Fraud and Context in the 2020 USA Elections


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I just finished listening to a long video by a a guy who calls himself Viva Frei. He's Canadian lawyer, David Freiheit, and he's always doing videos with a famous American lawyer, Robert Barnes.

These guys are not as idealistic as Lin Wood, Sidney Powell, etc., but they generally fall on the same sides of the issues at root. I like their commentary because they look into the legalities of what is possible and what is not from a friendly voice, but one with serious authority (from what I can tell). 

For example, Robert thinks President Trump has a strong case against big tech, but his lawyers are presenting the worst possible of cases. (He disparages them for being legal people from big oil, being on board through Jared Kushner, with the exception of Greta van Susteren's husband, John Coale. But Robert is not enthusiastic because Coale has not done a major case in decades (he's the guy who beat big tobacco).

Robert's major issue is that they are not versed in the set of laws they need to be versed in to win. And he takes issue with Trump calling this a class actions suit before a judge has certified it as a class action suit.

Robert is also been critical of Lin and Sidney, but in a restricted manner and definitely on the same team when it comes to the abomination that happened in the 2020 election. I like to think about what he says. I think Robert has worked with Lin on high-profile cases like the Covington Kids, 

I disagree with Robert on his opinion of the voting machines, though. And this one causes me a lot of cognitive dissonance when evaluating him. He thinks the voting machines were just fine, or at least there is no evidence or wrongdoing with them. To his credit, he believes the audits are generating the strongest proof of wrongdoing possible (and, of course, they will prove there is fraud with the voting machines).

Anyway, I am no legal expert in all this, but I seek to understand it from my layman's position without spending long boring hours reading court briefs. (Besides, in Brazil I translated too many to enjoy them anymore. :) ) 

So if you are like me and wish to follow this stuff, I recommend these gentlemen and this video in particular as a good source of ideas that provide balance. I trust these guys to believe what they are saying. 

Whether I agree or disagree is a different issue. But I am grateful for their input. They make me think.

Enjoy.

Michael

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21 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Whether I agree or disagree is a different issue. But I am grateful for their input. They make me think.

Incidentally, one of Robert's best observations for me was that, for him, the gold standard of how to prosecute court cases on the anti-authoritarian side were being done by James O'Keefe. He's not lost a case. And he goes for what he can get that stings the most to his adversary.

It's a good comment and I agree with it.

Except for what Rudy did--which I believe was both principled and brilliant--in presenting his evidence to different State Senates. But that was outside the court. Still, I believe, that was the only recourse he had in that corrupt judicial climate to actually peg the shit the bad guys did back to the law without corruption.

Michael

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Biden quoted on Fox Business at 4:56pm, “We’re facing the biggest test of our democracy since the Civil War.”

I think He’s talking about better, more stringent election laws being proposed across out great land. You must have a photo ID, be registered to vote in that district, (not vote twice or be deceased as occurred in Chicago some time ago . . . or was in 2020?) I used to walk into the local fire hall where voting took place and everybody knew me, so it was a quick process being identified. In the past there has been voter suppression, literacy laws, etc., in parts of our land.

I am for positively identifying voters, scrutinizing the counting of votes, and whatever it takes to secure a true vote for all elected offices and the most important is for President. WE THE PEOPLE must be quite sure the vote is “legit” and not a lie.    

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17 hours ago, Peter said:

Biden quoted on Fox Business at 4:56pm, “We’re facing the biggest test of our democracy since the Civil War.”

Peter,

You ought to see that in context.

I watch Steve Bannon's War Room every day. That comes to about 2.5 hours (3 segments of about 48 minutes each), but I put it on double speed, so my actual time is about an hour and a quarter. 

I rarely post these videos here on OL because I can't embed them. (I can if I grant myself HTML powers that are denied to OL members and I just don't think that's fair.) But once in a while there is an episode that cuts to the heart of the matter so deeply, it's worth setting up the redirect picture and link I use as a makeshift.

