Deep State Unraveling

[ThatGuy]

2 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

TG,

Let me paraphrase.

Remember China! You have a duty! To keep the peace, so CRUCIFY HIM!

("We have no master but China!")

Or better:

Remember The Swamp! You have a duty! To keep the peace, so CRUCIFY HIM!

("We have no ruling class but The Swamp!")

Michael

Perfect. 'Nuff said.

("Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose...")

[Peter]

46 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

How guilty is the victim?

As former President Bill Clinton said, “I feel your pain.” Here are some questions and I am NOT trying to psychologize President Trump. But did he accomplish what he wanted to, on “that fateful day?”  

How far did he want the protesters to go?

Did he care if Vice President Pence or Senator Mitt Romney, just as an example, were hurt or injured? Or did he want them to just pee their pants. Joke.    

I have watched videos of the speeches that day and I would surmise that they ALL wanted the protesters to go to the Capitol but I do not think they wanted anyone to die. Yet, they “may have been OK” with the building being trashed. Peter.

 From The Voice of Reason, originally published in The Objectivist, March, 1971: "Psychologizing consists in condemning or excusing specific individuals on the grounds of their psychological problems, real or invented, in the absence of or contrary to factual evidence." Rand described psychologizing as a "game that has many variants and ramifications, none of them innocent, a game that could be called a racket.  It consists, in essence, of substituting psychology for philosophy."

 

[Peter]

36 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

In your present state of mind based on your posts right now, I can't imagine you making that mistake.

If I count on my fingers I think 66.666 would be required for conviction. joke. If it had been 50-50 could VP Harris cast a vote for impeachment? Another bad joke. I hope.

[Peter]

43 minutes ago, Michael Stuart Kelly said:

Why is that, I wonder, I wonder?

Who would I be for, Biden or Trump in 2024? Trump. Kamalama Ding Dong Harris or Trump in 2024? Trump.

But . . . if the pre-nomination numbers suggest, but not prove, Trump would be unelectable in 2024 would I vote for another candidate over former President Trump? I don't know.

I think a third party run by Trump in 2024 or 2028 would guarantee a democratic victory. Peter   

[Peter]

1 hour ago, ThatGuy said:

For fuck's sake, Peter, any errors Trump made pale...PALE...in comparison to the legal and MORAL crimes of the left/right swamp coalition.

I can't get rid of the extra spacing and my cut and paste resulted in a really large type size. Odd. I  am not trying to besmirch President Trump in any way or pulling a Marc Antony on you or President Trump. We were freer, safer, and better off, under President Trump and I truly think he may have been the best President we have ever had. The proof is within our reasoning capacity and history will also judge. I think the loss was horrible but it in no way justified sacking the Capitol or the loss of five lives. Nor is rebellion justified. Peter    

“Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears” by William Shakespeare. (from Julius Caesar, spoken by Marc Antony)

Friends, Romans, countrymen, lend me your ears;

I come to bury Caesar, not to praise him.

The evil that men do lives after them;

The good is oft interred with their bones;

So let it be with Caesar. The noble Brutus

Hath told you Caesar was ambitious:

If it were so, it was a grievous fault,

And grievously hath Caesar answer’d it.

Here, under leave of Brutus and the rest–

For Brutus is an honourable man;

So are they all, all honourable men–

Come I to speak in Caesar’s funeral.

He was my friend, faithful and just to me:

But Brutus says he was ambitious;

And Brutus is an honourable man.

He hath brought many captives home to Rome

Whose ransoms did the general coffers fill:

Did this in Caesar seem ambitious?

When that the poor have cried, Caesar hath wept:

Ambition should be made of sterner stuff:

Yet Brutus says he was ambitious;

And Brutus is an honourable man.

You all did see that on the Lupercal

I thrice presented him a kingly crown,

Which he did thrice refuse: was this ambition?

Yet Brutus says he was ambitious;

And, sure, he is an honourable man.

I speak not to disprove what Brutus spoke,

But here I am to speak what I do know.

You all did love him once, not without cause:

What cause withholds you then, to mourn for him?

O judgment! thou art fled to brutish beasts,

And men have lost their reason. Bear with me;

My heart is in the coffin there with Caesar,

And I must pause till it come back to me.

 

[ThatGuy]

deleted-unnecessary/ posted in anger
 

[ThatGuy]

deleted. Hyperbole. Peter's not a Judas, just a "useful idiot" to the cause of the deep state.

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

I always stand in awe at people who look at President Trump's life--well over a half a century in the public of nonviolence and deal-making at the highest levels the world over--and believe he would call people together like a gang of thugs and send them off armed to the teeth to assault and destroy the capitol building--with the members of Congress in it at that.

Whatever these people are smoking, they got the good stuff...  

This shows the power of propaganda done right since most people who have swallowed that garbage are fine intelligent people who would not fall for the lines of a sleazy used car salesman, but always fall for the most preposterous swindles that sugarcoat real violence (both home and abroad) with a layer of sweetened shit, which they consume and call super-duper, only because they are familiar with the messengers.

