Coronavirus

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

13 hours ago, Peter said:

Rush Limbaugh was just talking about Governor Cuomo sticking a bunch of senior citizens who were ill or vulnerable into one or two nursing homes which killed off a large percent of them. Hopefully, their families will be able to sue the notorious bastard.

Peter,

I hope so, too. But let's hope for worse for Cuomo.

There's a trope that says politicians who send young men and women off to war are killers. Maybe. But people who go to war know they might be killed. They go there aware.

Old people go to nursing homes to stay alive and avoid risks. A politician who would violate the sanctity of that and create a deadly environment there--even if only from ineptitude or politics--deserves far worse than penalties from a lawsuit.

Michael

[turkeyfoot]

5 hours ago, Peter said:

Turkeyfoot wrote: What the HCQ did was open the cell membrane so that the zinc which has already been shown effective to deal with viruses in the bloodstream could actually get inside the cell membrane and attack the virus there. end quote

 

What do you think?  

SARS-CoV-2 from the standpoint of my health is much ado about nothing personally. Though I am dealing with a shortage of germy crud that I thrive on that cant be had any way other than to have personal contact. I have contractors in my house for the next 4 weeks and they are sane, competent and friendly. I didn't think I'd miss people to the extent that I have who behave as if viruses, even pandemics are normal.

I figure most people will eventually tire of this masquerade and get on with living. I very much dislike the term, "the new normal". It has a very disturbing trend associated with it.

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

39 minutes ago, turkeyfoot said:

I very much dislike the term, "the new normal". It has a very disturbing trend associated with it.

Tf,

You might like the following article by one Daisy Luther. I'm linking to her blog, but her article was on ZeroHedge where I first saw it.

Brainwashing and the New Vocabulary: 12 Words and Phrases I Never Want to Hear Again

She starts with "the new normal."

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Let’s take a look at this hostile takeover of our vocabulary with a dozen words I’d like to have stricken from conversations, advertising, and the media.

The new normal
While it’s absolutely true we’re never going “back to normal” like we were before the pandemic, there’s a “new normal” being foisted upon us which is blatantly fueled by fear. Earlier on in the lockdown, I used this phrase a few times in reference to the economy. Sorry about that.

The “new normal” is most often used to get people to accept whatever unconstitutional or undignified rule that people in charge want us to find tolerable, like taped squares on the floor that we’re supposed to stand in while waiting in properly spaced lines. You know how cats will curl up in a taped-off square on the floor as though it was a box? Now they want humans to do that for the privilege of buying alcohol or food.

Other bizarre “new normal” activities are having your temperature taken by someone brandishing an infrared thermometer gun, scurrying around in a mask in stores trying to avoid other humans like you’re playing some kind of weird game of tag, and publicly shaming those who don’t act terrified because they clearly hate old people.

To be sure, Daisy is not advocating for censorship of these phrases or a new PC language. She's merely letting people know that, when they use these terms without thinking (because they are bombarded with them 24/7 through the media), they are playing the game of the authoritarians who want to rule them.

In neuroscience terms, when these phrases get repeated as often as the media is currently doing, they become the roots of entire neural networks. (I won't go into the way this happens with brain cells, synapses, myelination, etc., but this stuff exists.) In other words, when you speak or write, you will not use these phrases through the lens of your own world view, with your own world view as the frame to provide context for them. You will use these phrases as your own frame to think about everything else as you assimilate these phrases into your world view through sheer repetition.

Pretty soon, if you allow this to happen, you will be a "new normal" person. One who is easy to corral.

Baaaahhhh... moo... cluck cluck cluck...

 

Michael

[Jon Letendre]

"If" is cute.

 

 

[turkeyfoot]

22 hours ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Tf,

You might like the following article by one Daisy Luther. I'm linking to her blog, but her article was on ZeroHedge where I first saw it.

Brainwashing and the New Vocabulary: 12 Words and Phrases I Never Want to Hear Again

She starts with "the new normal."

To be sure, Daisy is not advocating for censorship of these phrases or a new PC language. She's merely letting people know that, when they use these terms without thinking (because they are bombarded with them 24/7 through the media), they are playing the game of the authoritarians who want to rule them.

