caroljane Posted April 14, 2021 Author Share Posted April 14, 2021 57 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: Karen... er Carol, You wanna do Wikipedia journalism and gotcha? Woah. Her true colors are appearing ... To begin with, the ACORN affair was the first biggie that James O'Keefe scored. He was young and full of piss and vinegar. So he made a few mistakes ... Scary, huh? As to the lawsuit you mentioned, he did not lose it but settled out of court.l I asked you whether he won the suit, lost it, or settled out of court, thank you for answering . I did know that settling out of court means not going to court, and thus neither winning nor losing. In fact I will admit the possibility that the boy genius would have won if he had gone to court. So I assume he has never settled again and maintains a perfect record. $100,000 is an expensive lesson for youthfulhigh spirits, but maybe he had some help in paying it so he could continue his crusade. Quote So try to spin James's youthful imitation of the mainstream press into discrediting him if you want - -nah, one discreditable spin was enough, his career seems pretty -----straightforward after that. As for the photo, you never seen a young white pimp before? His eyes are too close together but otherwise I can see the runaway teens at the bus station falling for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caroljane Posted April 14, 2021 Author Share Posted April 14, 2021 Please tell me who Karen is, although I am sure the answer will plunge me into utter despair. IS it some new red menace emerged in the years I wasn't,t here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted April 14, 2021 Share Posted April 14, 2021 Karen... er Carol, As a meme, a Karen is a white female adult who scolds others in public about woke crap. I use that term with you in a tongue-in-cheek manner because you are not really the stereotype, at least not on the outside. Karens are generally emotionally overblown, especially expressing outrage. (You get emotionally overblown at times, but I don't recall it ever being outrage or negative emotions. It's mostly on the positive side, like when you are gushing about William's socialist heroism. ) A Karen (did I mention Karens are white? ) tend to come from monied backgrounds (upper middle class on up, but not always) and have no personal stake in the causes they scold others over other than their overwrought feelings. For instance, a huge chunk of Black Lives Matter supporters are Karens. They are not black. Few, if any, have ever been shot at. They certainly do not know poverty. Most have well-coiffed hair-dos (ranging from oldish and ridiculous to quite pretty) and they wear fashionable feminine clothing. They love to bully workers in restaurants, stores, and so on for their targets not conforming to this or that. They are pointed out for derision and laughed at harshly in the culture, even in the mainstream, and even on the left at times. This stereotype has been so devastating to the left's propaganda-storylines, there is a backlash against it from the propagandists that tries to mischaracterize it. You will read in many pro-establishment places that a Karen is racist. That's not what Karenism is about. The examples used for showing this present Karen in her element scolding others, mostly white men, but when confronted by a black male, she shows fear. Or other examples like bigoted language in private. That's all bullshit and it ain't working. I don't know where the meme got started. There are several stories, but I don't believe any I have read so far. Once it got into the culture, though, it stuck to entitled leftie females like a fly sticks to flypaper. Outside of any confusions about what Karen means, there is one emotional characteristic common to all Karens of all descriptions. They care. Man do they care. They care so much it hurts. They are bothered to the shits that you (their target) don't care. And they want you to know it. This burns inside them like lust. They want you to really really really know it... And feel guilty about it, too... Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caroljane Posted April 15, 2021 Author Share Posted April 15, 2021 Thanks for the enlightenment and for saying I don't entirely conform to stereotype ,I don't believe anyone does that, even though some inexplicably try to. Well, not inexplicably. When I was 18 and really naive, I tried hard to conform to.the stereotype of the ideal Objectivist woman , and made myself pretty miserable in the process. It showed me who I really am, which hurts a lot, but who else can you be? And even if I had known I would have ended up getting patronized by strangers to whom I have not even properly introduced, let alone targeted online by an apparent loony off his meds,I would still have ended up in the same place. Your place, which you have repurposed for your own deeply felt beliefs, yet on which you allow me free speech to oppose them. I am always aware of that and grateful for it. Also, fair play here! You snap at me for not being technically adept but I have neverseenPeter use quote marks ever, and I doknow how to use them! I'mjust saying. