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Verified is a funny word , nowadays, perhaps always, but definitely nowadays.

The single greatest advance in medicine was the germ theory of disease. It's precursor was smallpox vaccination. There is no handling flu with vaccine, just the pretense, but the pretense is a ho

The pandemics in 1957 and then again in 1968 killed roughly 100k Americans each, they were influenza viruses , I don't know of any societal wide reactions that match this one. Did we flatten a curve ?

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4 hours ago, Jon Letendre said:

Makes you think.

I think it was Jordan Peterson who not too long ago made that same point, re, would one have been a Nazi resister in Germany or complicit...

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3 hours ago, ThatGuy said:

I think it was Jordan Peterson who not too long ago made that same point, re, would one have been a Nazi resister in Germany or complicit...

There were some.

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8 hours ago, Jon Letendre said:

Makes you think.

What turning points?

--Brant

1776 and the constitutional convention are the only ones I know about; they were followed more or less by inevitabilities (re America)

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Throwing off the Deep State would be a real turning point, and it's not that simple. The key is the IRS and the DOJ. A lesser key is the DOD.

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I don't know about the technical side of the things involved here, but for Anderson Cooper to devote this much time (over 20 minutes) to Mike Lindell, and for Cooper to be so transparently and maliciously snarky (calling Mike a snake oil salesman and things like that to his face), Cooper is shitting his pants in fear of something.

Just look at his rage. 

This is not his normal behavior. Think I'm exaggerating? 

Watch for yourself.

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The thing is, these two videos are on CNN's YouTube channel, so these CNN idiots (including Cooper) think they are smearing Mike in some manner.

But they are not.

They can't smear Mike with the elitists. The elitists already look down on people like Mike Lindell, they already have an bad opinion of him. They think he's subhuman.

And they can't smear Mike with people who like him. These people watched CNN discredit itself with TDS-based bald-faced lies--over and over and over--these last 4 years. Other then CNN's captive bubble audience, I can't think of anyone who finds CNN credible.

 

Anyway, about the interview...

1. I think Cooper stands to make money off the vax industry. I am speculating, but there is a shit-ton of money if Gates can get his system in place. And we know that people who run insider rackets always spread their wealth to prominent people who help defend their rackets. 

 

2. If there are cheap cures for COVID-19, or at least medications that work for some people and are cheap, and they start getting used for COVID-19, and then drastically cut down on the cases of people who get sick, the racket of Gates & Co. will go kablooey. They may come up with great medication for the virus, but if this cheap stuff gets out into the market and is effective, who on earth is going to want to pay $500 for a shot? (I'm exaggerating to make a point.)

For a great example, just look what they keep doing in relation to hydroxychloroquine, including bald-faced lies. The problem isn't the science. It's the money. 

 

3. Ben Carson is involved and Cooper kept yawp yawp yawping something about Ben getting some kind of sleazy profit from a dietary supplement. I just now looked into it and saw the name of the company Ben endorsed and spoke at is Mannatech. It's a highly Christian company, although it also uses multilevel marketing. Still, Ben Carson is a deeply committed Christian. So he sometimes helps out his brother in Christ. Duh...

From what I read, neither CNN nor any law enforcement agencies were able to prove any wrongdoing by Ben or even find any financial link between him and the company. And Ben denies any ties. Yet these assholes keep claiming that Ben is disqualified from everything (probably even from belonging to the human species) because he is guilty of that. And "that" is provably a lie. Yet they keep it up. Yawp yawp yawp yawp yawp yawp yawp...

From the way they act, they hate Christians to the point of bigotry. I'm only using my eyes to say this because it's so blatant, I don't need anything else. This, to me, is part of Cooper's rage against Mike Lindell. He's Christian. Just look at the contempt on Cooper's face every time he insulted Mike and Mike said he was going to pray for Cooper. Pure hatred and bigotry. Just look at the thumbnails on both videos. Cooper looks crazed with negativity.

I am not a Christian, but I do recognize bigotry when I see it.

 

4. Cooper kept trying to talk over Mike to say Mike was going to make money off this new cheap drug. And Mike kept trying to tell him that he makes his money off of pillows, not disease. He's only on the board of this medication thing because he was asked to be there, because of his marketing expertise in helping them with distribution. But make money with this? The fact is, Mike keeps donating money to different areas where help is needed with COVID-19. He has donated millions and millions of dollars so far.

I think Cooper, true to pattern, is accusing others of what he himself (or his peeps) is doing.