In neuroscience terms, when these phrases get repeated as often as the media is currently doing, they become the roots of entire neural networks. (I won't go into the way this happens with brain cells, synapses, myelination, etc., but this stuff exists.) In other words, when you speak or write, you will not use these phrases through the lens of your own world view, with your own world view as the frame to provide context for them. You will use these phrases as your own frame to think about everything else as you assimilate these phrases into your world view through sheer repetition.

Pretty soon, if you allow this to happen, you will be a "new normal" person. One who is easy to corral.

Baaaahhhh... moo... cluck cluck cluck...

 

Michael

I think I understand your point. Listening to the tv you'd hear quips and phrases and it becomes a kind of short handed way of speaking. I learned what was on tv by hearing it from friends. I wasn't allowed to watch it and besides we were often in Europe. First thing the old man did as he walked in the door was to feel the tv. If it was warm there was "hell to pay" or maybe it was punishment. Coupled with the Col's general attitude you could still say I was "brainwashed" or disciplined to fear retribution. Fear of not knowing how to assign meaning leads to attaching to an easier catch phrase language. The way I view communication is to find a simple direct way for "you" and another to "get" on the same wave length. Either through stories that help explain a predicament or a reference to a shared event. Often its mocking, as in, the phrase, the meaning of the word is is. But it doesnt have to be that. I cant tell you how often I see people chumming with one another in a short hand where you really cant tell whats being said. But boy are they getting it. 

Its funny as I watch tv, what I hear today, for instance, I heard before 2, 3, sometimes 4 weeks ago. The same bullet points, same catch phrased, news. Especially with SARS 2. It happens more with the local broadcasts where I think most people get their news. Just to sample it is beyond what I can sit still for. "The new normal." What Luthur said about that is we're never going back. Really? How does she pretend to know. Or is she brain washing? Ha! I probably see the similar things which might lead to assumptions being the same. But you know what is said re assumptions? They make an a$$ out of you and me.

As I mentioned I grew up in military settings. I came into contact with confident, strong people. Coaches, teachers, parents. My boyhood was awash in military lore and something I wanted to be a part of. Its said Basic Training is a kind of brain washing. Turn civilians into killers. My sperm donor was a killer and very cruel man. I lived on a steady diet of being told I was stupid and spastic. It confused me. How could I believe it when I was a pitcher on the little league team. His beratings took a toll. Its much like anything that you come to question and drill down, peel back layers and come to understand better the reasoning or lack of that provides a different perspective allowing someone to move on.

And its that sense I have with what is going on with the virus specifically. I wonder and am probably casting my thoughts onto others, but when its discovered, the sheer volume of bs, wrong headed, acceptance someone put themselves through and for what, I think there will be a reckoning. Now, do I see it, no I don't not now.

About 6 weeks ago there was a lot of isolation. I ventured out and swapped nasty unhygienic stuff with fellow sports nuts. I went for carry out. And what happened next was unreal mostly because in the first days i really wanted to get sick. ha ha I know how that must sound but I just wanted to put an end to the unknown. I may have had it in early Dec. I was diagnosed with Strep but I had a lot of breathing issues too.

Anyway, I stood in line behind a gal paying her bill and picking up her food. Maybe 3-4' behind her. Suddenly a belligerent voice shouts out, "Get away from my wife." I understood right away he was unwilling to defend her. So I turned, "Ask your wife to move, if she wants." There were probably 10 people in a very obvious CORONA stance. Anyway, the guy, "Do you notice whats happening here?" My reply, "Go away with your paranoia." It was very interesting watching faces as this went down. On one hand there were those who chose to not engage, hanging their heads, looking askance. Others were nonchalant. I saw the power of one person speaking out against another and the rebukes from one who forgot what he was doing when I asked if he was in line ahead of me.   

Heres a part of an article by M. Hurd: "The way these schools brainwash kids is by PRETENDING that socialism is the only system there is, and pairing socialism with things they idealize — virtue, kindness, sensitivity. They also exploit the fear and other insecurities of young people. “Most other people are mean. It’s better to be nice. The world would be a better place if everyone were nice. If we had the Green New Deal, and higher taxes, and progressive policies, then all would be nice. Socialism is what a lot of these young people come to through default, more than the result of any explicit ideological teaching or persuasion. That’s how you indoctrinate a person. Exploit his fear, as well as his honest ignorance, and pretend that your point-of-view is the only serious one worth considering."