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brant Gaede Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 On 4/3/2021 at 2:43 PM, caroljane said: The Guardian(U.K.) has reported that few top GOP leaders have expressed support for Gaetz because he is a "lone wolf" in Congress. For the sake of young Congresswomen, I certainly hope he is ! Nice allusion, Guardian. It depends entirely on how many young congresswomen there are and what he's up to to do. --Brant you may be asking for too much from the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 7 hours ago, caroljane said: When I was 18 and really naive, I tried hard to conform to.the stereotype of the ideal Objectivist woman , and made myself pretty miserable in the process. Carol, Woah. A big reveal. Banter aside, that's interesting. From the fundies I have seen and known, I would not wish that on any woman. I speak from experience, but as a man. And this is nothing against Rand or her ideas. It's just that nowadays, I don't believe in self-inflicted guilt. Reality provides enough as it is. btw - Are you a conformist by nature? (Serious question.) Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 8 hours ago, caroljane said: ... targeted online by an apparent loony off his meds... Carol, Aw gee... I thought you were having fun... (Don't mind me. I'm just bantering... ) 8 hours ago, caroljane said: It showed me who I really am, which hurts a lot, but who else can you be? A wokebot? (I mean, how could I resist that one?... ) Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 11 hours ago, caroljane said: I did know that settling out of court means not going to court, and thus neither winning nor losing. Carol, I'm going to straighten this out for the reader. There's a weird misunderstanding here. Settling out of court does NOT mean not going to court. It means HALTING what was started in court with the court agreeing to the halt. You are right that it means--lawsuit-wise--neither winning nor losing. But not for the reason you gave. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
william.scherk Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 17 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: Karen... er Carol, As a meme, a Karen is a white female adult who scolds others in public about woke crap. Many notions of Karen are extant in the wild. As with this Buzzfeed video (which mentions "Permit Patty" and "BBQ Becky") ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatGuy Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 Another example of "poor, innocent CNN" being played- I mean, playing from the dirty playbook: https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1382731553432813569?s=20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 Damn. I think the CNN guy was burping up eggs and sausage as he agreed with propagating propaganda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 2 hours ago, william.scherk said: Many notions of Karen are extant in the wild. As with this Buzzfeed video... William, That is not in the wild. That is recent and in the mainstream. That video is engineered, mostly staged. Pure propaganda. In fact, it is a perfect example of what I wrote about: Quote This stereotype has been so devastating to the left's propaganda-storylines, there is a backlash against it from the propagandists that tries to mischaracterize it. You will read in many pro-establishment places that a Karen is racist. That's not what Karenism is about. The examples used for showing this present Karen in her element scolding others, mostly white men, but when confronted by a black male, she shows fear. The video even gave its hand away at the end. Quote Let's all work together and kill Karen. I mean, not the person. The need for the meme. Kill the need for the meme. That meme is kicking the SJW movement's ass, that's for sure. What's worse, the "need for the meme" is an ugly truth for the left. And it's not white privilege like the video tries to preach. Here's the ugly truth the video really tries to kill. The people in the Indoctrinated Generation are now adults. Many are in their 30's and/or pushing 40. A Karen is exactly what white left-wing indoctrinated girls grow into. Their sense of entitlement and need to lash out at strangers in control-freak fashion does not come from race, but instead from their school-daze indoctrination (the part that makes them want safe spaces). A mainstream propaganda campaign saying a Karen is a stereotype for white power does not make it so. This is one case where the leftwing social engineers caught a boomerang in the jaw. Now they are trying to pretend the boomerang doesn't exist and is, instead, a snowball. Michael 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caroljane Posted April 15, 2021 Author Share Posted April 15, 2021 13 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: Carol, I'm going to straighten this out for the reader. There's a weird misunderstanding here. Settling out of court does NOT mean not going to court. It means HALTING what was started in court with the court agreeing to the halt. You are right that it means--lawsuit-wise--neither winning nor losing. But not for the reason you gave. Michael Yes, Of course that