Dirty oldishman blues

[caroljane]

Looks like the age of consent shifts with the perspective of the ,er, co-consenter.

Hey man, a right-thinking Lolita don't need no stinking piece of paper from no govmint! Right thinking people don't need no govmints bossing them around, period! Right?

(Canada has uncovered sex traffickers and child porn ringmasters to a sickening degree, and probably has more still hidden. Just so you know I agree that these  creatures are among us to the same extent as they are among you, and are equally as execrated.).

ftr, I don't think Gaetz is any kind of trafficker. Though he might be a coercer, who knows. He is an entitled idiot, though.

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

Carol,

The Gaetz thing is a coordinated smear campaign because Gaetz has started to be effective and, suddenly, the oligarchy needs a distraction from Hunter Biden big-time.

Gaetz will get a little tarnished by this, but I'm pretty sure this campaign won't damage him permanently and, besides, it will go away shortly. It has all the markings of a future, "Oops. we goofed," retraction in the NYT--in small print on page 57, right under the classified ads for coffins and burial services.

Michael

[caroljane]

Yes, I know that is the official line. And smear campaigns of sexual misconduct are as old as time.  Certainly as old as OL is, since your flagship post ,still on view, passionately denounces such a campaign.

I agree that these allegations will not damage him permanently, even if he should actually be charged, maybe even convicted. Only his enemies will believe it isn't just a smear, whatever kind of evidence is presented.

[ThatGuy]

"Legend has it that LBJ, in one of his early congressional campaigns, told one of his aides to spread the story that Johnson's opponent fucked pigs. The aide responded 'Christ, Lyndon, we can't call the guy a pigfucker. It isn't true.' To which LBJ supposedly replied 'Of course it ain't true, but I want to make the son-of-a-bitch deny it.'"

Democrats know the playbook...

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/1002579626

[caroljane]

Yuck - lol

[ThatGuy]

Latest claim...never heard of this site, and I haven't verified for myself; make of it what one will...But MSK, you may be interested, since Scott Adams's name is involved...
 

"New details in the scandal surrounding Florida congressman Matt Gaetz are shedding light into the influence of Israeli operatives over American affairs and the depth of corruption in the US government.

"In text messages publicized by Dilbert creator Scott Adams, the Israeli consulate's media director Jake Novak informed him of secret grand jury proceedings tying Gaetz to sex with minors and a murder conspiracy days before the New York Times reported that he was under investigation. "

https://national-justice.com/new-evidence-shows-matt-gaetz-being-blackmailed-israeli-consulate

[caroljane]

This is news - showing that  Israeli spies  are as hardworking and competent as Russian ones , or American ones.  

If  it implies blackmail, it also implies that there is  evidence of a blackmailable offence sufficient to convene the grand jury.

Hand me the popcorn....

 

[caroljane]

The Guardian(U.K.) has reported that few top GOP leaders have expressed support for Gaetz because he is a "lone wolf" in Congress.

For the sake of young Congresswomen, I certainly hope he is !

Nice allusion, Guardian.

[caroljane]

Last note on Matt "Pearly"Gaetz.

If he gets charged with anything (still dubious that might happen) do NOT join a GoFundMe for his defence, it will be a scam!

His future brother in law is a billionaire, not a to mention political soulmate and friend Trump - he may not be a hit with fellow pols but he is pretty comfortable among the  1 per centers.

 

 

 

 

 

 Trump

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

Meanwhile, back at Hunter Biden...

   

Michael

[caroljane]

Six degrees of Jeffrey Epstein :

His first boss was Don Barr, who hired him for a teaching job at the Dalton School for which he was not qualified, and later fired him. Don was the father of Bill Barr who authorized the Investigation into Joel Greenberg which resulted in sex trafficking charges . Greenberg was a Florida tax collector accused among other things of providing false ID for underage girls , using info from the tax office records.  Greenberg was a close pal of Matt Gaetz...only four steps. Oh, well.

Creepily enough, the exclusive Dalton School was where young Manriel Hemingway's character was an A student when she wasn't having a cool affair with irresistible older man Woody Allen in one of his pre-Soon Yi movies. I believe it was a hit.

[ThatGuy]

On 4/2/2021 at 8:05 PM, ThatGuy said:

"Legend has it that LBJ, in one of his early congressional campaigns, told one of his aides to spread the story that Johnson's opponent fucked pigs. The aide responded 'Christ, Lyndon, we can't call the guy a pigfucker. It isn't true.' To which LBJ supposedly replied 'Of course it ain't true, but I want to make the son-of-a-bitch deny it.'"

Democrats know the playbook...

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/1002579626

CNN ("The Most Trusted Name in News" is playing from that playbook, playing the "pig-fucker" gag on Gaetz:

“So, we’re [CNN] going to keep running those stories to keep hurting him ad make it so that it can’t be buried.”