I then read this: "Because they are afraid. And they are afraid because they don’t have the tools for using their minds."  It reminded me of The Comprachicos by Rand. People become what it is others want them to be. When force is used it can be uglier and forever. Ive heard for many years, the mantra exuding from Objectivist types speaking about schools and Why Johnny Can't Think. But I can latch on to this thread of meaning for myself because I lived as a youngster being afraid. Afraid of getting belted and of activities being taken from me. But not afraid of what I think, more afraid of taking action.  I was mostly on restriction during the school years but allowed to play sports. Sports were what saved me. More, it was the relationships I had and the brotherhood taken from doing something together that meant a lot. Its just called living, nothing more. Sorry for the way back memories, it was easier to draw from personal experiences

And that's where normal comes in, comes back. It will be like a bad memory, a cursory experiment in hysteria and control gone bad not "distancing." Because the human condition is not fated. There is plenty to take away. Its like the magic trick of cups and balls. Fool me once shame on me......the saying goes. Or not.

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

Bill Gates and the ideology of eugenics.

Corbett.

Michael

[Peter]

People started coming on the Ocean City MD boardwalk this weekend. And the same thing seems to be occurring across the country. I will continue to self isolate. The numbers have been steady but growing and in some places the death rate may be increasing.

Coronavirus cases in the U.S.: 1,696,874 and fatal cases 99,459. So deaths divided by cases give us 0.0586130732 or rounding up nearly 6 percent of the people in America who get Covid 19 die.

World Wide cases: 5,495,061 and fatal cases 346,232. So deaths divided by cases give us 0.0630078538 or 6.3 percent of the people worldwide who get Covid 19 die.

[Peter]

To reiterate. From "Water Temperatures Around the World." Ocean City: The current water temperature od 62.6° F. The temperature is too cold to swim.

That did not stop some people from jumping in. I know someone who has a store on the boardwalk and another is in the “hospitality industry” and they may or may not be glad to be back working around ALL THOSE people.

Imagine working or visiting the Walmart on route 50 for supplies before you get to your hotel room. Say there are 60 people working there and 200 people shopping. That means you would be breathing the same air as 260 other people. And many of the people who travel to OC are from New York, Pennsylvania, and northern New Jersey. (take the bridge to Delaware, go south on route 13 and 113 then turn left which is east on route 50.) Rastafarians incorrectly spell our state’s name, “Marley Land.” joke. Those three states have some of the highest numbers of Covid 19 cases. Peter  

[Jon Letendre]

On 5/21/2020 at 5:21 PM, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Peter,

I hope so, too. But let's hope for worse for Cuomo.

There's a trope that says politicians who send young men and women off to war are killers. Maybe. But people who go to war know they might be killed. They go there aware.

Old people go to nursing homes to stay alive and avoid risks. A politician who would violate the sanctity of that and create a deadly environment there--even if only from ineptitude or politics--deserves far worse than penalties from a lawsuit.

Michael

 

Cuomo is guilty of mass murder.

 

 

[Jon Letendre]

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Italy: 96% of Coronavirus Fatalities Had Other Chronic Illnesses

Q!!Hs1Jq13jV627 May 2020 - 12:56:56 PM

https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/05/27/italy-96-of-coronavirus-fatalities-had-other-chronic-illnesses/
The more you know…
Q

 

 

https://qmap.pub

[Peter]

Hot of the web. 80 percent of coronavirus infected people are a-systematic. No problems. Maybe a little, "not up to par," but I am OK. And then they pass it on. I don't think I will be getting into a cab.  

[anthony]

On 5/27/2020 at 10:41 PM, Jon Letendre said:

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Italy: 96% of Coronavirus Fatalities Had Other Chronic Illnesses

Q!!Hs1Jq13jV627 May 2020 - 12:56:56 PM

https://www.breitbart.com/health/2020/05/27/italy-96-of-coronavirus-fatalities-had-other-chronic-illnesses/
The more you know…
Q

 

 

https://qmap.pub

The W.H.O must be made culpable, cut off and discredited.

