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13 hours ago, Peter said:

Rush Limbaugh was just talking about Governor Cuomo sticking a bunch of senior citizens who were ill or vulnerable into one or two nursing homes which killed off a large percent of them. Hopefully, their families will be able to sue the notorious bastard.

Peter,

I hope so, too. But let's hope for worse for Cuomo.

There's a trope that says politicians who send young men and women off to war are killers. Maybe. But people who go to war know they might be killed. They go there aware.

Old people go to nursing homes to stay alive and avoid risks. A politician who would violate the sanctity of that and create a deadly environment there--even if only from ineptitude or politics--deserves far worse than penalties from a lawsuit.

Michael

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5 hours ago, Peter said:

Turkeyfoot wrote: What the HCQ did was open the cell membrane so that the zinc which has already been shown effective to deal with viruses in the bloodstream could actually get inside the cell membrane and attack the virus there. end quote

 

What do you think?  

SARS-CoV-2 from the standpoint of my health is much ado about nothing personally. Though I am dealing with a shortage of germy crud that I thrive on that cant be had any way other than to have personal contact. I have contractors in my house for the next 4 weeks and they are sane, competent and friendly. I didn't think I'd miss people to the extent that I have who behave as if viruses, even pandemics are normal.

I figure most people will eventually tire of this masquerade and get on with living. I very much dislike the term, "the new normal". It has a very disturbing trend associated with it.

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39 minutes ago, turkeyfoot said:

I very much dislike the term, "the new normal". It has a very disturbing trend associated with it.

Tf,

You might like the following article by one Daisy Luther. I'm linking to her blog, but her article was on ZeroHedge where I first saw it.

Brainwashing and the New Vocabulary: 12 Words and Phrases I Never Want to Hear Again

She starts with "the new normal."

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Let’s take a look at this hostile takeover of our vocabulary with a dozen words I’d like to have stricken from conversations, advertising, and the media.

The new normal
While it’s absolutely true we’re never going “back to normal” like we were before the pandemic, there’s a “new normal” being foisted upon us which is blatantly fueled by fear. Earlier on in the lockdown, I used this phrase a few times in reference to the economy. Sorry about that.

The “new normal” is most often used to get people to accept whatever unconstitutional or undignified rule that people in charge want us to find tolerable, like taped squares on the floor that we’re supposed to stand in while waiting in properly spaced lines. You know how cats will curl up in a taped-off square on the floor as though it was a box? Now they want humans to do that for the privilege of buying alcohol or food.

Other bizarre “new normal” activities are having your temperature taken by someone brandishing an infrared thermometer gun, scurrying around in a mask in stores trying to avoid other humans like you’re playing some kind of weird game of tag, and publicly shaming those who don’t act terrified because they clearly hate old people.

To be sure, Daisy is not advocating for censorship of these phrases or a new PC language. She's merely letting people know that, when they use these terms without thinking (because they are bombarded with them 24/7 through the media), they are playing the game of the authoritarians who want to rule them.

In neuroscience terms, when these phrases get repeated as often as the media is currently doing, they become the roots of entire neural networks. (I won't go into the way this happens with brain cells, synapses, myelination, etc., but this stuff exists.) In other words, when you speak or write, you will not use these phrases through the lens of your own world view, with your own world view as the frame to provide context for them. You will use these phrases as your own frame to think about everything else as you assimilate these phrases into your world view through sheer repetition.

Pretty soon, if you allow this to happen, you will be a "new normal" person. One who is easy to corral.

Baaaahhhh... moo... cluck cluck cluck...

🙂 

Michael

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22 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Tf,

You might like the following article by one Daisy Luther. I'm linking to her blog, but her article was on ZeroHedge where I first saw it.

Brainwashing and the New Vocabulary: 12 Words and Phrases I Never Want to Hear Again

She starts with "the new normal."

To be sure, Daisy is not advocating for censorship of these phrases or a new PC language. She's merely letting people know that, when they use these terms without thinking (because they are bombarded with them 24/7 through the media), they are playing the game of the authoritarians who want to rule them.

In neuroscience terms, when these phrases get repeated as often as the media is currently doing, they become the roots of entire neural networks. (I won't go into the way this happens with brain cells, synapses, myelination, etc., but this stuff exists.) In other words, when you speak or write, you will not use these phrases through the lens of your own world view, with your own world view as the frame to provide context for them. You will use these phrases as your own frame to think about everything else as you assimilate these phrases into your world view through sheer repetition.

Pretty soon, if you allow this to happen, you will be a "new normal" person. One who is easy to corral.

Baaaahhhh... moo... cluck cluck cluck...

