Chris Grieb Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 Victor; I hate to be spoil sport about Guess Who's Coming to Dinner but I find it a terribly 60ths movie. I watched it recently and find it awful. The daughter comes across as not having a brain in her head. The mother has a woman who has worked for her for over ten years and finally finds out the woman is a bigot. Spencer Tracy's last speech is good and well done but the movie doesn't wear well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Pross Posted February 18, 2007 Author Share Posted February 18, 2007 (edited) Victor; I hate to be spoil sport about Guess Who's Coming to Dinner but I find it a terribly 60ths movie. I watched it recently and find it awful. The daughter comes across as not having a brain in her head. The mother has a woman who has worked for her for over ten years and finally finds out the woman is a bigot. Spencer Tracy's last speech is good and well done but the movie doesn't wear well.Chris, For shame! Of course a great deal of subjectivity goes into ones taste in movies, and your criticism is noted…but they seem rather minor to the overall spirit of what the movie is about: Here is a man, Spencer Tracy’s character, who is a “free-thinking liberal” and his principles are put to the test! Will this good man have the courage to live up to his stated principles? Inner conflict is a great plot-devise in terms of plot conflict. (There is, of course, much outer conflict). I like the movie because its message is not that love is blind, but rather: color blind. It certainly was a windfall for race relations when made in 1967. Good movies—like good art—are timeless; they are not a loaf of bead that expires after a certain date. They are timeless if they deal with universal themes, and love and inner conflict are universal. But to address your critique: what you took to be the air-headedness of the daughter, I took to be a blasé indifference to everybody’s “concern” about her dating a black man. I loved that about her. They can love it or leave it. She was in love, and that is all that mattered, period. About the maid: hey, I still learn new things about people I have known for ten tens—let alone employees whose inner baggage I don’t really care about. :turned: -Victor Edited February 18, 2007 by Victor Pross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dailey Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 ~ What *I* loved about GUESS WHO'S COMING TO DINNER? was Poitier's telling off his father about what the father owed Poitier, the son, after the father lectured him about what he owed his long-struggling retired mailman father. --- Apart from the 'bubbly' personality of Poitier's fiance, yes, she was kind of bland; but, the movie really wasn't about them! They were the catalysts for Tracy (a conflicted 'liberal' in the movie) and Hepburn's decisions...for the '60's, true. But, it's not that 'dated'; it applies now as well, I'd say. Check the news...and some other recent 'race'-problem-oriented movies. --- As an interesting and quite coincidental aside, my wife never saw it and has been asking me to find it for her after someone else mentioned it to her a month ago.~ I repeat: check out ROBIN AND MARIAN; good 'date' flick. Keep the kleenex box next to you for *her*. (Audrey/Marian is NOT a *nice* nun! Ntl, she's a loving one. She knows how to create a 'legend'!)LLAPJ:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dailey Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 ~ I'm sure Rich meant Zefferelli's (which I mentioned) version. The fad of 'contemporizing' can only go so far even for 'timeless' masterpieces, as the dumb remake (with DiCapprio) showed. Some things should be left unchanged. --- They tried the same thing with 'updating' the opera CARMEN (yes, there's a 'movie' version); flopperooney, man! ('Course, I'm probably biased; it's my favorite opera. Actually, the only one I really like, to tell the truth.)~ Rich, I do believe facetiously, mentioned BEHIND THE GREEN DOOR. Well, this is the 'romantic' thread, presumably meant in terms of 'significant-other' romanticism, yet...technically in the broad, general 'aesthetic' sense, I'm tempted to agree with him (er, his referencing it, anyway); but, this point probably belongs in the Aesthetics sub-forum, so, I'll bring it up there. ~ Question: Does anyone know of a 'significant-other' type...so-called 'porn' film? Or, is that an oxymoronic idea? (Maybe this question belongs in that other forum also?)LLAPJ:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAMF Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 ~ Question: Does anyone know of a 'significant-other' type...so-called 'porn' film?Emmanuel in Space. LAWL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dailey Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 ~ Ok. This isn't exactly a 'movie', but, down the line of 'significant-other' Romanticism...in visual stories...any thoughts on the defunct Mark Dacascos 1-season TV series (NOT the movie) THE CROW?LLAPJ:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Grieb Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 (edited) Victor; The woman was not a maid she was Christine's co-worker at her art gallery. I really think she would caught on to the fact that after over ten years she was a bigot. Another point is the young couple is not going to stay around San Francisco but go back to Africa where no one will have to deal with the marriage. I liked the movie when Guess came out but it has not wore well. Edited February 18, 2007 by Chris Grieb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Pross Posted February 18, 2007 Author Share Posted February 18, 2007 Chris, I'm really curious to know what your feed-back on Chaplin's City Lights would be. If you haven't seen it....you must! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judith Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 My God, Judith, you don't know what a mullet is? You are deprived, my friend.Business on top, party in the back. My god -- it's exactly the opposite of what I assumed it was. I've always thought that those haircuts where they have kind of a mushroom-like long, smooth cut on top, but cut off blunt-like and shaved completely at the bottom were mullets.Thanks, Kori --after all these years, I finally know!Judith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAMF Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 That is so my pleasure, Judith. I am honored to introduce the mullet into anyone's life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judith Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 That is so my pleasure, Judith. I am honored to introduce the mullet into anyone's life.So, Kori, can you visualize that other haircut I'm describing? If so, what's that one called? The un-mullet? The anti-mullet? The mushroom?Judith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAMF Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 I can kind of visualize it, but I don't know the name of it. Do you mean like they have a bowl cut kind of thing and then their head is shaved underneath that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judith Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 I can kind of visualize it, but I don't know the name of it. Do you mean like they have a bowl cut kind of thing and then their head is shaved underneath that? Yeah, that's it! But it's not a bowl cut, because a bowl cut is a kind of page boy.Judith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Grieb Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 Victor; I haven't seen City Lights but I will try too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danneskjold Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 I accompanied my friend and his probable girlfriend-to-be to Music and Lyrics today. It was actually pretty good. A lot of dry humor which was right down my alley, even if it was a chick flick. I would have rather seen Hannibal Rising though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dailey Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 (edited) ~ Skipping over the hair-style biz, (well, there is Britney's latest shaved look, but...) for 'traditional' I forgot to add ARABESQUE (Peck and Loren) and CHARADE (Carey Grant and A. Hepburn.)LLAPJ:D Edited February 18, 2007 by John Dailey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Pross Posted February 18, 2007 Author Share Posted February 18, 2007 ~ Skipping over the hair-style biz, (well, there is Britney's latest shaved look, but...) for 'traditional' I forgot to add ARABESQUE (Peck and Loren) and CHARADE (Carey Grant and A. Hepburn.)LLAPJ:DYes, let's skip the hair--unless we're talking about the play or the movie. John, Carry Grant has played in a lot of romantic comedies. Good choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Grieb Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 (edited) Victor; The name is "Cary" one "r" no "e". I hope you will consider this a gentle correction. Charade and North by Northwest are Cary Grant's most romantic films. Edited February 18, 2007 by Chris Grieb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Pross Posted February 19, 2007 Author Share Posted February 19, 2007 Victor; The name is "Cary" one "r" no "e". I hope you will consider this a gentle correction. Charade and North by Northwest are Cary Grant's most romantic films.Thank you, Chris. I should know better how to spell a favorite movie star of mine—and I’m yet to draw or paint a picture of Grant.My favorite romantic comedies—screwball comedies—are: *Bringing up Baby*I was a Male War Bride*My favorite WifeI'm sure there are others that I can't think of right now. Have you seen any of these? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Grieb Posted February 19, 2007 Share Posted February 19, 2007 (edited) I've seen parts of Bringing Up Baby. My favorite screwball comedy is His Girl Friday which is a remake of The Front Page. On TCM Tony Curtis does a very good tribute to Grant. The millionaire Curtis played in Some Like it Hot was modeled on Grant. His line "With so much unrest I don't think anyone should have a yacht that sleeps more than 12." is so Grant. Edited February 19, 2007 by Chris Grieb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dailey Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 (edited) ~ Ok, a couple more.~ Cary again (without the 'e' or double-'r' for hyper-grammarians) with Leslie Caron in FATHER GOOSE.~ Speaking of Caron, with Kelly in AN AMERICAN IN PARIS is a no miss for this thread!~ Um-m-m...WEST SIDE STORY hasn't been mentioned...for some reason.LLAPJ:DP.S: If we're going to segue into romantic 'comedy', nothing beats THE PHILADELPHIA STORY (Grant, Hepburn, Stewart.) Edited February 21, 2007 by John Dailey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Pross Posted February 25, 2007 Author Share Posted February 25, 2007 Well, I did it. I rented Cary Grant in Charade. I'm in the mood for a good romantic comedy. Of course! I'm a guy! Man, I wish Angie was here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 I saw "North by Northwest" in 1959 in an almost empty California theater. I knew by the end of the opening credits that I was going to see a great movie.Victor: Tell us your reaction to the best part of "Charade."--Brant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Pross Posted February 25, 2007 Author Share Posted February 25, 2007 I saw "North by Northwest" in 1959 in an almost empty California theater. I knew by the end of the opening credits that I was going to see a great movie.Victor: Tell us your reaction to the best part of "Charade."--BrantBrant, Sure. I'll be getting down to it soon. And then we can see what you consider to be the 'best part'. Hmm, I'm curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Grieb Posted February 25, 2007 Share Posted February 25, 2007 Why has no one mentioned Out of Africa? Parts of it I find intensely romantic and I must admit that I have not seen it all the way through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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