Recent headline on the News: "WHO predicts there could be 250 million cases of CV 19 on the African continent in the next year". (From a total pop. 1.2 billion?) This is irresponsible and bad science, at least, if not panic-mongering. Infections in African countries have relatively remained very low, for whatever causes - less population density, low initial infections, I guess, and others. But such reports keep the people submissive and fuel state power-grabs here.

These are the 'experts' who purport to have global "health" as their sole purpose and concern. But who managed to control the virus "narrative" to the extent of having Google and You Tube censor competing views? Why should they fear competition if they have conviction in their policies and methods directed at virus control?

And who seem oblivious to what the rebels, outspoken doctors/epidemiologists/etc. are calling "secondary health risks" due to the greater threat: economic devastation (including, for only one, higher suicide numbers fore cast)?

Psychological concerns? They too fall under world health, you'd think.

Control of "world health" -> mass control of emotions/minds -> control of economic/political power.

[anthony]

Now and again, slips through in the media. By accident perhaps.

"So and so died of coronavirus complications". 

This is closer to the truth, it's certain. "Comorbidity" and resultant complications.

But which causes what, how often, and what is the official/medical cause of death, I have no expertise in.

[william.scherk]

7 hours ago, anthony said:

Recent headline on the News: "WHO predicts there could be 250 million cases of CV 19 on the African continent in the next year". (From a total pop. 1.2 billion?) This is irresponsible and bad science, at least, if not panic-mongering.

Headlines can be somewhat deceptive at the best of times, I think.  

Headline from the Guardian, May 15 2020: Africa facing a quarter of a billion coronavirus cases, WHO predicts

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Infections in African countrie  have relatively remained very low, for whatever causes - less population density, low initial infections, I guess, and others. But such reports keep the people submissive and fuel state power-grabs here.

Subheadline of the Guardian story:  Africa facing a quarter of a billion coronavirus cases, WHO predicts | But continent will have fewer deaths than Europe and US because of its younger population and other lifestyle factors

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These are the 'experts' who purport to have global "health" as their sole purpose and concern. But who managed to control the virus "narrative" to the extent of having Google and You Tube censor competing views? Why should they fear competition if they have conviction in their policies and methods directed at virus control?

And who seem oblivious to what the rebels, the honest, outspoken doctors/epidemiologists/etc. are calling "secondary health risks" due to the greater threat: economic devastation (including, for only one, higher suicide numbers fore cast)?

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Psychological concerns? This falls under world health, you'd think.

Control of "world health" -> mass control of emotions/minds -> control of economic/political power.

For the official page of the South African government's COVID-19 response, strictures, numbers, plan, etcetera ... https://www.gov.za/Coronavirus

The WHO's African region website has a number of metrics and points of information for those curious about its good/evil work: https://www.afro.who.int/health-topics/coronavirus-covid-19

Edited May 28, 2020 by william.scherk
Added missing "Infections in African countries" ...

[anthony]

Yes, William. Probable factors which this article points to.

"Africa is an outlier".

The latest figures I have for the continent of AFRICA are: 124,733 infections/ 3,700 deaths. May 13. Three months since original infection/transmission.

So pray tell how the "model" WHO has concocted can possibly predict 250, 000,000 infections in Africa? And expect anyone to swallow their Gospel?

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwij5I7Xx9fpAhXLSsAKHW33CpYQFjAQegQIChAB&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.theafricareport.com%2F27470%2Fcoronavirus-unpacking-the-theories-behind-africas-low-infection-rate%2F&usg=AOvVaw0YPV9DFhIwT7HuqYGI7gSv

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[anthony]

Nobody has not noted that the WHO's anticipated pandemic figures have consistently been - how should I put it - ever so slightly on the high side. By contrast with what present outcomes worldwide are likely panning out to be, in reality.

"Slightly high"? By a factor of a thousand or two? Hmm..

Ah, anyone can make an honest math mistake in a prognosis. We are only human.

[Jon Letendre]

Truth right in front of you.