It's like the Russian hoax. Hillary Clinton sold uranium to the Russians in a really sleazy setup involving a string of front companies, got silly opposition research on Trump from the Russians, etc. etc. etc. So she blames Trump for stealing the election with Russian aid.

Or like hauling out Stormy Daniels on Trump when their top honchos are screwing underage kids supplied by Epstein.

Things like that.

Cooper is so venomous when he is accusing Mike of making money off this new therapeutic substance for COVID-19, I take that as a signal Cooper is up to his eyeballs in making a shitload of money off the expensive establishment medication--that is, if only they can get enough power to force everyone to take it and pay a high price for it (or finagle the governments to pay their high price).

 

5. Now, for the kicker. From watching that interview, here is the thing that jumped out to me that is causing Cooper to shit his pants. If I understood correctly, Mike's medication is already being reviewed by the FDA with Ben Carson involved. If that medication works for real, if it gets FDA approval and if it is cheap, Gates's racket goes down the toilet. We are talking about potentially trillions of dollars.

And if this racket tanks, the Operation Mockingbird folks (whatever they call themselves these days) are not going to be happy with Cooper for being unable to squash what all of them, Cooper included, consider to be a piss-ant (that is, Mike). I can see the repercussions getting quite painful for Cooper for what they will accuse him of, that is ineptitude.

 

These CNN people are disgusting. I don't want to get into a religious mood, but the feeling inside I get from them is that they are unclean. Morally and spiritually unclean. I look at them and think, "Gross..." And I feel bad, like looking at deformed living things that are putrid with some kind of rot...

On the good side, I wish Mike well on his medication for COVID-19 experience. That means I hope it works according to FDA criteria and I hope he helps stop this disease.  

There's one other thing I hope he does, too. If he is advertising his pillows on CNN, I hope to hell he pulls his account. Those motherfuckers do not deserve a penny from him. Besides, he earns his money. They steal theirs through political rackets and corruption.

Michael

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10 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

I don't know about the technical side of the things involved here

The chemical touted by Anderson's guest is Oleandrin. Its efficacy as treatment or prophylaxis for COVID-19 is not (yet) evident. The plant from which it is derived is toxic ...

The tout had no detailed information to offer, and this is probably what led to the shouty stupidities in the segment.

For an Axios-flavoured take on the Oleandrin touts ... Trump eyes new unproven coronavirus "cure"

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Citing the University of Texas study and HUD Secretary Ben Carson's belief in oleandrin, Whitney said regulators ought to take his product seriously. "This isn't whipped up in a bucket in someone's back garden," he said. "There's support for this."

Between the lines: Whitney enlisted Lindell in his effort to speed up approval of the botanical product.

  • In an interview with Axios on Saturday, Lindell spoke passionately in support of oleandrin and said he was such a believer in the botanical that he now has a financial stake in Phoenix Biotechnology and wants to ensure every American has access to this COVID-19 "cure."
  • Lindell said he first became aware of oleandrin when Whitney called him on Easter Sunday and said it could cure COVID-19.
  • Lindell said he then took the information to Carson, who got on board.

Lindell said he has been taking the unapproved botanical and has shared it with his family and friends. He said he believes it has kept him from getting COVID-19 and has cured other people. (No published clinical studies show the botanical cures or prevents COVID-19. Nor has the FDA said the product is safe or fit for this purpose.)

  • Told about the alarm inside the administration regarding his promotion of oleandrin, Lindell said, "This is the most amazing miracle thing I've ever seen in my life, so I went all in.... If you want to know what I think, I think it's being suppressed because somebody doesn't want this out there because it works."
  • "Why wouldn't the guy that's on the task force [Carson] bring the cure to the president if it's getting stopped at other places?" Lindell added.

Lindell said that in July's Oval Office meeting, he was joined by President Trump, Carson, Whitney, and briefly White House chief of staff Mark Meadows.

 

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William,

In other words, an enthusiastic person brought a potential solution to the powers that be for examination and gushed about it.

Now the powers that be are looking into it.

So why the venom? Why not let the powers that be look?

Obviously it's money and power. 

Peer reviewed publications no longer get an automatic commitment of faith on my part. Some peer reviewed things have led to wonders of mankind and others have led to massive destruction and waste. So when I see the mantra "published" wielded like a scourge in the Anderson Cooper used it, I think of Medieval priests in the torture chamber extracting confessions of faith in the one True Truth from their victims. There is nothing rational, good or productive in that. There is only raw power and outrage at being disobeyed.