 

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

On 4/2/2021 at 5:05 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

The Gaetz thing is a coordinated smear campaign...

At least CNN is now on record saying this.

It's all about the narrative.

But in this case, I bet there is enough for one hell of a lawsuit.

God only knows what else James O'Keefe has up his sleeve.

Michael

[caroljane]

24 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

At least CNN is now on record saying this.

It's all about the narrative.

But in this case, I bet there is enough for one hell of a lawsuit.

God only knows what else James O'Keefe has up his sleeve.

Michael

If the stories are lies, which the reporter and executives knew were lies, there most certainly would. Maybe even if they didn't know. Unscrupulous writers have fooled editors before. But a smear campaign is propaganda ,just  like Johnson wanted to spread, (hilariously I might add) propaganda as I understand, is deliberate lying to further an agenda, no matter how many people subsequently believe it. Constantly presenting verifiable facts such as official reports of investigations, recorded quotations, etc., is annoying to the infinity of annoying, but not propaganda .   You cannot smear a person with the truth---or can you?

who is James OKeefe, is he the Tech Director in the video?

 

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[Michael Stuart Kelly]

3 hours ago, caroljane said:

who is James OKeefe, is he the Tech Director in the video?

Carol,

James O'Keefe is the founder and director of Project Veritas, which does undercover journalism and has busted many an oligarchical career, mostly on the left.

He is also litigious as are his targets.

He has yet to lose a lawsuit. He has a wall of shame where people who have appeared in his videos (and the companies behind them) have been forced by the courts to issue public retractions of statements they have published about him.

It's a big wall. In fact, it's a huge wall and it's full.

James just busted the CNN dude bragging about the CNN policy of doing propaganda instead of news where the Democrats are concerned, and mainly where Trump and Gaetz are concerned.

It's there on video in all its glory. Later James will likely put up the entire unedited video. That's his habit, anyway. He does that so factcheckers can see the video takes in context.

The left loathes James O'Keefe.

Too many leftie careers down the drain...

 

Michael

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

2 hours ago, caroljane said:

Unscrupulous writers have fooled editors before.

Carol,

With respect to CNN, that's an unwarranted presumption.

They, editors and reporters, are all on the same page. Nobody is fooling anybody. And it usually starts with the walking talking potato, Jeff Zucker, who is reputed to have male genitals. (This is an assumption of mine because he has yet to show them on camera like his former CNN cohort, Jeffery Toobin, did when he was busted masturbating during a Zoom conference call.)

However, CNN has another human potato, Brian Stelter. Ah me... it's so hard to keep up with all the CNN spuds...

 

btw - James O'Keefe has a bunch of videos posted online, including the raw footage, of CNN staff Zoom calls run by Mr. Potato himself (the Zucker potato). Some of the videos have proved quite embarrassing to CNN. Especially the last one where James crashed the call and spoke directly to Zucker. 

Michael

[caroljane]

A career built on ruining others' careers - sounds pretty darn second-  handed to me.

[caroljane]

6 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Carol,

James O'Keefe 

He has yet to lose a lawsuit. 

 

 

Michael

What about the apology and $100,000 he issued when he was sued for invasion of privacy?  Or did you mean only the lawsuits he initiated.

Saw that on Wiki, I know it is evil and slanted etc. But either he lost that suit or  settled out of court, or he didn't lose and that is another example of evil Wiki, which also states that OKeefe selectively edits his videos to deliberately falsify speakers' meanings.

One person's undercover reporter is another person's smearing propagandist.

 

[tmj]

1 hour ago, caroljane said:

A career built on ruining others' careers - sounds pretty darn second-  handed to me.

Like law enforcement careerists who end the careers of human traffickers? That kind of second handedness ?

[caroljane]

1 hour ago, tmj said:

Like law enforcement careerists who end the careers of human traffickers? That kind of second handedness ?

No.  Like non-law enforcement individuals who decide who is a human trafficker, based on their political leanings, and manufacture evidence to end their careers.

And like their masters who lavishly reward them. 

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

7 hours ago, caroljane said:

A career built on ruining others' careers - sounds pretty darn second-  handed to me.

Carol,

He only wrecks the lives of blatant liars and sleazy control freaks who get too much power.

That sounds like an avenging angel to me.

Michael

[ThatGuy]

11 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Carol,

He only wrecks the lives of blatant liars and sleazy control freaks who get too much power.

That sounds like an avenging angel to me.

Michael

Trying to vilify Project Veritas and James O'Keefe? Nothing "Second-hand" about it. He's exposing the rot and corruption in our media and government.