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81% of Minnesota COVID-19 Deaths Are from Nursing Homes

Q!!Hs1Jq13jV6 28 May 2020 - 11:39:13 AM

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/05/21/nursing-homes-residents-account-for-81-of-covid-19-deaths-in-minnesota-but-state-still-allows-facilities-to-admit-covid-19-positive-patients/
The truth is right in front of you.
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[anthony]

Crowder on protests and Trevor Noah:

 

[ThatGuy]

Elan Journo just posted on Facebook a defense of Bill Gates for his pandemic efforts whe chastising his critics. Civil war in comments. Making the "great Objectivist schism" look like a mere lover's spat...(ummm...)

 

 

 

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

10 minutes ago, anthony said:

Noah:

Tony,

That's what you guys exported to America.

Thanks a lot.

Someday we just might return the favor and send you Kathy Griffin and Al Franken.

Michael

[anthony]

1 hour ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Tony,

That's what you guys exported to America.

Thanks a lot.

Someday we just might return the favor and send you Kathy Griffin and Al Franken.

Michael

Thanks but no thanks, MSK. You got him, you can keep him. Noah's pretexts have finally been exposed. It took me a while (back here when his career was starting up, I enjoyed TN who was very amusing and clever and conciliatory to the whites, and drew large mixed theater audiences who revere him) to realize that he's basically an anti-white racist (and anti- American as Crowder and you notice) and always was.

[Ellen Stuttle]

From the Elan Journo Facebook entry TG posted a few posts above:

===== Start Quote =====

"[Gates'] philanthropic foundation has pledged $250 million to help with the manufacture of promising vaccines for the novel coronavirus."

===== End Quote =====

And then watch what's coming.  India, especially, look out.  Bad batch of vaccine?  Many deaths?

And, predicting a pandemic for which the world isn't prepared is such a great deniability cover for writing the blueprint for said pandemic.

Ellen

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

Heh.

Elan Journo strikes a blow for truth and defends Bill Gates according to a story in his skull that aligns with a myopic view of Ayn Rand's positions.

Well think about this. Bill Gates is one of the major funders of the World Health Organization. He has been the second largest funder for years, right behind the USA, which was first.

Now think about the following.

The USA, as of today, is no longer a member of the World Health Organization.

Why?

Because WHO is a puppet of the Chinese Communist Party and President Trump got fed up with it.

In other words, Bill Gates has been fine with the objectives of the Chinese Communist Party at WHO, so much so, he was a major WHO sponsor for years. Gates is not a stupid man and does not throw well over a billion dollars at something without looking at what he is paying for. So this control of WHO by the Chinese Communist Party could not have escaped his attention.

Now notice that Journo supports Gates, yet doesn't see the Chinese Communist Party connection.

Vladimir Lenin used to call people like Elan Journo a "useful idiot." Or at least this term is attributed to Lenin.

Now consider this. Elan Journo is, in indirect but practical terms, advocating for the Chinese Communist Party in the name of Ayn Rand. I wonder what she would have thought about that.

I don't channel Rand, but I imagine "useful idiot" is tame compared to what would have come out of her mouth.

Michael

[Ellen Stuttle]

1 hour ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

In other words, Bill Gates has been fine with the objectives of the Chinese Communist Party at WHO, so much so, he was a major WHO sponsor for years. Gates is not a stupid man and does not throw well over a billion dollars at something without looking at what he is paying for. So this control of WHO by the Chinese Communist Party could not have escaped his attention.

It's stronger than Gates' being "fine with the objectives of the Chinese Communist Party at WHO."  He's in league with them, in a partnership with them.

1 hour ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

I don't channel Rand, but I imagine "useful idiot" is tame compared to what would have come out of her mouth.

Haha.  Ears would singe.

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The tweet from the White House has 20.1K likes as I write - 9:43 pm edt.  It s time stamped at 4:15 pm today, May 29, 2020.

Let's see how high the "Likes" tally gets.

Ellen

[Peter]

Isn't Elon Musk from South Africa? The launch, rain permitting, is a bit after 3 pm Saturday.   

edit. I looked at Wikipedia’s page on South Africans.

Elon Musk, (born June 28, 1971, Pretoria, South Africa), South African-born American entrepreneur who cofounded the electronic-payment firm PayPal and formed SpaceX, maker of launch vehicles and spacecraft. Another businessman was Cecil Rhodes.

Authors Wilber Smith and J.R.R Tolkien. Actors Basil Rathbone and Charlize Theron were all born in South Africa. And of course our own great South African, Anthony.