🙂 

Michael

I think I understand your point. Listening to the tv you'd hear quips and phrases and it becomes a kind of short handed way of speaking. I learned what was on tv by hearing it from friends. I wasn't allowed to watch it and besides we were often in Europe. First thing the old man did as he walked in the door was to feel the tv. If it was warm there was "hell to pay" or maybe it was punishment. Coupled with the Col's general attitude you could still say I was "brainwashed" or disciplined to fear retribution. Fear of not knowing how to assign meaning leads to attaching to an easier catch phrase language. The way I view communication is to find a simple direct way for "you" and another to "get" on the same wave length. Either through stories that help explain a predicament or a reference to a shared event. Often its mocking, as in, the phrase, the meaning of the word is is. But it doesnt have to be that. I cant tell you how often I see people chumming with one another in a short hand where you really cant tell whats being said. But boy are they getting it. 

Its funny as I watch tv, what I hear today, for instance, I heard before 2, 3, sometimes 4 weeks ago. The same bullet points, same catch phrased, news. Especially with SARS 2. It happens more with the local broadcasts where I think most people get their news. Just to sample it is beyond what I can sit still for. "The new normal." What Luthur said about that is we're never going back. Really? How does she pretend to know. Or is she brain washing? Ha! I probably see the similar things which might lead to assumptions being the same. But you know what is said re assumptions? They make an a$$ out of you and me.

As I mentioned I grew up in military settings. I came into contact with confident, strong people. Coaches, teachers, parents. My boyhood was awash in military lore and something I wanted to be a part of. Its said Basic Training is a kind of brain washing. Turn civilians into killers. My sperm donor was a killer and very cruel man. I lived on a steady diet of being told I was stupid and spastic. It confused me. How could I believe it when I was a pitcher on the little league team. His beratings took a toll. Its much like anything that you come to question and drill down, peel back layers and come to understand better the reasoning or lack of that provides a different perspective allowing someone to move on.

And its that sense I have with what is going on with the virus specifically. I wonder and am probably casting my thoughts onto others, but when its discovered, the sheer volume of bs, wrong headed, acceptance someone put themselves through and for what, I think there will be a reckoning. Now, do I see it, no I don't not now.

About 6 weeks ago there was a lot of isolation. I ventured out and swapped nasty unhygienic stuff with fellow sports nuts. I went for carry out. And what happened next was unreal mostly because in the first days i really wanted to get sick. ha ha I know how that must sound but I just wanted to put an end to the unknown. I may have had it in early Dec. I was diagnosed with Strep but I had a lot of breathing issues too.

Anyway, I stood in line behind a gal paying her bill and picking up her food. Maybe 3-4' behind her. Suddenly a belligerent voice shouts out, "Get away from my wife." I understood right away he was unwilling to defend her. So I turned, "Ask your wife to move, if she wants." There were probably 10 people in a very obvious CORONA stance. Anyway, the guy, "Do you notice whats happening here?" My reply, "Go away with your paranoia." It was very interesting watching faces as this went down. On one hand there were those who chose to not engage, hanging their heads, looking askance. Others were nonchalant. I saw the power of one person speaking out against another and the rebukes from one who forgot what he was doing when I asked if he was in line ahead of me.   

Heres a part of an article by M. Hurd: "The way these schools brainwash kids is by PRETENDING that socialism is the only system there is, and pairing socialism with things they idealize — virtue, kindness, sensitivity. They also exploit the fear and other insecurities of young people. “Most other people are mean. It’s better to be nice. The world would be a better place if everyone were nice. If we had the Green New Deal, and higher taxes, and progressive policies, then all would be nice. Socialism is what a lot of these young people come to through default, more than the result of any explicit ideological teaching or persuasion. That’s how you indoctrinate a person. Exploit his fear, as well as his honest ignorance, and pretend that your point-of-view is the only serious one worth considering."

I then read this: "Because they are afraid. And they are afraid because they don’t have the tools for using their minds."  It reminded me of The Comprachicos by Rand. People become what it is others want them to be. When force is used it can be uglier and forever. Ive heard for many years, the mantra exuding from Objectivist types speaking about schools and Why Johnny Can't Think. But I can latch on to this thread of meaning for myself because I lived as a youngster being afraid. Afraid of getting belted and of activities being taken from me. But not afraid of what I think, more afraid of taking action.  I was mostly on restriction during the school years but allowed to play sports. Sports were what saved me. More, it was the relationships I had and the brotherhood taken from doing something together that meant a lot. Its just called living, nothing more. Sorry for the way back memories, it was easier to draw from personal experiences

And that's where normal comes in, comes back. It will be like a bad memory, a cursory experiment in hysteria and control gone bad not "distancing." Because the human condition is not fated. There is plenty to take away. Its like the magic trick of cups and balls. Fool me once shame on me......the saying goes. Or not.

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