is right, I should have said , "not receiving a judgment from the courts" or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caroljane Posted April 15, 2021 Author Share Posted April 15, 2021 15 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: Carol, Woah. A big reveal. Banter aside, that's interesting. From the fundies I have seen and known, I would not wish that on any woman. I speak from experience, but as a man. And this is nothing against Rand or her ideas. It's just that nowadays, I don't believe in self-inflicted guilt. Reality provides enough as it is. btw - Are you a conformist by nature? (Serious question.) Michael Very likely. I just am very, very specialized in what I want to conform to. You must realize that back in the stoned ages, professing Objectivism at a Canadian university was about as strange a thing as you could do. I mean, I don't remember there even being a far right wing at all. I thought the hippies and Maoists were the conformists. You are right about the fundies. I had a wonderful boyfriend, but his Oist friends were pretty hard to take. They were all trying to conform to the behaviour of Idealized fictional characters. Roark and d'Anconia, usually.The results were pretty gruesome. They nearly all had some abiding resentment against their upbringing which obsessed them, and I was told that though I thought mine was happy, I was really being lied to and denied real reality, and so on. But back to your question, I am fairly conventional by nature. But now of course, being a rebel is the new conformity, and nobody in the crowd admits they are part of a crowd. Maybe we will be called the Special Little Snowflake Generation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted April 15, 2021 Share Posted April 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, caroljane said: Very likely. I just am very, very specialized in what I want to conform to. Carol, So in what specialized areas have you killed curiosity inside yourself in order to go along with the crowd? Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caroljane Posted April 15, 2021 Author Share Posted April 15, 2021 11 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: Carol, So in what specialized areas have you killed curiosity inside yourself in order to go along with the crowd? Michael Does conforming to some behaviours mean killing curiosity? I can't think of anything I do that doesn't,t cause me to think about it or raise some question s pertaining to it in my mind. I go to church (I think I may have gone into that here at some point) but that is not going along with just a crowd, believe me. We have the smallest congregation in town, half of them too old and feeble to get out to services . If I'm not there on a Sunday the attendance goes down five percent. Also my cousins are wardens and lay preachers, and my 92 year old aunt takes me to her house afterward for dinner. Anyway, I like church. I listen to the Met broadcast on Saturdays and the announcer assures me I am part of a crowd who also do that, though I do not know any of them . Here in town I don't know of any other classical music fans. I am, or used to be part of a crowd here, and you repeatedly tell me I am blindly conformist ,etc., so probably you can answer your question better than I can. I thought it was rhetorical but you said it was serious so I answered. Karolen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 2 hours ago, caroljane said: I can't think of anything I do that doesn't,t cause me to think about it or raise some question s pertaining to it in my mind. Carol, How about thinking there might something deeper and extremely valuable about Matt Gaetz? Do you have any curiosity about that? (By now, you probably know this is leading somewhere other than Gaetz, the person, don't you? ) btw - This may sound odd coming from me, but I don't think church is a place where you conform on the kind of autopilot I am talking about. I am quite happy for you that you like it. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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caroljane Posted April 16, 2021 Author Share Posted April 16, 2021 Michael, There is something deeper and more valuable in Matt Gaetz than I can perceive; I know that, because he is a human being and we all have a universe of components. But his career has shown only shallow, cynical,morally worthless posturing and I can only judge from what I see him do and say. But I have changed my opinion on other public figures who I came to somewhat admire as individuals after having utterly loathed them for their politics , Conrad Black for instance, so it may happen in this case, if I live long enough. Meanwhile I just cannot see Gaetz as more than a swamp creature ,sic, subsidized by the public dole since birth , and I feel very sorry for his fiancée who now probably feels like Ginger Unluckey . On a more positive note, I realize that here in St Stephen the Anglicans are only the second smallest congregation. TheSeventh Day Adventists have even fewer adherents than we do. Another cousin, who is the organist at our church, is married to one of them. Their three kids go to both churches turn about. We will never catch up to those dratted Pentecostals, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 5 hours ago, caroljane said: But his career has shown only shallow, cynical,morally worthless posturing and I can only judge from what I see him do and say. Carol, Where do you see Matt Gaetz do and say things? Once again, serious question. btw - I'm not defending Gaetz right now. I'm defending correct identification. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caroljane Posted April 16, 2021 Author Share Posted April 16, 2021 2 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: Carol, Where do you see Matt Gaetz do and say things? Once again, serious question. btw - I'm not defending Gaetz right now. I'm defending correct identification. Michael He went to Arizona to hound Liz Cheney and her supporters. I admit I did not see him go there,but someone whose honesty I trust told me and Ibelieved him. When there, he made a speech which I heard on CTV. I have heard other of his speeches on Cdn television and radio.He was also right beside Trump, or at least the requisite three paces behind, on Jan. 6. Metaphorically and politically speaking. As a legislator I have not heard of him initiating or being instrumental in getting passed any successful new bills. I stand by my judgment. As a Floridian he was probably not too welcome to theArizona Republicans, and he only helped Cheney by providing her an opportunity for a zinger about his makeup. In his state senatorial career, as the only senator to oppose a trafficking bill, he only succeeded in drawing attention to himself, his main aim.He is the political equivalent of the most famous, and sleaziest , Teen Mom, ms Abraham, who believes that there is no such thing has bad publicity. That is true in reality TV but quite true yet in politics, as Trump learned, and as Gaetz is demonstrating now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 2 hours ago, caroljane said: He went to Arizona to hound Liz Cheney and her supporters. I admit I did not see him go there,but someone whose honesty I trust told me and Ibelieved him. When there, he made a speech which I heard on CTV. I have heard other of his speeches on Cdn television and radio.He was also right beside Trump, or at least the requisite three paces behind, on Jan. 6. Metaphorically and politically speaking. As a legislator I have not heard of him initiating or being instrumental in getting passed any successful new bills. Carol, Anonymous sources and talking points? Just wonderful. We were doing well for a while. After this weasel answer, I'm losing interest again. I was going in a direction in our interaction. I don't think I want to go there now. Back to studying cryptocurrency and blockchain... Michael 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caroljane Posted April 16, 2021 Author Share Posted April 16, 2021 8 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: Carol, Anonymous sources and talking points? Just wonderful. We were doing well for a while. After this weasel answer, I'm losing interest again. I was going in a direction in our interaction. I don't think I want to go there now. Back to studying cryptocurrency and blockchain... Michael 8 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said: Carol, Anonymous sources and talking points? Just wonderful. We were doing well for a while. After this weasel answer, I'm losing interest again. I was going in a direction in our interaction. I don't think I want to go there now. Back to studying cryptocurrency and blockchain... Michael What anonymous source? Is the public record wrong about his public actions as a legislator? Was I fooled into thinking he went to Arizona when he was really somewhere else? Were his speeches so cunningly edited by hostile media that they misrepresented his actual words, And he did not even notice it? The last two sentences in my post are my own conclusions in my words, which I have never seen anyone else write. Of course,, it could be unconscious plagiarism, like Norwegian Wood and My Sweet Lord. (And I adore George Harrison, he was my favourite Beatle). Talking points, like the famous stopped clock and Donald Trump, are right at least twice a day and people are likely to talk and thinkabout them. As you probably know yourself, they are sometimes things you have speculated about yourself before they were ever brought up in the media, and commentators will say things you have already thought of. I trust my own judgment on what I see and hear, as do you. What anonymous sources? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Stuart Kelly Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 On 4/14/2021 at 6:45 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said: [Karens] love to bully workers in restaurants, stores... . . . ... Karen in her element scolding others, mostly white men... Even though the following tweet-video is aimed at customers in general, it really fits the Karen meme to a tee. And it is hilarious. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules Troy Posted April 20, 2021 Share Posted April 20, 2021 Lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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