If there is one thing the The Swamp does right, they do propaganda right. They lie over and over and over in people's faces, tell some of the most idiotic stories that don't stand the reality test of any 7 year old, and get the public coming back salivating for more like sheeple to the slaughter.

Day after day after day.

Michael

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

3 hours ago, Peter said:

How far did he want the protesters to go?

Peter,

Obviously Trump wanted the protesters to pull out submachine guns, assault rifles, bazookas, grenades, mortars, in fact, a whole arsenal of ordinance and mow down any and all people before them right before the protesters set fire to the capitol building. He wanted the walls of the capitol to cave in and topple.

He also wanted the protesters to behead the members of Congress like ISIS did prisoners, with video footage to later edit. Then he wanted them to loot the capitol building of anything of value before it burned down. That is, after they finished raping all women worth raping.

After that, he wanted to say loud and clear to the Democrats to not fuck with him. Because that was only a taste of what was to come.

How does that sound?

  

Michael

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

3 hours ago, Peter said:

Yet, they “may have been OK” with the building being trashed.

Peter,

You mean the anti-Trump people? Of course they were OK with the damage--what little happened. They set it up.

Remember the buffalo horn dude?

Those media photographers were not pro-Trump people. They were there--well in advance--to set up a narrative. And the buffalo horn dude was practically invited in by security.

(btw - Photo via Patrick Byrne.)

The anti-Trump people actually wanted more damage so they could photograph it and film it and spin it in the media.

Unfortunately for them, they had to make do mostly mixing the anti-Trump rabble rousers with wide shots of Trump supporters outside the capitol.

Michael

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

How sweet it is.

Pelosi Lashes Out at McConnell, GOP After She Becomes First House Speaker to Bring Two Failed Impeachments (VIDEO)

 

Once it dawns on Pelosi's backers that she is an incompetent enemy of Trump, it is going to get a lot worse for her.

And I am going to enjoy ever minute of watching her sanctimonious cheating-ass face fall in despair and hopelessness as her credibility goes straight into the toilet. 

I want to see her in jail.

Michael

[anthony]

I suspect everything that comes from CNN, and have avoided them like the plague, but sometimes they and the WaPo have to get some thing right. I've not seen this item get ANY exposure. Back in January, it is generally known to you guys, right? "Were not incited" - "part of a preplanned conspiracy".

https://capitalismmagazine.us12.list-manage.com/track/click?u=e6daac5bbabca715ce33f553e&id=f55b06a9b9&e=1ce5f80967

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

40 minutes ago, anthony said:

I suspect everything that comes from CNN, and have avoided them like the plague, but sometimes they and the WaPo have to get some thing right. I've not seen this item get ANY exposure. Back in January, it is generally known to you guys, right? "Were not incited" - "part of a preplanned conspiracy".

https://capitalismmagazine.us12.list-manage.com/track/click?u=e6daac5bbabca715ce33f553e&id=f55b06a9b9&e=1ce5f80967

Tony,

Good God!

Capitalism Magazine used to be an ARI-friendly magazine.

What happened?

President Trump is supposed to be the equivalent of the Objectivist Satan to them.

At least someone over there has some sense. On looking deeper, I see it's Andrew Bernstein.

That explains it. He's cool, although I have an issue or two with mixing Greek Gods and college basketball and tacking the handle Swoop on it.

I noticed a few weeks ago on Facebook he started changing his mind about President Trump based on what he saw, started questioning the hatred, and started getting duly blasted by the "don't you dare" crowd.

He has now committed the ultimate sin and is looking with his own eyes. There is no turning back from that...

Michael

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

I'm not the only person saying the Jan. 6 event with the Capitol was a set-up.

Here is the leader of the Michigan Senate, Mike Shirkey, openly saying it was a hoax. He didn't know he was being filmed, but he is clear in front of the whole table that the invasion of the Capitol was staged. Nobody disagreed with him.

WATCH: Michigan Senate Majority Leader Says Capitol Takeover Was ‘Staged’ and a ‘Hoax’ in Secretly Recorded Conv

Here's the video.

Even Mitch had his finger in it...

The fact is, everybody knows all this. But the media keeps on honking the honk of otherwise. And now, those in power now want it to be true, even though they know it's a steaming pile of bullshit. 

History is not going to be kind to the people who are involved in this hoax, especially after some of them go to jail.

Michael

[Ellen Stuttle]

1 hour ago, anthony said:

I suspect everything that comes from CNN, and have avoided them like the plague, but sometimes they and the WaPo have to get some thing right. I've not seen this item get ANY exposure. Back in January, it is generally known to you guys, right? "Were not incited" - "part of a preplanned conspiracy".

https://capitalismmagazine.us12.list-manage.com/track/click?u=e6daac5bbabca715ce33f553e&id=f55b06a9b9&e=1ce5f80967

Note that the WaPo article quoted refers to 

"The arrests this weekend of several people with alleged ties to far-right extremist groups, including the Oath Keepers, the Proud Boys and the Three Percenters..."