Yesterday's third episode was one of them:

Episode 1,093 – Panic in Philly: Biden’s Legitimacy Continues To Plummet

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Bannon's video above starts with Biden speaking in Philadelphia. Here is the transcript of the Biden segment (from Rev: Joe Biden Voting Rights Speech Transcript July 13: “The Big Lie is Just That— A Big Lie”)

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Election officials, the entire electoral system withstood unrelenting political attacks, physical threats, intimidation and pressure. They did so with unyielding courage and faith in our democracy with recount after recount after recount, court case after court case, the 2020 election was the most scrutinized election ever in American history. Challenge after challenge brought to local, state, and election officials, state legislatures, state and federal courts, even to the United States Supreme Court not once but twice.

More than 80 judges, including those appointed by my predecessor, heard the arguments. In every case, neither cause nor evidence was found to undermine the national achievement of administrating the historic election in the face of such extraordinary challenges.

Audits, recounts were conducted in Arizona and Wisconsin. In Georgia it was recounted three times. It’s clear, for those who challenge the results and question the integrity of the election, no other election has ever been held under such scrutiny and such high standards. The big lie is just that— a big lie.

. . .

The assault on free and fair elections is just such a threat, literally. I’ve said it before. We’re facing the most significant test of our democracy since the Civil War. That’s not hyperbole, since the Civil War. The Confederates back then never breached the Capitol as insurrectionist did on January the sixth.

I’m not saying this to alarm you, I’m saying this because you should be alarmed

After this section, the video cuts to Steve Bannon smirking and gloating and talking about how great it all is, which goes on for some time.

Why?

Well, Biden finally acknowledged that the legitimacy of his election needs to be defended. He never did that so long as his underlings were handling it. But now he's broadcast this to the whole world. And he himself is defending it.

From this point on, instead of Biden supporters denying it all, now it's fair game for everyone (including the mainstream press) to ask for "the receipts," as Steve likes to call the proof.

Even Biden's defenders are going to want them to shut down his accusers. Why?

Biden addressed the issue--and in the strongest terms possible, even citing the Civil War as the standard of importance. So even though he denied it all, he still addressed it. So (in the minds of the public) it must be important, right?

What's worse, he outright lied to everyone in those statements and it's all on record as "the receipts" are proving and will prove.

Even the part about the challenges is a lie ("More than 80 judges, including those appointed by my predecessor, heard the arguments"). They didn't hear the arguments. They all ruled on standing so they would not have to hear the arguments. 

Well, in "the receipts" now coming forth, they are hearing the arguments and ruling against the people who are trying to suppress information.

And this is looking like not only the biggest political crime ever committed in America, it's the biggest cover-up, too. 

From this moment on, we are going to see an unraveling that is going to make Watergate look like playtime in the schoolyard. It's all going to go downhill for the Biden junta and nothing is going to be able to stop it. Not even a new pandemic.

Steve deserves to smirk and gloat. He helped America get to this point.

In fact, I'm smirking and gloating myself.

:) 

Michael

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Tucker Carlson had Brit Hume on his show last night on a segment centered on the Tx Demos. Brit made the point that what they are doing is somewhat comical and bordering on farce. He explained how the bill they fled to deny a quorum for voting has already passed the State Senate and all but assured to eventually pass given the machinations and institutional workings of the state's government. He laughed repeatedly about their claim of the severity of the issue and likening it to the level of seriousness of institutionalized slavery. Seen from that perspective it really is just fund raising theatrics. 

What first looked like insurrection by state officials , and in league with partisans in DC can now be seen as pathetic blustering and fund raising bombast.  

I hate to admit that when I first hear/see the stunts and shenanigans of commie wannabees my ire comes up , but thankfully practically every time after a closer look and more careful consideration most of their crap is just that crap , and it is apparent most of the useful idiots don't even realize how their own stupidity is played against them. ( their next election cycle is likely to have other non male , non white candidates who will spin this episode as the incumbents not having enough Texan in 'em to stick around for a fight)

Tucker had a really good point though about Biden and his rhetoric around this shitshow, a sincere and worthy admonishment. His rhetoric in describing this buffoonish pushback against sensible ( and popularly supported) ballot security measures is dangerous and bordering on incitement. 

