notice that saying nasty things gets far more attention than saying intelligent things. But this crap is boring me. I am bowing out for a while. I am getting behind in my projects and for what? Bickering over you praising Perigo?Keeriiiiiiiiiiiiist!That's really messed up.The floor is yours. Have a ball.MichaelIt's your forum, I'll just bow out.Shayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 Shayne:Taking your marbles and going home?Adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aggrad02 Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 Shayne:Point. Game. Match. Set. - Your personal thin coated metro sexual persona is slowly being eviscerated here. Time to adjust dude.Adam??????Ok, you lost me there, can you clarify.Thanks,Dustan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selene Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 My infantile amusement with Shayne's deficiencies in argument and critical thinking. I have found that most of the folks on this forum will give /provide people with "hot" or "passionate" opinions the space to develope their arguments. However, there comes a point wherein folks just throw up their hands and say "no mas". So my poor tennis metaphor should be disregarded. lolAdam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Grieb Posted February 21, 2008 Share Posted February 21, 2008 If Shayne has left us I will not be missing him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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