Trying to vilify him just sounds like a desperate attempt to save face at one's own refusal to see the fucking truth about the state of the world and the corruption they refuse to acknowledge, or worse, condone.

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

7 hours ago, caroljane said:

What about the apology and $100,000 he issued when he was sued for invasion of privacy?  Or did you mean only the lawsuits he initiated.

Saw that on Wiki, I know it is evil and slanted etc. But either he lost that suit or  settled out of court, or he didn't lose and that is another example of evil Wiki, which also states that OKeefe selectively edits his videos to deliberately falsify speakers' meanings.

Karen... er Carol,

You wanna do Wikipedia journalism and gotcha? Woah. Her true colors are appearing as she plunges into the fray and, are they illuminating new paths of investigation and critical thought? Hell no. They are humdrum, ordinary and commonplace spin. It's like she just discovered how to work a vending machine and is excited about it.  

btw - Don't believe everything in Wikipedia. It has turned into a left-wing establishment propaganda outfit as per anyone who wants to look--and as per one of its former founders, Larry Sanger.

Anyway, OK.

Let's look at that case where you quoted Wikipedia, but at a venue I am pretty sure you like since it leans left: Politico. Here is a 2013 article - O'Keefe agrees to fork over $100K.

To begin with, the ACORN affair was the first biggie that James O'Keefe scored. He was young and full of piss and vinegar. So he made a few mistakes as he was practically re-inventing the undercover form of journalism. Here is what he looked like back then:

Scary, huh?

 

Journalists these days and when he started out, especially in the legacy oligarchy media, "control the narrative" rather than present the facts. So James, fresh out of school, imitated his "betters" and dressed up the impact of his story by inference-editing.

And what was his big sin--the one the left has jumped all over ever since? 

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But O’Keefe was criticized for deceptively editing the videos. Most notably, he filmed himself walking into the offices while wearing a ’70s-style pimp outfit, but actually met with ACORN employees while wearing a suit and tie.

And even still, dig further and you will see that this is not the whole story. But he was a kid and he learned. You don't need spin when the truth honks loudly. Ever since then, this is all the left has against him as they constantly holler he deceptively edits videos. Now he presents raw footage of the bad guys and there have been gazillions of cases. Plenty of lawsuits, too, all of which he won when they went to the end.

As to the lawsuit you mentioned, he did not lose it but settled out of court. Why? According to the 2013 Politico article:

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An attorney for O’Keefe said the payment was a “nuisance settlement.” O’Keefe “has a full career ahead as a talented investigative journalist,” Michael Madigan told the paper.

It was more expensive to keep fighting the suit in court than it was to pay off the person to stop. It's an old tactic--bankrupt your target with legal fees.

That is not losing a law suit.

Ho hum... 

But let's look at something else in the article where he did break the law.

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The lawsuit argued O’Keefe broke a state law barring the secret recording of someone’s voice or image.

But what was the result of that?

Quote

Jerry Brown, then California’s attorney general and now its governor, gave O’Keefe and Giles immunity from criminal prosecution in exchange for turning over unedited videos made in National City, Los Angeles and San Bernardino. 

Now why would Brown do that, I wonder, I wonder?

Anyway, the net result back then was that ACORN, one of the sleaziest outfits ever to exist under the banner of "muh poor people gotta vote" got taken out. No matter. Many of the same people in ACORN morphed into members of BLM and Antifa. And, of course, the embezzlement part continues in these kinds of organizations.

(For example, the Marxist founder of BLM, Patrisse Cullors, just got blasted for buying a mansion and moving into a rich white neighborhood, in addition to her other 3 upscale homes and interest in real estate in the Bahamas--the quip going around is that BLM really means Buy Lavish Mansions  . So far, no proven embezzlement, but the hounds have now joined the chase.)

So try to spin James's youthful imitation of the mainstream press into discrediting him if you want, but many more experienced people have been trying that for about a decade. It ain't working as one leftie after another falls once exposed on camera when he or she thought the public was not listening.

That public record is a hell of a lot more than propaganda. 

Michael

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

1 hour ago, ThatGuy said:

Trying to vilify Project Veritas and James O'Keefe? Sounds desperate.

TG,

Actually, it does, doesn't it?

But I don't believe Carol is desperate. She just wants to play at gotcha with facts instead of her normal style, feelings through remotely-connected subplots, and be taken seriously for a change. But she's still on her training wheels at spinning stories, poor thing. She waded into waters way out of her depth.

 

Michael

[ThatGuy]

1 hour ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

and be taken seriously for a change

Oh, I take her seriously...as an apologist for statist corruption. And I don't buy the whole techno-luddite gag she's running, either, for what that's worth. I've seen these games before; this is all straight out of Alinsky's RULES FOR RADICALS. And I'm not falling for it. The gig is up.