Looks to me like preparation for classifying those groups as "domestic terrorism" organizations.

Ellen

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

btw - Just another thought. I believe this.

The Dems wanted to restrict President Trump from ever holding office again because they know they stole the election. And in the event the Supreme Court ever makes a decision where Biden and Harris will have to step down, they did not want Trump to be able to take his rightful place.

Michael

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

LOL...

Michael

[Michael Stuart Kelly]

If only more people did this, the marriage between the media and Deep State/Democratic Party would end in divorce.

What a nice moment.

It felt like taking a bath after not being able to for a week doing hard labor in hot country...

Michael

[Peter]

5 hours ago, ThatGuy said:

The loss of five lives is tragic, but also, suspect in what actually went down.

Two locals who participated are known by a family member and they are avid Trump supporters. However I also know the Proud Boys who are violence incarnate were there and probably some Antifa types. Their trials may bring out more of the planning that was involved. Peter

[Peter]

5 hours ago, ThatGuy said:

The tree of liberty isn't going to refresh itself...

Show me the money. In other words let's see some violent action on your part.  

[Peter]

3 hours ago, anthony said:

I've not seen this item get ANY exposure. Back in January, it is generally known to you guys, right? "Were not incited" - "part of a preplanned conspiracy".

Thanks, Tony. It may well have been preplanned in parts and the coming investigations, trials and plea bargains will bring the truth out.

[Peter]

I am a donor yet in no way a big donor but since the start of the second impeachment scam, I have been asked for donations by Sarah Huckabee Sanders, The Republican Party with Trump’s name all over the letter, U.S. Representative Elise Stefanik (NY-21), Rand Paul, Lindsay Graham, Senator Ted Cruz, “Senate Conservatives,” Josh Hawley, Governor Ron DeSantos, Representative Marjorie Taylor Greene, Bikers for Trump, etc., etc., etc.

If Donald J. Trump wants another chance to be a two term President, I WILL donate to him . . . And maybe Sarah and Rand.

DEEP State re-raveling could be a new thread. It will be interesting to watch and chronical President Biden and (not hope for) but expect, a loss of freedom, prosperity and safety in America. Should a Biden thread be started too? Peter

[tmj]

P

You say you know the Proud Boys are violence incarnate, how do you know that ?

What I know of the Proud Boys is that the group started as a drinking club centered on free speech protection and Western Chauvinism. Gavin McInnes a comedian and co founder of Vice Media started it in response to the leftist-fascistic infiltration of popular culture signaled by the rise in antifa and similar groups' activities.

Their 'violent' reputation was gained after some supporters were assaulted leaving an event and their reactions were caught on video. McInnes rented the Republican Club in NY city and performed a theatrical recreation of the assassination of a Japanese socialist by a Japanese nationalist on live tv in 1960. The 'local' antifa groups were alerted to the event and staged a protest , committed vandalism on the building and attacked the attendees. The only people I recall being charged were 'Proud Boys" caught on video fighting back and I don't think they were role playing . I think I remember something like 8-10 antifa types cornered 3-4 "Boys" doused them with piss filled water bottles and then got their asses kicked.

McInnes had to 'disband' and renounce the 'organization' in order to keep those charged out of lengthier sentencing in a legal maneuver something to do with conspiracies and such, I think.

Since then 'chapters' have been organized around the country , I really don't know much about the recent incarnations of the group(s) but it seems some of the most active ones focus on activities in the Pacific Northwest.

In a recent episode a group in DC or maybe NY , posted fliers and online about having a PB rally at a park at a specific time but it was a feint to highlight the violent nature of antifa. There was no rally at the appointed time but antifa took the bait and massed at the site and reportedly there were arrests in that the antifa thugs attacked those in the vicinity.

It looks like the Proud Boys are not exactly pacifists , but the idea that they are an armed militia organized on the principles of white supremacy is a media concoction. The 'leader' is in legal jeopardy for burning a BLM banner.

[ThatGuy]

10 hours ago, Peter said:

Show me the money. In other words let's see some violent action on your part.  

 Why? So you can clutch your pearls some more?  You probably think Kyle Rittenhouse is guilty, too.
Stay cowering in the basement, where you belong.

[Peter]

When was the President’s Capitol speech? January 6. When were the Capitol riots” January 6, JUST after the speech. My narrative has not changed. I saw and listened to the speech. I saw what happened on my TV in real time. And I certainly know that news is “filtered” so I keep an open mind. But “seein’s believin’.” I certainly remember what was said at that time on Objectivist Living from people I like and listen to.

Perhaps others flow with the epistemological wind and change with every new conspiracy theory but I do not. I am not a shameless hypocrite. I am waiting for the evidence. To me it is interesting that there has NOT been much info given from The Secret Service, the FBI, or the Capitol police. And much of the info given has been from the hateful and partisan Democratic Legislature and the leftist internet and TV pundits.

How long will it be before the rioters are thoroughly interrogated, tried, and convicted? Does anyone have a timeline? Peter