August 6, 1945 and August 9, 1945

[BaalChatzaf]

On these auspicious dates the usefulness and practicality of tactical nuclear weapons were established. Two fission bombs scared the living be-Jesus out of the 432nd incarnate descendant of the Goddess Amaratsu. Hirohito, the God King of Japan decided enough was enough. That little monkey shit in his pants.

The Japanese Bushido fanatics who would have fought off a conventional invasion for the next two to three years with tens of millions of casualties (making the Great War seem like a Sunday school picnic) were convinced that it was time to surrender and let the gaijin occupy their sacred soil. Think of the fireball and the blast as -our- Divine Wind.

What have we learned? Nukes work! Not only in the engineering sense, but in the political and military sense. We can bring any power to heel if we drop a sufficient number of nukes on them. Either they surrender and obey us or they will all end up dead. In either case we win!

That last one standing is the Winner.

Ba'al Chatzaf

[Barbara Branden]

Either they surrender and obey us or they will all end up dead. In either case we win! That last one standing is the Winner.

Ah, yes, so much for the sanctity of human life. Let's all celebrate the new and shining virtue of "obedience" by dropping nuclear bombs with gay abandon on "little monkeys" everywhere. Let's wade in a universe of blood and agony. Let's bring the whole world to heel and show it that the Holocaust was child's play.

There are few people in this world quite as bloodthirsty as an Objectivist fundamentalist.

Barbara

[Brant Gaede]

Either they surrender and obey us or they will all end up dead. In either case we win! That last one standing is the Winner.

Ah, yes, so much for the sanctity of human life. Let's all celebrate the new and shining virtue of "obedience" by dropping nuclear bombs with gay abandon on "little monkeys" everywhere. Let's wade in a universe of blood and agony. Let's bring the whole world to heel and show it that the Holocaust was child's play.

There are few people in this world quite as bloodthirsty as an Objectivist fundamentalist.

Barbara,

If Bob were an Objectivist I'd leave OL. That he's not is his only grace on these issues.

--Brant

[Dragonfly]

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[BaalChatzaf]

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There are few people in this world quite as bloodthirsty as an Objectivist fundamentalist.

Barbara

Objectivist? Moi? I march to the beat of -my- drum, not Ayn Rand's.

Apparently the lessons of WW2 and in particular the Pacific War have eluded you.

There is an old Klingon Saying: When you bite, bite deeply.

There is another old Klingon Saying: Revenge is a dish best eaten cold.

Those bastards bombed us on Dec 7, 1941. Less than four years later we fixed them real good! If thine enemy smite thee on thy cheek, rip his head off and shit down his neck.

Ba'al Chatzaf

[Wolf DeVoon]

Seems to me that first-strike nuclear genocide can wait another year. Let's see if there's a US general election first, consent of the governed and all that.

W.

[BaalChatzaf]

Seems to me that first-strike nuclear genocide can wait another year. Let's see if there's a US general election first, consent of the governed and all that.

W.

I think you have a point. Also the genocide can wait until al Quedah strikes again, right here in the U.S.. They will justify the act for us. Even if a Democrat wins, I think we will come up with the right move. After all Roosevelt was a pinko stinko commie loving liberal but he fought the WW2 well enough. Truman was a Democrat (and an ex artillery officer) and he made the right decision about using the A-bomb.

Ba'al Chatzaf

[Brant Gaede]

In the context of WWII the bombings of Japan were justified. There was no justification for Japan's rape of Nanking in the 30s which killed more Chinese than any single bombing of Japan killed Japanese. However, the US provoked Japan into attacking it at Pearl Harbor, which may have been geopolitical genius, to get the US into the war against Hitler.

The alternative, basically, aside from invasion, and there would have been no invasion without all out bombing, was a naval blockade which could have killed millions of Japanese from starvation.

The firebombings of certain German cities were much more problematic, especially toward the end of the war. But if you are fighting an all out war you use what you have; you are not nice. The Brits didn't have a lot of men for an army, but they had aircraft bomber production. They devoted 25% of their usable wealth to manufacturing airplanes which they sent against Germany. Lacking accurate bomb-sights and fighter protection, they concentrated on night bombings of cities. The US Army Air Force concentrated on precision daylight bombing. US loses were horrific and unsustainable until the arrival of long range fighter protection.

The Brits so exhausted themselves with WWII and post-war socialism that they ultimately ended up economically worse off than defeated Germany (and Japan). They were also cursed with an old industrial base. The defeated had to rebuild almost everything.

WWII was countries vrs. countries. The idea of using a country to destroy a people (Muslim enemies) is simply genocidal. It's what the Nazis tried to do with too great a success. The idea that there is no objective morality and we can therefore turn off our consciousnesses like throwing a light switch if we would only understand this--and dehumanize our "enemies"--paves the way for the genocide to be directed by our magnificent leaders.

Rejecting objectivity in philosophy and morality means fundamentally embracing anything collectivist at all, including Nazism or fascism or socialism or communism, etc. It is an absolute rejection of Israel, the United States and the West generally. "What does it profit a man ...."

--Brant

Edited August 6, 2007 by Brant Gaede

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

Bob,

I repeat my question. Have you done anything except discuss the morality of wholesale killing on Internet boards about your enemies?

You do talk big. Is there any there there? Or is it just all empty wind?

Michael