 

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1 hour ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Well, Biden finally acknowledged that the legitimacy of his election needs to be defended.

I watched him walking on the White House lawn yesterday and he really, really walks like a very old, very stiff, sits all day type, who may be getting physical therapy.    

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On 7/12/2021 at 9:38 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Incidentally, one of Robert's best observations for me was that, for him, the gold standard of how to prosecute court cases on the anti-authoritarian side were being done by James O'Keefe. He's not lost a case. And he goes for what he can get that stings the most to his adversary.

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Michael

Michael, are you under the impression that OKeefe is a crusading lawyer? I thought he was, because of the way you have spoken about him never losing a case many times, so I didn't doublecheck his bonafides, but he isn't a lawyer, were you aware of that.? 

I asked you before about his record for settling cases out of court, or of being prosecuted himself, but you did not answer and I didn't want to push it. He is described as an activist, and he certainly is a successful one, but  hiring good lawyers and declining to bring actions unlikely to succeed, are the actions of a good activist, not necessarily of a top lawyer, so could you please re-address this, what field does he actually work in ! Is it journalism.?

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5 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Carol,

No.

Michael

What kind of person believes that lawyers sue and are sued without plaintiffs and defendants?

That only lawyers win or lose cases, not plaintiffs and defendants?

Come on Carol. Whatever caused that brain-fart, please fix it.

I'm rooting for you.

Michael

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On 7/12/2021 at 9:38 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Incidentally, one of Robert's best observations for me was that, for him, the gold standard of how to prosecute court cases on the anti-authoritarian side were being done by James O'Keefe. He's not lost a case. And.....

I am the kind of person who inferred from this observation that Robert, a lawyer, and legal analyst,was admiring a professional peer for his prosecutorial skills.

Also the kind who has heard and read lawyers refer or to winning their cases,or occasionally losing them, and never once recall them saying, "my client won the case", ,though occasionally they blame the client for losing it, though not as often as the jury, the judge or the Deep State, or the stupidIty of the law itself.  

Anyway, as it is established ,that he is not a prosecutor or  defence lawyer, 1guess  he makes his living as a professional plaintiff , and  does not claim his right to be his own pro se.

 

 

 

 

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If this was the second world war and not the third world war, this would be like watching D Day live with cameras on the beach at Normandy.

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1 hour ago, Marc said:

If this was the second world war and not the third world war, this would be like watching D Day live with cameras on the beach at Normandy.

No, it wouldn't.

LOOK UP THE GUIDELINES FOR ANALOGIES.

( that goes for everybody!,)

You feel strongly that is how watching day live would feel when watching this, which is a true valid personal observation But  just leave it at that.

Trump has never led his troops personally , either in person or online, without disclaiming he was leading them into failed battles, either on Jan. 6 or at any other time.  If Dday had failed Eisenhower would have shouldered the blame,and so would Truman have let that fatal buck stop with him.

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Sorry Marc, but my father gave his youth from  17 to 21 to WWII,  and he did not fight for a Canada ruled by Trumpian retrogression.  It sounded to me as if you wish the Allied generals had been Axis false flag gets.

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3 cheers! Love to see it.

UPDATE: Arizona Audit Team Escorted from Building after Explosive Hearing Confirming Thousands of Fraudulent Votes — Applause Breaks Out! (VIDEO)

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/07/update-arizona-audit-team-escorted-building-explosive-hearing-confirming-thousands-fraudulent-votes-applause-breaks-video/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=PostTopSharingButtons&utm_campaign=websitesharingbuttons

 

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4 hours ago, caroljane said:

Anyway, as it is established ,that he is not a prosecutor or  defence lawyer, 1guess  he makes his living as a professional plaintiff , and  does not claim his right to be his own pro se.

Carol.

As the saying goes, when you are in a hole, stop digging. That's not the way to get out of the hole.

Michael

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