Cooper and his peeps know they have to control the FDA to get their racket across. And this leads me to see a statement you posted and that Cooper said in a different light that melts the illusion once illuminated.

25 minutes ago, william.scherk said:

The plant from which it [oleandrin] is derived is toxic...

Oh My God! Mike Lindell is going to make the FDA approve a poison. They are going to kill us all!

:) 

That's a pretty low opinion of the scientists who work for the FDA, wouldn't you say?

:) 

Other than that, if you are interested in beast mode, doesn't Anderson Cooper get awfully cute when he gets furious?

:evil: 

And I can't help repeating, if Mike Lindell is such a contemptible subhuman who can't think, why is Cooper so threatened by him and his influence on human people who can?

Michael

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1 hour ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

In other words, an enthusiastic person brought a potential solution to the powers that be for examination and gushed about it.

That's one way of looking at Oleandrin.

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And another way is to read hits on the fifth page of google results, how in vitro the chemicals appear to interfere with envelope viruses and replication , the positive results with use in patients infected with human t-cell leukemia virus , stuff like that .

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On 8/19/2020 at 4:57 AM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

I don't know about the technical side of the things involved here

MSK didn’t even mention oleandrin. He showed no interest in the merits or demerits of oleandrin for Covid-19. Far more important to him is that Lindell loves Trump and Anderson Cooper despises Trump.

There had been only one study – last month – about oleandrin related to the coronavirus. (But see the Forbes article below.) It showed that oleandrin might inhibit the coronavirus in monkey kidney cells in a test tube! That’s the best Lindell could say and he doesn’t even say it. He has zero evidence that oleandrin can cure, inhibit, or prevent Covid-19 in humans. Cooper asked some reasonable questions. Lindell’s responses were pathetic.

He may not be selling “snake oil,” but he has touted it. At least one of the authors of the “study” is an advisor and ex-board member of Phoenix Biotechnology. I suspect the real “snake oil salesman” is an executive and board member of Phoenix Biotechnology. He also seeks FDA approval to sell oleandrin over-the-counter as a dietary supplement. Imagine how much money that might attract from the gullible with fraudulent advertising.

Lindell’s big mistake was to spend 22+ minutes with Anderson Cooper. As soon as Cooper claimed that Lindell was not a medical specialist or scientist, he should have asked Cooper about his qualifications as a medical specialist or scientist. Since Cooper has none, it would have been fine for Lindell to stop the interview. Instead Lindell shows, besides being a religious nut, he knows even less about oleandrin than Cooper, allowing Cooper to prevail in the opinion of most of the audience despite being obnoxious.

More about this from Forbes.

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That Forbes oped didn't mention the Phase I and Phase II safety trials of oleandrin, I think that was the study Lindell was speaking to.

exactly when do cures or treatments become less dubious or unproven on a novel virus ? and how does that happen ?

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1 hour ago, tmj said:

That Forbes oped didn't mention the Phase I and Phase II safety trials of oleandrin, I think that was the study Lindell was speaking to.

If these alleged studies didn't provide evidence that oleandrin cures or prevents or inhibits Covid-19, so what?

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The trials were conducted prior to the introduction of the novel corona virus. I believe Lindell was trying to argue to the safety of using the chemical and the fashion industry heir was trying to make an argument against any efficacy it may have in disrupting viral replication by attacking the safety study as dubious.

But yeah why even look into it, it's not a non dubious or proven treatment for the novel virus, snakeoil, it's all just to gin up a customer base for supplements. Only proven cures should be used.

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6 hours ago, merjet said:

MSK didn’t even mention oleandrin. He showed no interest in the merits or demerits of oleandrin for Covid-19. Far more important to him is that Lindell loves Trump and Anderson Cooper despises Trump.

Merlin,

Actually, it goes deeper. I despise Anderson Cooper. I think he's an awful human being. If you want to live in the world where people like him tell you what and how to think, that's you. Not me. 

As to oleandrin, why should I look into it and pretend I'm an expert right now? Actual experts are looking at it. Science-wise, I trust Ben Carson. He knows a hell of a lot more about science than fucking Anderson Cooper.

The Trump factor is actually low. You made a good attempt at mind reading, but you're wrong in this case. 

I only read the first paragraph of your post, the one I quoted. I didn't read the rest and I probably won't. From the gratuitous bitchiness of your first paragraph, I'm not interested in what you have to say about Mike Lindell, Anderson Cooper, oleandrin or me. 

Have a good day.

Michael

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